Flamethrowers
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Are flamethrowers still legal?
All sides used flamethrowers in WW2. Not only has it got destructive powers it is also a psychological weapon as most people have a primaeval fear of being burnt to death.
Since we have White Phosphrous (WP) grenades, I don't see why we shouldn't have flame throwers as both are equally cruel.
Should SAF have flamethrowers? -
The risks of having such weapon greatly outweigh its benefits. Let's take into consideration of its frequent usage in real action, the training risk it has, the short range throw plus bulky and heavy.
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I can only assume that the fear you're describing applies to the user as well? One bullet on the fuel tnak and the user bursts into flames mind you.Originally posted by Daniel-Lim:Are flamethrowers still legal?
All sides used flamethrowers in WW2. Not only has it got destructive powers it is also a psychological weapon as most people have a primaeval fear of being burnt to death.
Since we have White Phosphrous (WP) grenades, I don't see why we shouldn't have flame throwers as both are equally cruel.
Should SAF have flamethrowers? -
the us self-regulates its use - as in it doesnt use them now as it fears a public backlash at the inhumanity of the weapon [which also incurred particular wrath wherever they were used in previous conflicts]. no major treaties though.
yep, man portable flame throwers have woefully short range - they proved more effective when used from adapted vehicles [flame tanks] and other craft [monitors seen on the mekong delta in vietnam, clearing river banks].
stop watching - and even worse, believing - movies..flame thrower operators did not usually face a fiery death from the slightest spark or even from having their tank hit by a normal bullet as often depicted in modern war films.
otherwise any car rolling over or leaving the road will explode in a huge ball of fire, and grenades explode with the power of a small nuclear device...
The Gas Container [i.e. the pressurizer] is filled with a non-flammable gas that is under high pressure.
If this tank were ruptured, it might knock the operator forward as it was expended in the same way a pressurized aerosol can bursts outward when punctured.
The fuel mixture in the Fuel Containers is difficult to light which is why magnesium filled igniters are required when the weapon is fired.
Fire a bullet into a metal can filled with diesel or napalm and it will merely leak out the hole unless the round was an incendiary type that could possibly ignite the mixture inside.
This also applies to the flame thrower Fuel Container
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i seriuosly dun wanna be the guy that is equiped wit hthe flamethrower.. n i am sure my team mates wouldnt wanna be hanging around me real close ..
unless its a flame gun that shoots fireballs.~ he he -
It's true, the flamethrower guy is a bullet magnet.
Why, like someone said, enemy, see the flamethrower coming, they shxt their pants. If they fail to put him out of action, the next thing on their mind is to bug out.
Great for FIBUA, where its short range is not a problem. Why storm a building room by room. Just give them a sampling of the flamethrower and the rest of the enemy might even surrender.
Saved a lot of American lives when they fought the island-hopping campaigns against well-entrenched, bunkered abd fanatical Japs.
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I've always thought that scene in Windtalkers where the guy with the flamethrower was shot, ended up spontaneously combusting in a dark cloud of flames was bull. And scenes in movies where just one shot to a vehicle with a shotgun and it blows-up is ficition..hey, they make the show look good!
Just curious,perhaps having a dedicated flamethrower will attract him unneccessary attention and make him the most unpopular guy in the unit for being a bullet magnet, what if we use something small like a 5kg fire extinguisher sized unit instead? -
You played too much C&C liao.Originally posted by Daniel-Lim:Are flamethrowers still legal?
All sides used flamethrowers in WW2. Not only has it got destructive powers it is also a psychological weapon as most people have a primaeval fear of being burnt to death.
Since we have White Phosphrous (WP) grenades, I don't see why we shouldn't have flame throwers as both are equally cruel.
Should SAF have flamethrowers? -
I think why people now dun use flamethrower is bcos it is definitely considered to be obsolete. Traditionally, flamethrowers are used to assault hard target like bunkers, concrete pillboxes. In FIBUA, they are used to weed out or kill enemy forces hidden in areas where normal infantries can't reach or areas the enemies can hide from grenades or rounds. Now a days, to perform these task is a simple comms to the 84RR PS, and the target can be easily cleared with HE rounds.
If u use flamethrowers, the range is limited, and u got to inch slowly and carefully to the target. U may need a platoon size force to pin down the enemies from firing their MGs. Thus casualties are definitely high.
Wad I want SAF to get is the TOS-1 system from Russia. It is a short range 230mm MLRS which is thermobaric in nature. It is used successfully against the Chechen Rebels in Russia.
Wad interest me is that the flamethrower seems to be still in use in China. The 97 military exercise shows a flamethrower clearing a trench. They even seem to have vocations like flag carriers and trumpeter.........LOL -
well they have the people. and actually music and flags are very important in boosting morale... Imagine.. u are stuck in a trench bullets flying everywhere and they blow trumpets and ur flag is flying... wow. CHIONG AH!
Anyway i've seen how the PLA trains, its alot tougher than what singapore regular GIs are training. Singapore shd adopt one martial art as standard. Like the koreans have taekwondo -
windtalkers. lol, probably one of the worst war movies out there.Originally posted by SpecOps87:I've always thought that scene in Windtalkers where the guy with the flamethrower was shot, ended up spontaneously combusting in a dark cloud of flames was bull. And scenes in movies where just one shot to a vehicle with a shotgun and it blows-up is ficition..hey, they make the show look good!
