Iranian modded F5
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A double-finned F5!
The reports say the remodeled plane, called the Thunderbolt (Saequeh, in Persian) was redesigned and upgraded using only Iranian expertise and equipment. The jet carries a locally built missile with the same name.
Iran's army chief, Ataollah Salehi, is quoted as saying the new fighter carried out a mock bombing mission Wednesday, in northwestern Iran. He added that Iran received no outside help for the project.
http://www.payvand.com/news/06/sep/1068.html
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Does it mention anything about its combat capability?
Does it fire AA-12s now? =/
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precisely, somemore nvr say if its a new frame or old frame.Originally posted by Shotgun:Does it mention anything about its combat capability?
Does it fire AA-12s now? =/
Kinda bo liao if they "zhng" into a twin rudder config just to carry out bombing missions....
Iran on Wednesday said it has developed a new warplane named "Thunder," which it described as similar to the American F-18 fighter jet.
The fighter jet is "similar to the F-18 fighter jet, but it is more capable and has been manufactured domestically," the commander of the Iranian army General Attollah Salehi was quoted as saying by the state news agency IRNA.
Iranian state television reported that the jet "is able to fire rockets and also to drop bombs and is equipped with an advanced radar system.
"The fighter jet Saegheh (Thunder), after successful military operations and accurately firing air-to-surface rockets in the Zolfaghar Blow maneuvers, came into the service of the Iranian air force today," the report said.
The air force, army and navy have been showing off their capabilities and new hardware for the last month in the Zolfaghar Blow war games, which come amid mounting international concern over Tehran's nuclear programme.
The report added "the plane, which has flown dozens of experimental flights during the last year, joined the air force with full fighting capacity."
Salehi told IRNA the jet was "designed, remodeled, optimized and made more capable by our engineers," and added that "no country has aided us in its production."
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I think the only thing similar is the engine intake and the twin fins.. nothing else..
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Iranians also developed and built their own bullpup assault rifle.
Dog ugly, though...
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note it doesnt have any guns......
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I love how the Iranians condemn all things American and yet, most of their weopons are of American origin.
They claim it's new built and no outside help. But come'on, the used the forward fuselage of an F5, doesn't that qualify it for remanufactured (and not new build) and doesn't using American technology (the American's were the ones that initially design the F5 after all) as outside help.
Despite their claims of it being superior to the F18 (and not like I am a fan of the F1
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The fighter jet is "similar to the F-18 fighter jet, but it is more capable and has been manufactured domestically," the commander of the Iranian army General Attollah Salehi was quoted as saying by the state news agency IRNA
I think its commendable for Iran to produce a domestic aircraft (although it is clearly modified from the original US design) despite the decades of sanctions. But to say that it is superior to that of the F-18 is a bit off...after all, the F-5 is a light fighter so the Iranian version is just an upgraded light fighter, therefore cannot be comparable to the F-18 which clearly have a heavier payload.
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i read somewhere thatt he design of F/A-18 is based on F-5.....wtih some modificationsOriginally posted by tankee1981:I think its commendable for Iran to produce a domestic aircraft (although it is clearly modified from the original US design) despite the decades of sanctions. But to say that it is superior to that of the F-18 is a bit off...aftyer all the F-5 is a light fighter so the Iranian version is just an upgraded light fighter, therefore cannot be comparable to the F-18 which clearly have a heavier payload. -
looks crap
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I beg to differ...i did see a barrel-like protrusion on the port side of the nose cone on the Thunderbolt...Originally posted by duotiga83:note it doesnt have any guns...... -
much more clearer picturesOriginally posted by tankee1981:I beg to differ...i did see a barrel-like protrusion on the port side of the nose cone on the Thunderbolt... 
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It almost seems to be 2 different aircraft. One with guns and one without.
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its meant to be shot downOriginally posted by duotiga83:note it doesnt have any guns...... -
The F-18 is designed frm the YF17 which in turn was designed as a light weight aircraft(compete againest the F16).
The original F-18 was kinda crap. Maybe they were comparing to this version of the F-18.
Looks like the simple added another tail fin and moved the 1st 1 to the side.I mean come on!!And what's under the hood? american engine?
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Its known as Iran's New Bomber, the 'Saegeh'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEifbmGkQU&mode=related&search= -
Hmm.... how would it compare against our own upgraded F-5S/Ts?
