BrahMos cruise missile/ Indonesia
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Specifications
Speed: Mach 2.5 -2.8
Type: Anti-Ship N Land Attack
Launch Weight: 3000 kg
Warhead: 300 kg Conventional semi-armour piercing
Range: 290 km
Propulsion Two Stage integrated rocket/ramjet concept:
1st stage Solid propellant rocket booster (installed in the combustion chamber of the sustainer) which accelerates the missile up to 2 mach
2nd stage After achieving 2 mach speed liquid propelled ram-jet accelerates it to max speed and sustain it during cruise phase.
Flight profile
Variable flight, optimal trajectory selected according to nature n chara of target.Sea-Skiming to avoid anti-missile def Brahmos remains at an alt of 10-15 from launch to impact. Range achieved is about 120kms.
BRAHMOS is a Supersonic Cruise Missile that can be launched from sub/ship/ aircraft(su-30) n land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers (MAL)
Features:
Supersonic Velocity
Long flight range
Varieties of flight trajectories
Fire n Forget
Universal for multiple platforms
Low Radar Signature
Simplicity of technical operations
40 km away from the target it descends to sea skimming alt. Supersonic speed in cruise phase will ensure ships will not be able to move much farther away from est position. As a result the missile will be able to start active radar search closer to target on a narrower sector of 40-45 degrees. Hence the targets ESM detection n countermeasure will have just 3.3 seconds to react.NEW DELHI, JULY 19:MoscowÂ’s decision to sell anti-ship cruise missiles to Indonesia without keeping Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace in the loop has left many red faces at DRDO, the equal Indian partner in the company.
Apart from looking at MoscowÂ’s proposed sale, as well as outside contractual bounds, DRDO is concerned that the sale would eat into the BrahMos missileÂ’s market and therefore affect profits even before the missile has made its first sale abroad.
[..] DRDO perceives Moscow’s move to sell Yakhont missiles -- the prototype on which the BrahMos was developed -- to be inexplicable, since the programme was specifically entered into to ‘‘deploy BrahMos missile system in the Indian and Russian armed forces and also to export to friendly countries.’’
Blue circle is Singapore
Green triangle is Malacca straits
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If use on us as a SSM, we are within range.
No worry. Uncle Sam will know wat to do. -
think i can hear the russian telling our defence minister...
RUS: ehh... we are selling 300km range missile to indonesia...
TCH: that is why we are here to buy your S-400... as you expected.
RUS: you are smart... so you knew why we sell those missile to indonesia cheap?
TCH: ehh.... you sold them cheap.. so that you can sell us your S-400 expensive to cover the low price for the indonesian missile?
RUS: of course... how else can we make you rich singaporeans buy our weapon?
TCH: thanks for the insight...
RUS: you are welcomed... now.. about the S-400
TCH: sorry.. not interested! i got turn off...already.
RUS: now now... TCH... dont be emotional... think about your country...
TCH: i am... i think i am gonna get some HIMARS, THAAD, Patriot, ASTER45 and maybe even the standard 3 missile.
RUS: what?!! why? you gonna do that just to spite us?
TCH: i wouldnt dare spite the great russians... but i dont want to be blackmailed either. -
HIMARS?
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U think Uncle Sam care a sh*t abt us? We are not Brunei or Kuwait...Originally posted by Manager433:If use on us as a SSM, we are within range. No worry. Uncle Sam will know wat to do. -
And Bingo was his Name-O!Originally posted by tripwire:think i can hear the russian telling our defence minister...
RUS: ehh... we are selling 300km range missile to indonesia...
TCH: that is why we are here to buy your S-400... as you expected.
RUS: you are smart... so you knew why we sell those missile to indonesia cheap?
TCH: ehh.... you sold them cheap.. so that you can sell us your S-400 expensive to cover the low price for the indonesian missile?
RUS: of course... how else can we make you rich singaporeans buy our weapon?
TCH: thanks for the insight...
RUS: you are welcomed... now.. about the S-400
TCH: sorry.. not interested! i got turn off...already.
RUS: now now... TCH... dont be emotional... think about your country...
TCH: i am... i think i am gonna get some HIMARS, THAAD, Patriot, ASTER45 and maybe even the standard 3 missile.
RUS: what?!! why? you gonna do that just to spite us?
TCH: i wouldnt dare spite the great russians... but i dont want to be blackmailed either.