Just curious,perhaps having a dedicated flamethrower will attract him unneccessary attention and make him the most unpopular guy in the unit for being a bullet magnet, what if we use something small like a 5kg fire extinguisher sized unit instead? -
As far as i know, we don't use WP grenades or any other WP weapons in the army anymore. Its considered as a chemical weapon and therefore banned after Singapore signed the agreement banning the use of chemical weapons. Please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks
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Backpack flamethrower not good nowadays.....Thermobaric weapons in forms of RR type,grenades for launcher(M203/AGL) n hand thrown,air dropped bomb,MRL,artillery n mortar shell,cluster bomblets,landmines
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Anyway there is this thread which says ST has managed to produce 40mm EBX rounds. Can this be considered Thermobaric?
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When was this? During my recruit time the instructors showed us one.Originally posted by tankee1981:As far as i know, we don't use WP grenades or any other WP weapons in the army anymore. Its considered as a chemical weapon and therefore banned after Singapore signed the agreement banning the use of chemical weapons. Please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks -
Cuz they dont want people to get blown up like thisOriginally posted by Daniel-Lim:Are flamethrowers still legal?
All sides used flamethrowers in WW2. Not only has it got destructive powers it is also a psychological weapon as most people have a primaeval fear of being burnt to death.
Since we have White Phosphrous (WP) grenades, I don't see why we shouldn't have flame throwers as both are equally cruel.
Should SAF have flamethrowers?
*Images from Saving Private Ryan. (Ps. the fella got shot, the bullet went right thru him and into the tanks on his back) -
Effects of thermobaric weapon
In a thermobaric weapon, the fuel consists of a monopropellant and energetic particles. The monopropellant detonates in a manner simular to TNT while the particles burn rapidly in the surrounding air later in time, resulting an intense fireball and high blast overpressure. The term "thermobaric" is derived from the effects of temperature,the Greek word "therme" means "heat",and pressure,the Greek word "baros" means "pressure",on the target. The ability of thermobaric weapons to provide massed heat and pressure effects at a single point in time cannot be reproduced by conventional weapons without massive collateral destruction.
Good against armour? Infantry? MOUT sounds good
The initial detonation reaction defines the systemÂ’s high pressure performance characteristics: armour penetrating ability.
The post detonation anaerobic reaction define the systemÂ’s intermediate pressure performance characteristics: Wall/Bunker Breaching Capability.
The post detonation aerobic reaction characteristics define the systemÂ’s personnel / material defeat capability: Impulse and Thermal Delivery.
Aerobic combustion requires mixing with sufficient air to combust excess
fuels. The shock wave pressures are less than 10 atmospheres. The majority of aerobic combustion energy is available as heat. Some low pressure shock wave enhancement can also be expected for personnel defeat. Personnel / material defeat with minimum collateral structure damage requires maximum aerobic enhancement
RPO-A ShmelRPO-A Shmel, the initial version was termed a capsule flame-thrower and relied upon its incendiary and blast capabilities for on-target effects. A later version combines the thermobaric warhead with a small hollow charge which penetrates light armour or structures to allow the main warhead to detonate inside a target, thereby considerably enhancing the projectile's destructive effects.
The effect of the RPO-A projectile is such, that when detonated inside a structure, its lethal and destructive effects will cover an area of 80 m3, claimed to be similar to an equivalent 122 mm artillery projectile. When utilised against personnel in the open the lethal area will cover 50 m2. Maximum range is 1,000 m but the sights are calibrated to only 600 m. Point blank range against a target 3 m high is 200 m. -
The agreement means nothing.. when the US and Brits are using them extensively in Iraq and Afghan... and by changing ingredients, they argue their use of naplam.. which is even more cruel.Originally posted by tankee1981:As far as i know, we don't use WP grenades or any other WP weapons in the army anymore. Its considered as a chemical weapon and therefore banned after Singapore signed the agreement banning the use of chemical weapons. Please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks -
United States Marines used flamethrowers in the Korean War and Vietnam.
Flamethrowers have not been part of the U.S. military arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally decided to end their use because of concerns that the public found them inhumane, though they are not specifically banned by any of the international treaties that the U.S. has signed. -
Imagine being cooked in a bunker alive... with naplam lol and your friends as side dishes
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*shiver*Originally posted by sand king:Imagine being cooked in a bunker alive... with naplam lol and your friends as side dishes 
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dude,that doesnt happen.The tanks are seperate and alone they arent flamableOriginally posted by sand king:Cuz they dont want people to get blown up like this
*Images from Saving Private Ryan. (Ps. the fella got shot, the bullet went right thru him and into the tanks on his back) -
dude, that was just a movie.Originally posted by |-|05|:dude,that doesnt happen.The tanks are seperate and alone they arent flamable
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either your bmt was before my time, or your instructors were bullshitting the recruits with dummy WP grenades because:Originally posted by moca:When was this? During my recruit time the instructors showed us one - made by CIS.
1. Unless your instructors were planning to expend the WP nades during nade range, he won't have his hands on 1
2. your instructors kapo 1 himself and used it for demonstration
3. he picked up a blind WP nade
4. WP nades can only be thrown at specific location(s) in singapore