russian connection?
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MOSCOW: Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean has met his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov in Moscow.
exactly what weapon is singapore looking at from russia? S-300??
This is the first official visit to the Russian capital by a Singapore Defence Minister.
The two ministers discussed areas of co-operation and shared views on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.
Singapore has also invited Russian defence specialists to visit the Republic.
Mr Teo was given a warm welcome in Moscow.
Firstly, by the Guard of Honour at Victory Park and soon after, by the Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov.
The two Ministers seemed satisfied with their talks, which went on for over an hour and focused on issues of military exchanges and training, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, nuclear non-proliferation and regional security.
Mr Ivanov said: "Despite the long distance between Russia and Singapore, we share a similar position on the main foreign policy issues. Both our countries face threats such as terrorism, religious extremism, and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction."
On his part, Minister Teo noted that trade and cultural relations between Russia and Singapore are becoming increasingly strong.
He added that the two sides agreed to start discussions on defence policy areas.
In response to a query on possible arms purchases, Mr Teo said: "We did discuss this issue. I spoke with the Minister as well as the head of Mil-tech agency in Russia and invited them to send their experts to Singapore so that we can understand better the full capability that the Russian defence industry has, and also, the possible export, and the defence industry can better understand the equipment priorities of Singapore."
Currently, Russia does not have a well-established military relationship with Singapore.
Even though no official agreements were signed, experts say Mr Teo's visit is significant as it lays a very important groundwork for developing future cooperation between the two countries.
Mr Teo said: "Russia is a major country in the world. It will be useful for us to understand Russia's world view, how Russia sees Asia, how Russia sees Southeast Asia and also, it will be useful for us to put our views across to Russia. In this way, there are more opportunities for us to work together to contribute to a safe and secure world which we can pursue for the development and progress of the people."
The Defence Minister's first official visit to Russia will not only be limited to Moscow.
Before returning to Singapore, Mr Teo will also get to enjoy the beauty of St Petersburg, also known as the Russian cultural capital. - CNA/ir/ls
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9K58 Smerch MLRS?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Read about it before, quite crude-looking, but why don they get Stinger instead
[b]IGLA Missile System
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Many other countries have bought it or copied it and mass produced it with/without licence. Examples of countries using this family of SAMs includes Malaysia, China,Originally posted by Texcoco II:Read about it before, quite crude-looking, but why don they get Stinger instead
Pakistan just to name a few. Some have even made derivatives of it on their own. I think this is a good indication of the effectiveness of this system.
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This might be a good idea! I am hoping they will be interested in other Russian military products and technology to produce the S-300/S-400, Club missiles and supersonic cruise missiles such as the Brahmos.Originally posted by sgf:
9K58 Smerch MLRS?
Its a common misconception that Russian weapons are inferior to their Western counterparts such as higher cost of upkeep in the long term.
This may not be true for all aspects. One advantage is that the Russians may have more to offer us as compared to the West. They are more willing to sell high technology systems which the West are reluctant to sell or will slap many restrictions on their usage (remember the AIM-120C missiles?). Secondly Russian arms are known for their lower cost and ruggedness in adverse conditions. So if the pros outweigh the cons and it suits our needs then we shouldn't restrict ourselves from considering Russian military systems. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
By the way, did SAF deploy the Iglas in MANPADS role as in the picture shown above? This is because i have only seen the Iglas on the M113s so far. Thanks.
[b]IGLA Missile System
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I'm anticipating further news of the S-300 or S-400
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maybe good to bring in munitions with FAE/thermobaric capability.
Russian technology known to be matured in this area, such as the
Kornet/Saxhorn ATGMs (probably used in recent Israel/Lebanon conflict
by Hezbollah) which have thermobaric warhead tandem to standard
shaped sharge. The SPIKE missile family (currently in SAF inventory) is
not known to have such a powerful combined munition effect in the payload.
Besides ATGMs, the later versions of RPG also come with thermobaric
warheads (lessons learned in Afghanistan)
Also less known is the under-barrel grenade launcher (think it's GP-5).
The calibre is 40 mm. This can fire a particular 'bounding' grenade to
achieve greater lethality against exposed personnel (something like
a 'Bouncing Betty' mine). No such capability exists with Western 40 mm
grenade technology. The Russian 40 mm family includes thermobaric
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Stinger comes with special requirements on storage and audit trail. Part of the deal with the US Congress if Stingers were to sold.Originally posted by Texcoco II:Read about it before, quite crude-looking, but why don they get Stinger instead -
too controlled for the SAF.
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Because it's almost equal to the task and a lot cheaper?Originally posted by Texcoco II:Read about it before, quite crude-looking, but why don they get Stinger instead
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how about...we get their combat rations.
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what kind of rations are u talking about?Originally posted by Hellraiza:how about...we get their combat rations. -
what i meant was i would like to try out their field rationsOriginally posted by beavan:what kind of rations are u talking about? -
Plus it is combat proven with number of kills, and eventhough ProbK is much lower than the Mistral that we have, it is also alot cheaper and we are licensed producing them.Originally posted by CX:Because it's almost equal to the task and a lot cheaper?
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Good thing about Russian arms is that there's little or no restrictions. Just an e.g. but say RSAF wanted to buy 200 F-15. Its a big question mark if the US would agree. But if RSAF wanted to buy 200 Sukhois, the Russians I'm sure will be more than happy to sell it 'cos they'll earn a fortune.
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Borsch anyone?Originally posted by Hellraiza:what i meant was i would like to try out their field rations -
I was hoping that Singapore buy "Werewolf" gunships...
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would we need such a capability?Originally posted by fkh:I was hoping that Singapore buy "Werewolf" gunships... -
No need chim MLRS this is good enough. TOS-1. 200mm Thermobaric, short range rockets. No need to let the foor soldiers chiong up the hill and clear the fortifications. This weapon has seen action in Chechen battles by the Russians, quite effective.
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We just bought quite a number of Apaches not long ago so its very unlikely.Originally posted by fkh:I was hoping that Singapore buy "Werewolf" gunships... -
Iglas are reputed to be good. They are credited with downings of many Western aircraft in the recent Gulf wars. They may not be as good as Stingers. but they cost hell of a lot less. They may be crude - but they work - just like AK47s or 74s. Just fire two Iglas instead of one Stinger - you still get a downed enemy plane or heli at a lower cost - also makes the bean counters happy.
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Hmmm.. the manpads igla is still very impt. The M113 cant get up on to building rooftops as yet. In built up areas, u need to get ur AA high so that u have maximum line of sight/fire.Originally posted by tankee1981:By the way, did SAF deploy the Iglas in MANPADS role as in the picture shown above? This is because i have only seen the Iglas on the M113s so far. Thanks.
Imagine orchard road... the M113 Igla is not going to be very helpful there. But getting someone on top of the Mandarin is. -
Russian Tanks anione?