Btw, HIMARS is not an air defense system. Its a high mobility rocket system. Like an MLRS... -
That you are wrong, they do... for their own benefitsOriginally posted by zenden9:U think Uncle Sam care a sh*t abt us? We are not Brunei or Kuwait...
Not only uncle sam, the japs, koreans and chineses will be concern about singapore. Why
1) Sphere of influences .. station a base in singapore will extend ur influence to the region. That why the sp gov let the US and the brit have a navy base in singapore or at least logistic personal
2) oil from middle east, pass through singapore almost everyday to ur NE asian 'friends'. Also what about the petrolum secondary products that come out of our refinaries that is suppling their manufacturing plants.
So controling the straits control 1/3 of the world oil and goods (if i get the global oil and shipping figures correct) -
i mean HIMAD...Originally posted by Shotgun:And Bingo was his Name-O!
Btw, HIMARS is not an air defense system. Its a high mobility rocket system. Like an MLRS... -
Sphere of influences?Originally posted by justcooler:That you are wrong, they do... for their own benefits
Not only uncle sam, the japs, koreans and chineses will be concern about singapore. Why
1) Sphere of influences .. station a base in singapore will extend ur influence to the region. That why the sp gov let the US and the brit have a navy base in singapore or at least logistic personal
2) oil from middle east, pass through singapore almost everyday to ur NE asian 'friends'. Also what about the petrolum secondary products that come out of our refinaries that is suppling their manufacturing plants.
So controling the straits control 1/3 of the world oil and goods (if i get the global oil and shipping figures correct)
Trying to get good term with Indonesia will be a better option if u really want to control Strait of Malacca. The whole stretch of Sumatra is facing Strait of Malacca.... We? Having a small tip only...
Our petroluem refinarines rank 3th only,doesn't account much. I don see a big deal losing us?
U think Uncle Sam think so highly of us? Having our support with us but Malaysia and Indonesia us useless in attempt to control strait of malacca! -
shouldn't see diplomacy as a zero-sum game...
its about having the maximum number of "friends" so that no one is left behind to stab u in the back later.
they do care about us... in the same way, they also care about malaysia, indonesia, brunei and any number of countries that cares to align itself with them.
esp. now, they can't afford to alienate anybody... -
I beg to differ. Currently, the SAF is the only force capable of controlling the strait of malacca.Originally posted by zenden9:Sphere of influences?
Trying to get good term with Indonesia will be a better option if u really want to control Strait of Malacca. The whole stretch of Sumatra is facing Strait of Malacca.... We? Having a small tip only...
Our petroluem refinarines rank 3th only,doesn't account much. I don see a big deal losing us?
U think Uncle Sam think so highly of us? Having our support with us but Malaysia and Indonesia us useless in attempt to control strait of malacca!
IMO, controlling Sea lanes is all about who is capable of seeing the furthest and clearest. The Malaysian Air Force and Navy are still lagging behind in Maritime Surveillance and Patrol assets.
Of course, one can say that the US has more than enuff to make up for the lack of maritime patrol and surveillance capabilities for these alternative countries. But that also uses up their own resources and assets in a place where they don't have to. Their P3s and AEWs are needed nearer to their "front."
Having a friendly Singapore, well equipped and trained in maritime patrol, allows US forces to safely transit this area, with minimal US efforts. Losing us, means their ownly reliable and safe transit areas are further south. -
Not only the Straits of Malacca..the safe passage into the South China Sea depends on our naval and air sphere of operations and surveillance.
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Wah a bit optimistic right? Straits of Malacca? I thought it would be more like like Straits of Singapore. Trying taking a Star Cruise to Penang and you will know what I mean!Originally posted by Shotgun:I beg to differ. Currently, the SAF is the only force capable of controlling the strait of malacca.
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I agree with shotgun on his point
RSN may not be able to fully control the strait, but i believe the RSN can neutralise forces that wanted to control it.
Ya, try asking the US to be friend our north and south neighbours, get shit all over their face.
We are sitting on a very strategic location in Asia, and if we fall to
movements in this region, the stability of the region will also be 
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Aiya. now peace time mar... Wait for the harpoon missiles to start flying. =DOriginally posted by touchstone_2000:Wah a bit optimistic right? Straits of Malacca? I thought it would be more like like Straits of Singapore. Trying taking a Star Cruise to Penang and you will know what I mean!