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Our F-5S/Ts are rated to be the best F-5 platforms in the world.
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Turkey yes but not Brazil.....Brazil is by Elberit and Embrear if i not wrongOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Our F-5S/Ts are rated to be the best F-5 platforms in the world.
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I read somewhere that STA did the technical integration while Elbit and Embraear provided the avionics and airframe mods.Originally posted by duotiga83:Turkey yes but not Brazil.....Brazil is by Elberit and Embrear if i not wrong
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Brazilian Government Gives the Go-Ahead for F-5BR; Embraer is the Prime Contractor and IntegratorOriginally posted by LazerLordz:I read somewhere that STA did the technical integration while Elbit and Embraear provided the avionics and airframe mods.
(Source : Embraer ; issued Jan. 5, 2001)
SAO JOSE DOS CAMPOS, Brazil---On late December 30th, the Brazilian Federal Senate approved and gave the contract go-ahead for the Brazilian Air Force (BAF) F-5BR Program. This program, valued at US$ 285 million, foresees a massive modernization for the BAF's 50 F-5E/F aircraft, including a totally new avionic suite, navigation/weapons aiming/self-defense system, computer system, multi-mode radar, BAF's standard armament qualification and structural upgrade. The program was jointly developed by Embraer and Elbit, the Israeli high-tech company specialized in developing avionics systems for the defense market.
The Embraer-Elbit solution was chosen in view of:
**It is a modern and updated design, incorporating latest generation technology, that makes the F-5BR as advanced as all the new 4th generation fighters;
**It provides the best cost/operational quality ratio;
**besides its low acquisition and operational costs, it features the best technical characteristics for the BAF's requirements;
**The F-5BR avionics/navigation/weapons aiming/self-defense solution is based on a full commonality with the ALX and AMX-T Programs (also for the Brazilian Air Force);
**this program will be accomplished within short schedules, competitively and budgetary adequate prices for BAF.
The F-5BR solution is by far the most adequate and modern upgrade program for F-5E/F. It includes the latest technology available with the expertise of both companies in developing the right solution for the operational and budgetary scenarios of the Brazilian Air Force.
All F-5E/F aircraft will be upgraded to ensure the F-5BR's required operational life of over 15 years.
Fourth-Generation Technology:
The all-glass cabin provides low pilot workload and was designed to the day/night, all-weather environments found in all operational theaters. The cockpit features a Hands-On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) device, two high-performance computers and an Integrated INS/GPS navigation system.
Three colored MFDs (Multi-Function Displays) and HUD (Head-Up Display) lead a state-of-the-art man-machine interface.
All F-5BR systems and lighting were designed for night missions. A VHS-C video set records any pertinent flight data and audio for ground or in-flight reproduction.
The 4th generation technology will allow also the F-5BR to include HMD (Helmet- Mounted Display), Data-link, Mission Planning System, AACMI (Autonomous Air Combat Simulation and Maneuvering Evaluation Instrumentation) and flight virtual training capabilities.
A state-of-the-art multimode radar for Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground, and Air-to-Sea ranging, searching, tracking, track-while-scan and air combat will be fitted to the F-5BR providing more accuracy, efficacy and self-defense conditions. It allows the rapid and effective deployment of the F-5BR.
Performance
The aircraft maintains the same combat-proven operational characteristics of the F-5E/F already in operation with air force in Brazil, but dramatically improved and enhanced through the new systems included in the Embraer-Elbit F-5BR solution.
Weapons System
The aircraft will carry a number of conventional and/or smart weapons used by the new-generation fighters, compatible with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, laser-guided bombs, cruise missiles etc. and sensors for all-weather, day/night missions.
The F-5BR will be compatibilized with the BAF´s standard weapons, already in inventory, such as the MAA-1 short range air-to air missile, as well as bombs and pods.
Self-Defense Systems
Combat-proven Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) instrumentation plus a Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) are available. Low radar and infra-red signature guarantees a low aircraft detection susceptibility.
Logistics
The on-condition maintenance programs are based on last-generation equipment and components. A BIT Function Equipment provides a fault-localization and diagnostic system that helps speed repair works guaranteeing a flight reliability rate.
