Is a coup ever morally right
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In my eyes, a coup can never be morally right in the sense that its the military taking over a democratically elected government. However, the recent Thai coup has been a very different experience. From the looks of it, it seems to be a military stepping in to resolve a longstanding politcal crisis with little benefit to themselves personally. Therefore, under what conditions, if ever so, would a coup ever be considered morally right?
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Well, how about if the German military staged a coup against Hilter's government and made peace in WWII? Wouldn't that be morally right?? Remember Hitler was democratically elected.
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what if an elected government just changed the constitution to however they liked?
what if the government made it practically impossible or extremely hard for there to be a democracy?
what if the government introduced laws and manipulated the system such that there is no real democracy?
would it be reason enough to overthrow the government by military coup and then reintroduce democracy? -
Wonder what happen to the thai politics.
How come there is a crisis? Thaksin won the election legally with high votes. Much supported by most thai especially the poor. Other than some business issues and poor handling of thai south situation, he has done very well for thailand. If not wrong, only just a small group of so-called middle class and the King bey-song him that's all. The middle class is it because cannot gain much benefit all these years so bey-song? As for the king, a review seems like saying the king felt that Thaksin did not respect him so he kinda support the coup? If true then the king kinda...emmm....How come they not intersted in the bigger picture? Can another PM do a better job with thai south? But Thaksin made a big mistake to choose a muslim general. What a serious mistake. Hope thaksin and the king will patch up and throw that general into jail and sentence him life imprisonment
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However the Thai coup is suitable for another T, Taiwan
. Seems like the people power can't do much other than making noise. very negative demo of democracy. This is a rotton state if not of the solid electronic sector and some nice song and hot babes from the entertainment industry. 
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how can there ever be a "right" or "wrong" in politics........
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It goes to something deeper then that.Something that the common rural folk dont really see or care about until too late.Way way to late.Originally posted by audiovideo:Wonder what happen to the thai politics.
How come there is a crisis? Thaksin won the election legally with high votes. Much supported by most thai especially the poor. Other than some business issues and poor handling of thai south situation, he has done very well for thailand. If not wrong, only just a small group of so-called middle class and the King bey-song him that's all. The middle class is it because cannot gain much benefit all these years so bey-song? As for the king, a review seems like saying the king felt that Thaksin did not respect him so he kinda support the coup? If true then the king kinda...emmm....How come they not intersted in the bigger picture? Can another PM do a better job with thai south? But Thaksin made a big mistake to choose a muslim general. What a serious mistake. Hope thaksin and the king will patch up and throw that general into jail and sentence him life imprisonment .
However the Thai coup is suitable for another T, Taiwan . Seems like the people power can't do much other than making noise. very negative demo of democracy. This is a rotton state if not of the solid electronic sector and some nice song and hot babes from the entertainment industry.
Thaksin had in the eyes of the other MP's and politicians and MOST of the middle class had bend the law for his own and his family benifit.
He has also used his power as PM to silence his own critics by blocking,suing,banning reports,articles and other forms of news that show him in bad light. He has shut down TV stations and companies for that reason.
Also He did not make a big mistake choosing a muslim general. Heck this has nothing to do with the fact that the general is muslim. He selected that general to his position in order to get his friends and loyalist into certain powerful positions in the military. Namely commander of 1st Infantry Div which is responsible for the Bangkok area and 1 other general into position i cant really recall right now.
However the military was always warning him and infact all politicians to sort this out fast. However when Thaksin gave a list of promotions that elevated 1 of this friends into a position for the army group in charge of the Bangkok province and a few others into key positions, the military saw this as an interference and a blocking of the only check on the civilian government and thus we get this.