Remember, we are the only Submarine force in the region now (next closest submarine proficient navy is the RAN), with one of the quietest submarines, operating in damn noisy waters.
You put all the assets we have together. Stealth frigates, submarines, Missile corvettes, AEW, maritime surveillance radars & Satellites, we actually are capable of keeping watching for quite a large area. An area large enough for US ships to transit safely, at least until the Spratlys. -
If a few ships r sunk in Straits of Malacca narrow part then it will be unpassable based on a report in ST.....N this missile can be launched air sea(submarine/ships) n land,it flys mach 2.8 at cruise speed,only need to lock on target n it will be in fire-forget mode. It have 3 times the speed of harpoon n outfly most other missiles.
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Perhaps they feel that their current abilities were neutralised by our Aster 15 systems, and the rumoured upgrade to Aster 30 naval ABM.
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Read carefully... the active radar only goes active 40km of WHERE IT THINKS ITS TARGET is. Without mid course updates, the missile could hit ANYTHING that appears in its cone @ 40km. That makes it vulnerable to decoys and all sorts of ECMs.
Also, to shoot from such long (touted 300km) distance, WHAT is going to do the initial targetting in the first place?
This missile is a threat... to merchant shipping that won't have any idea whats going to hit them. -
Yakhont (missile Brahmos based on)
Employs stealth technology, has supersonic flight speed and a completely independent guidance system based on the fire-and-forget concept. The missile is 8.9 meters (29.1 feet) in length. It can be launched from ships, aircraft, submarines, or even ground mobile launchers and is fired from a unified encapsulated ampoule - shaped transporter - launching container. Flight speed is at Mach 2.0+, using a kerosene liquid-fuel ramjet, with a terminal run at Mach 2.5.
Range is at 300 km in a hi-lo profile or at 120 km at altitudes of 5-15 metres, in a lo-lo profile. A regular mid-course phase of the flight occurs at 15 km. If and when launched from submarines, the vessel must be fitted with 650mm torpedo tubes. An operational missile designed for hitting complex sea-based and in-shore targets, a vessel armed with the Yakhount can carry out combat operations against warships or even against carrier battle groups.
Yakhont's navigation system uses an inertial guidance system based on the present target location data. At a pre-calculated flight point (around 25 - 80 km), a brief turn-on of the homing scanner occurs, resulting in exact determination of target location. After that, the homing system turns on only when the Yakhont leaves the radio horizon and drops its altitude to 5 - 15 metres, i.e. a few seconds before hitting the target. It carries a 250 kg (553 lbs.) warhead.
The missile's designers assume, that the enemy would detect the launch of the missile at the distance of 300 km and take measures to destroy it. However, being resistant to jamming, having the flight velocity of 750 m/s and making complex maneuvers during flight, the Yakhont ASCM shall anyway reach the target. It is not the high speed or jamming protection that makes Yakhont an advanced weapon system. It's major advantage is the guidance system which has accumulated all experience everywhere in developing electronic systems of AI (Artificial Intelligence) enabling to fight against single warships (one missile - one ship) or even against a group of warships (a flock against a group).
It is salvo launching that shows all unsurpassed tactical capabilities of the Russian weapon. The missiles allocate and range targets by their importance and choose the attack implementation plan. The independent control system keeps in memory not only of the ECM (Electronic Countermeasures) and ECCM (Electronic Counter-Countermeasures) data, but also the methods of evading the fire of the enemy's air defense systems such as the US' Phalanx CIWS (Close-In Weapon System). Having destroyed the main target in a carrier group, the missiles left attack other ships of the carrier group, eliminating the possibility of using two missiles on one target. -
and brahmos is supposed to be a later generation of the yakhont.
is there anything comparable from the US or the Euro?
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Brahmos is an improved Yakhont .....Currently not more than 3 anti ship missiles can cruise at mach 2.5 or more....Top speed now i think is mach 3.....All r russian none from the West.... 3430km/h,mach 2.8 can cover 290km in about 5.07mins......At final stage targets have 3.3 seconds to react n keep in mindOriginally posted by ferryman2393:and brahmos is supposed to be a later generation of the yakhont.
is there anything comparable from the US or the Euro?
i don't think so....The independent control system keeps in memory not only of the ECM (Electronic Countermeasures) and ECCM (Electronic Counter-Countermeasures) data, but also the methods of evading the fire of the enemy's air defense systems such as the US' Phalanx CIWS (Close-In Weapon System).
