Iranian modded F5
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Now thats interesting! Any links?
Yeah, F-4s. They still have a couple of those operational. I suspect that current estimates of "American" aircraft in their inventory serviceable is lower than the actual. There has been a lot of rumored Russian assistance in this area. There were even rumors of their F-14s capable of firing Hawk SAMs. -
This rumor has been around for ages. And only recently firmed up by reports on alert5.com
I just read thru the website, scroll down enough and you'd see alert5's links to some Iranian news agency's video of Iranian Tomcats carrying Hawk SAMs. They claimed to have test fired it recently as well in their recent war games. -
I think theoretically its feasible to fire SAMs as AAMs but the technical aspect of this will be very interesting.
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lol! use our iglas on F-16s when we run out of python4s and sidewinders?
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Ya i heard tat 2
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Exactly. I saw the photo and thought I was looking at a YF-17. The 17's concept started out as an F5 with twin rudders and enlarged wing root extensions.Originally posted by |-|05|:The F-18 is designed frm the YF17 which in turn was designed as a light weight aircraft(compete againest the F16).
Welcome to 1974.
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Apparently, the YF-17 was a superior aircraft to the YF-16 at that point.
Some interesting things i dug up while I was on this topic. Iran was supposed to have recieved their land based variant of F-18s as well, however, the Shah of Iran was overthrown before that could happen. -
The YF17 was cheaper to build and since it had 2 engines was more powerful.Originally posted by Shotgun:Sad to say, the YF-17 was never much of a competition against the quicker and more agile YF-16. Only the follow up development of the F-20 Tigershark was able to match General Dynamic's F-16 in terms of manueverability and perhaps maybe cost.
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Paiseh, i made some sweeping statements in my prev post. The YF-17 against the YF-16 was superior in many ways.Originally posted by |-|05|:The YF17 was cheaper to build and since it had 2 engines was more powerful.
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haha the YF-16 was lighter and more agile though.Originally posted by Shotgun:Paiseh, i made some sweeping statements in my prev post. The YF-17 against the YF-16 was superior in many ways. -
The earlier prototype models were quite close in performance comparisons, and most people thought the YF-17 was superior. However, the AF chose the F-16 as the winner of the light weight fighter competition, and continued to press for overseas sales to reduce the price, until it was about $8mil USD a piece. The only fighter that could compete at that price was the then "F-5G" programme that was killed by the F-16. Yes, F-16A/Bs were that cheap.
It was only after the competition were knocked out, that the F-16 prices increased (C models). The cheaper mass produced F-16A/B (Bargain price F-16s) were so inferior that they were scrapped or sold with barely a decade of service. -
Northrop propose the F-18L which is never in production.....Originally posted by Shotgun:Apparently, the YF-17 was a superior aircraft to the YF-16 at that point.
Some interesting things i dug up while I was on this topic. Iran was supposed to have recieved their land based variant of F-18s as well, however, the Shah of Iran was overthrown before that could happen. -
frm wikipediaOriginally posted by Gedanken:Exactly. I saw the photo and thought I was looking at a YF-17. The 17's concept started out as an F5 with twin rudders and enlarged wing root extensions.
Welcome to 1974.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YF-17_Cobra
The Northrop YF-17 Cobra was a prototype lightweight day fighter aircraft designed for the U.S. Air Force's Light Weight Fighter (LWF) technology evaluation program. It was the culmination of a long line of Northrop designs, beginning with the N-102 Fang in 1956, continuing through the F-5 series -
Originally posted by Shotgun:Apparently, the YF-17 was a superior aircraft to the YF-16 at that point.
Some interesting things i dug up while I was on this topic. Iran was supposed to have recieved their land based variant of F-18s as well, however, the Shah of Iran was overthrown before that could happen.
http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/yf17/index.html
The YF-17 became the first USAF aircraft to break the sound barrier in level flight without using afterburners. While the YF-17 outperformed the YF-16 in many areas, the YF-16 used a proven engine, it had longer range, and was less expensive. As a result, the YF-16 won the contest, and went on to be produced in large numbers as the Fighting Falcon -
before that the US gov disapprove the sale of F-16A/B and proposed the F-16/79 where it uses the F-4 J79 engines......Originally posted by Shotgun:The earlier prototype models were quite close in performance comparisons, and most people thought the YF-17 was superior. However, the AF chose the F-16 as the winner of the light weight fighter competition, and continued to press for overseas sales to reduce the price, until it was about $8mil USD a piece. The only fighter that could compete at that price was the then "F-5G" programme that was killed by the F-16. Yes, F-16A/Bs were that cheap.
It was only after the competition were knocked out, that the F-16 prices increased (C models). The cheaper mass produced F-16A/B (Bargain price F-16s) were so inferior that they were scrapped or sold with barely a decade of service.
F-5G (F-20) in a way superior than F-16 except payload and range. -
http://www.iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.htmlOriginally posted by tankee1981:I think theoretically its feasible to fire SAMs as AAMs but the technical aspect of this will be very interesting.
http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-squadron-iiaf.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce.htm
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Eh... How can an aircraft with 2 engines be cheaper than an aircraft with 1 engine? The engine costs alone will make it more expensive, no?Originally posted by |-|05|:The YF17 was cheaper to build and since it had 2 engines was more powerful.
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Heh yea my mistake,i got the engines mixed up.Originally posted by insouciant:Eh... How can an aircraft with 2 engines be cheaper than an aircraft with 1 engine? The engine costs alone will make it more expensive, no?
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the F-16 was around $250,000 cheaper to produce then the YF-17.The YF-17 had 6 mths before having to do their fly off while the YF-16 had 10months.The YF-16 was cheaper to maintain, had longer range and better manoeuvrability.But a really huge selling point was that it shared the same engine as the F-15 which was the aircraft the USAF really wanted and it was felt that it would help secure more F-15 sales.
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i already quote the reason above with linkOriginally posted by |-|05|:the F-16 was around $250,000 cheaper to produce then the YF-17.The YF-17 had 6 mths before having to do their fly off while the YF-16 had 10months.The YF-16 was cheaper to maintain, had longer range and better manoeuvrability.But a really huge selling point was that it shared the same engine as the F-15 which was the aircraft the USAF really wanted and it was felt that it would help secure more F-15 sales.
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Yeah, the F18L. with lighter landing gear and arrestor hooks. more interneal fuel because no folding wings.Originally posted by Shotgun:Apparently, the YF-17 was a superior aircraft to the YF-16 at that point.
Some interesting things i dug up while I was on this topic. Iran was supposed to have recieved their land based variant of F-18s as well, however, the Shah of Iran was overthrown before that could happen. -
and have as many payload(pylons) as the super honet.....Originally posted by spencer99:Yeah, the F18L. with lighter landing gear and arrestor hooks. more interneal fuel because no folding wings. -
That is likely, bcos Northrop built the original YF-17 and F-5. The F-18 was a modified YF-17 by Mcdonnell Douglas.Originally posted by duotiga83:i read somewhere thatt he design of F/A-18 is based on F-5.....wtih some modifications -
The F-16 used a 23 500Ib thrust engine while the new F-18 (then) used 2 17 900Ib. All these dug up from yr 1980.Originally posted by insouciant:Eh... How can an aircraft with 2 engines be cheaper than an aircraft with 1 engine? The engine costs alone will make it more expensive, no? -
Erhhh... we were discussing cost not thrust.Originally posted by SBS3625D:The F-16 used a 23 500Ib thrust engine while the new F-18 (then) used 2 17 900Ib. All these dug up from yr 1980.