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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=4067&session=dae.22742898.1157778445.RQJMDcOa9dUAAHbSiD8&modele=jdc_1 -
more on F-5BR
F-5BR (F-5M) Tiger II
The new F-5FM - Photo: ALIDEThe F-5EM/FM (E for single seater, F for twin-seater) is the modernizated version of the F-5 Tiger II to the Brazilian Air Force (FAB). The project F-5BR, as this program was called, upgrade the F-5 Tiger II to operate for more 15 years, until the Brazilian Air Force make the decision of the new main fighter (called F-X program) to replace the AMX, F-5 and the Mirage 2000 in 2020.
This Program, valued at US$ 285 million, foresees a massive modernization for the BAF´s 55 F-5E/F aircraft, including a totally new avionic suite, navigation/weapons aiming/self-defense system, computer system, multi-mode radar, BAF´s standard armament qualification and structural upgrade. The program was jointly developed by Embraer and Elbit, the Israeli high-tech company specialized in developing avionics systems for the defense market.
It is a modern and updated design, incorporating latest generation technology, that makes the F-5BR as advanced as all the new 4th generation fighters (like Rafale, Eurogihter, Gripen, Su-35); It provides the best cost/operational quality ratio; Besides its low acquisition and operational costs, it features the best technical characteristics for the BAF´s requirements; The F-5BR avionics/navigation/weapons aiming/self-defense solution is based on a full commonality with the ALX and AMX-T Programs (also for the Brazilian Air Force); This program will be accomplished within short schedules, competitively and budgetary adequate prices for BAF. The F-5BR Program highlights The F-5BR solution is by far the most adequate and modern upgrade program for F?5E/F. It includes the latest technology available with the expertise of both companies in developing the right solution for the operational and budgetary scenarios of the Brazilian Air Force. All F-5E/F aircraft will be upgraded to ensure the F-5BR´s required operational life of over 15 years. 4h Generation Technology - The all-glass cabin provides low pilot workload and was designed to the day/night, all-weather environments found in all operational theaters. The cockpit features a Hands-On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) device, two high-performance computers and an Integrated INS/GPS navigation system. Three colored MFD´s (Multi-Function Displays) and HUD (Head-Up Display) lead a state-of-the-art man-machine interface. All F-5BR systems and lighting were designed for night missions. A VHS-C video set records any pertinent flight data and audio for ground or in-flight reproduction. The 4th generation technology will allow also the F-5BR to include HMD (Helmet- Mounted Display), Data-link, Mission Planning System, AACMI (Autonomous Air Combat Simulation and Maneuvering Evaluation Instrumentation) and flight virtual training capabilities. A state-of-the-art multimode radar for Air-to-Air, Air-to-Ground, and Air-to-Sea ranging, searching, tracking, track-while-scan and air combat will be fitted to the F?5BR providing more accuracy, efficacy and self-defense conditions. It allows the rapid and effective deployment of the F-5BR. Performance - The aircraft maintains the same combat-proven operational characteristics of the F-5E/F already in operation with air force in Brazil, but dramatically improved and enhanced through the new systems included in the Embraer-Elbit F-5BR solution. Weapons System - The aircraft will carry a number of conventional and/or smart weapons used by the new-generation fighters, compatible with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, laser-guided bombs, cruise missiles etc. and sensors for all-weather, day/night missions. The F-5BR will be compatibilized with the BAF´s standard weapons, already in inventory, such as the MAA-1 short range air-to air missile, as well as bombs and pods. Self-Defense Systems - Combat-proven Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) instrumentation plus a Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) are available. Low radar and infra-red signature guarantees a low aircraft detection susceptibility. Logistics - The on-condition maintenance programs are based on last-generation equipment and components. A BIT Function Equipment provides a fault-localization and diagnostic system that helps speed repair works guaranteeing a flight reliability rate.
http://www.patricksaviation.com/wiki/F-5BR_(F-5M)_Tiger_II -
In the video you can see that their F4's are flying well...Originally posted by Manager433:Its known as Iran's New Bomber, the 'Saegeh'.
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F4?!Originally posted by Pitot:In the video you can see that their F4's are flying well... -
Yeah, F-4s. They still have a couple of those operational. I suspect that current estimates of "American" aircraft in their inventory serviceable is lower than the actual. There has been a lot of rumored Russian assistance in this area. There were even rumors of their F-14s capable of firing Hawk SAMs.