N this is already in Yakhont n may have been improved in Brahmos. It's said that Brahmos can perform both active n passive homing modes. Passive modes like anti-radiation or home-on-jam.The seeker uses a hybrid form of pulse compression, in which bursts of short pulses are phase-coded so that they can be compressed; the bursts can also be Furier-transformed to discriminate chaff clouds. This particular pulse compression technique was adopted to hold down peak power,so making ESM detection difficult. The missile can also scan a number of targets in the area to identify the one it is supposed to hit. This capability is normally obtained through screen matching criteria, but Brahmos employs special algorithm that classifies targets based on their radar cross section as contained in the pre launch data.
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I doubt the authencity of this report. Not unless you show me something more credible than this;say a confirmation from the Indonesian military, this is one of Papabear`s wild excursions into lala-land.
And exactly from which plat-form will they be launched? Ships? F-16s? 2-3 Sukhois?
It is not for nothing that Western powers have shleved plans to build super-sonic missles. They`re unreliable in a cluttered environment; no matter how much spin the Russians put into it. An attack on maritime shipping in the Straits of Malacca is an attack on world trade; including China. Amen to whoever the aggressor is. Great thinking on Papabear`s part. -
Take a look:Originally posted by Arthas79:I doubt the authencity of this report. Not unless you show me something more credible than this;say a confirmation from the Indonesian military, this is one of Papabear`s wild excursions into lala-land.
And exactly from which plat-form will they be launched? Ships? F-16s? 2-3 Sukhois?
It is not for nothing that Western powers have shleved plans to build super-sonic missles. They`re unreliable in a cluttered environment; no matter how much spin the Russians put into it. An attack on maritime shipping in the Straits of Malacca is an attack on world trade; including China. Amen to whoever the aggressor is. Great thinking on Papabear`s part.
http://www.defenceindia.com/21-nov-2k5/news20.htmlLighter than naval and ground BrahMos missiles, the plan is to fit them on the Indian Air Force's Sukhoi-30 series of fighter aircraft. "The combination of BrahMos and Sukhois in the deep strike aircraft role will be deadly," he said.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060719/48/660mp.html
The initial plan is to fit one missile under the Sukhoi's belly. If the wings can be strengthened, two more can be fitted on the flanks. The air variant is likely to be lighter as the designers plan to reduce the size of the booster and replace the nose thrusters with a small configuration at the tip of the nose.
A battery of 16 BrahMos missiles has been fitted on an Indian naval ship, probably the one that was used to test the missiles 10 times and the submarine variant has been readied for use aboard the Russian Amur submarines.
http://www.brahmos.com/missile_tech.html
http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/04/stories/2004110405661100.htm
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov11/n11.asp
http://news.indiainfo.com/2004/02/05/0502brahmos.html
We expressed interest in Brahmos as well.......So r we buying them in Russia
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Was`nt that the essence my point? Indian source? Indian papers all emanating from what source? Are you sure it`s not based on speculation? It`s not even on the Brahmos web-site. You`d think it`d be something to declare about if they`ve got a foriegn buyer? And obviously they would have a lot of good things to say about the Brahmos since it is dedicated to the Brahmos in the first place.
Sukhois? Just about how many working Sukhois the Indons have at the moment? With spares and proper weapons to boot? This is funny.
Interest does`nt warrant purchase. I know some countries take `interest' to extremes. Too bad. At least, it gives them something to talk about in forums. -
Originally posted by Arthas79:
Indian source Indian papers.....Then wat u want to see? Indons signing for their missiles when delivered? Who said Indons fitting it to their Sukhoi? Saw wat happen when the Aussie say they think of buying long range strike weapons?
Was`nt that the essence my point? Indian source? Indian papers all emanating from what source? Are you sure it`s not based on speculation? It`s not even on the Brahmos web-site. You`d think it`d be something to declare about if they`ve got a foriegn buyer? And obviously they would have a lot of good things to say about the Brahmos since it is dedicated to the Brahmos in the first place.
Sukhois? Just about how many working Sukhois the Indons have at the moment? With spares and proper weapons to boot? This is funny.
Interest does`nt warrant purchase. I know some countries take `interest' to extremes. Too bad. At least, it gives them something to talk about in forums.