Is a coup ever morally right? yes why? Because sometimes those in power might not be good for the country. As for democracy, some countries and people actually CHOOSE not to have it though along the way they might change their minds and not be able to do a thing but that's beside the point. -
this militery coup itself does not go with the ideas of democracy. remember that most of the nation did vote thaksin to retain his authority in thailand in the first place. even if its rural votes, its still a vote nevertheless.
i feel is that the militery used the urban folks as excuse to oust thaksin, for their own personal reasons, and the king as a tool to gain support.
for thaksin to be out, it should be the legitmate opinions of everyone in the country, rural or urban. but the bottomline is, its not morally right. its just plain logical. -
the coup will degrade the democracy of the country. it gives the notion that a coup is somewhat acceptable in politics. what happens is, next time, if people are buay song with the government, a military coup will definitely be in the cards.
in regards to right or wrong, whoever wins will be right!
the not too long ago philippine military coup failed, you failed, you are in the wrong loh! you win, then you are right!
this is politics, wherever the wind blows, will be the right direction. -
maybe those people who pass flower or food to the soldiers are wayang only, i.e. paid by the military. aiya lao ya gimmic lah.
If those who really think thaksin has done wrong, why can't they go ahead to sue him? maybe our press never report much about him that's why we don't know..... but again if he has really done that many bad things then as the PM of thailand our press should have reported enough just like that useless ah bian, at least suspect this and that... but not much, virtually not hear of.. other than our famous take over. When the thai were interviewed, those who are against him, keep saying the politic situation in thailand is stalemate, bad, heading nowhere... but hey, what about economy? are people starving? opposition gana lock up without reason? ban this and that?? Unheard of. At the end of the interview... still can't figure out what's wrong. Shuting down irresponsbile papers and stations are common. Which country especially aisa or third world country don't do that?
But there is one thing for sure, the thai king must have felt that thaksin is not giving him the respect and probably he felt threaten that by the way thaksin goes, sooner or later the king has no say in thailand besides attending parties . Of course this muslim general who is close to the king would like to help the king out. Perhaps thaksin should have slow down with the reform and pacify the king a little before implementing more change. But is all too late. A few good man is not easy to come by ... another one wasted. -
See the thing is the military wants to try to remain outside of politics however they still see themselves as the upholders of democracy.Originally posted by Ito_^:this militery coup itself does not go with the ideas of democracy. remember that most of the nation did vote thaksin to retain his authority in thailand in the first place. even if its rural votes, its still a vote nevertheless.
i feel is that the militery used the urban folks as excuse to oust thaksin, for their own personal reasons, and the king as a tool to gain support.
for thaksin to be out, it should be the legitmate opinions of everyone in the country, rural or urban. but the bottomline is, its not morally right. its just plain logical.
What Thaksin was doing is replacing the army with people who support him or are loyal to him.
Thus rendering the army a crony of Thaksin not the people.
Maybe they see themselve heading towards something like Indonasia.Where the Army is run by ppl loyal to the President and possibly being able to suppress democracy.
So they stepped in to prevent that. -
you're saying they are denying democracy for democracy?Originally posted by |-|05|:See the thing is the military wants to try to remain outside of politics however they still see themselves as the upholders of democracy.
What Thaksin was doing is replacing the army with people who support him or are loyal to him.
Thus rendering the army a crony of Thaksin not the people.
Maybe they see themselve heading towards something like Indonasia.Where the Army is run by ppl loyal to the President and possibly being able to suppress democracy.
So they stepped in to prevent that.
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that's the problem with thailand.
the military don't want to be controlled by the government & people.
What the heck, who gave them money to buy arms and pay them salaries?
If you are the PM and tasked to run thailand but have no control over the army which could easily send their tanks in to remove you.... hey mr PM, do you want someone you trust to be the chief of staff?
Today the army chief could be a sane guy or still loyal to the king, what if and who knows the next one could be saddam? If the army is in charge in this way, my money is not on thailand... but once in a while turkish bath over there is ok ... -
much the same way doctors treat certain viruses with another virus.Originally posted by Ito_^:you're saying they are denying democracy for democracy? 
It's all about what's best.....after all what's right is not always what's best.
That's what i think hah