It's not funny, says Mindef
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yaOriginally posted by fudgester:Nice shooting there, Shotgun.
Yeah, I have to agree that the main issue here would be one of lack of discipline and not lack of security awareness. As distasteful as some of the videos are, I see no classified information being divulged or anything. Sure, I'd take some of these soldiers to task - especially the one who shot blanks directly at his friend. That's a clear breach of safety procedures - but not of military security procedures.
And I agree that there's quite a bit of sensationalism in the article - no full-blooded NSF or NSman would certainly call that shooting clip to be taking place 'in camp' and call an M16S1 rifle a 'machine gun'.
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ah darn it.. i think without these people making these videos... youtube wont be fun to surf alrdy.. i mean... its because of these people that make us laugh what... so... come on la.. it just a video ma.. wont they allow a bit of slack...
they didnt even leak out any secrets of the SAF what.. and why are they so overreacting? its like... you sneeze into your handkerchief then people ard you start to run away and say.. KNNCCB !!! SARS SARS!!!
it kinda.. lame ... hahah i must say/... -
ha.. that reporter ought to be shot man... LONG LIVE THE FELLA WHO MADE THE VIDEO!!! hahha...
to hell with the reporter... making SG a Fking boring place... _|_ -
That's another story altogether.Originally posted by larrenV2.003:Wat if someone sabo u behind your back change your cartridges from blanks to life round & when u carry on with your jester acts....u know wat happens?
U might end up like Bruce Lee's Son a.k.a Brandon Lee shot with life rounds in the act...
I find those videos harmless and all we could do is to laugh about it. Since there's no injuries involved, and everything's been taken care of by those 'casts', there's nothing wrong viewing such videos as 'leisure comedies'.
One question, are you stressed out?
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My point is how are u going to guarantee that this gun has no life rounds...Originally posted by -[0]-:That's another story altogether.
I find those videos harmless and all we could do is to laugh about it. Since there's no injuries involved, and everything's been taken care of by those 'casts', there's nothing wrong viewing such videos as 'leisure comedies'.
One question, are you stressed out?
And your point is?? 
aiyah i shall not waste my time to those who have yet to serve NS.
Hope to see u in another remake of that and hope that u wun be the next Brandon Lee part 2 being gunned down...
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I've ORDed so to say. I shall not waste my time on serious people like you.Originally posted by larrenV2.003:My point is how are u going to guarantee that this gun has no life rounds... aiyah i shall not waste my time to those who have yet to serve NS.
Hope to see u in another remake of that and hope that u wun be the next Brandon Lee part 2 being gunned down... -
The point is extremely clear. The training safety regulations clearly state that you should NEVER point your weapon at others and squeeze the trigger. If I had been their commander, I'd have given them a severe bollocking and let them mull over their mistake in camp over the weekend.Originally posted by -[0]-:That's another story altogether.
I find those videos harmless and all we could do is to laugh about it. Since there's no injuries involved, and everything's been taken care of by those 'casts', there's nothing wrong viewing such videos as 'leisure comedies'.
One question, are you stressed out?
And your point is??
You should always assume the worst-case scenario when it comes to weapons handling. You should always assume that the weapon's loaded, and it's loaded with live rounds. It's precisely for that reason that when you're passing your weapon to someone else, you should check clear your weapon first - and the person who receives it should check clear a second time just to make sure.
And even blanks are not as harmless as you may think. Fired at close range, they can cause burns to whoever's at the receiving end. I know, because I've seen people getting injured because of this.
Seriously speaking... have you gone through NS yet? Otherwise, surely you'd know about all this. -
ah well, this is what they term as 3G army
ignoring other more pressing issues like efficiency while wayanging on 'security breaches' due to harmless videos taken in camp
ok, the firing of blanks issue was valid, but still. -
some of u might think these videos are harmless and just for laughs. but there is always a fine line for everything. one must be able to differentiate what is right and what is wrong and where to stop in order not to cross that fine line.
i'm fine with people showcasing their creativity and humor but at least do it in a tasteful way. some of those SAF related fan-made video i saw are humorous and in my opinion harmless but the firing of blanks one unfortunately is not. firing a rifle be it live rounds or blanks should be taken seriously, it's a not a laughing matter. -
Those ppl in the blank firing video shld have had the brains to camo their face or hide their faces with helmet or something.
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I knew of the rules. And I've pointed my rifle at my mate during BMT before. But the gun wasn't loaded at all. Nope. I've not been caught. So, what have you got to say now that I've RODed?Originally posted by fudgester:The point is extremely clear. The training safety regulations clearly state that you should NEVER point your weapon at others and squeeze the trigger. If I had been their commander, I'd have given them a severe bollocking and let them mull over their mistake in camp over the weekend.
You should always assume the worst-case scenario when it comes to weapons handling. You should always assume that the weapon's loaded, and it's loaded with live rounds. It's precisely for that reason that when you're passing your weapon to someone else, you should check clear your weapon first - and the person who receives it should check clear a second time just to make sure.
And even blanks are not as harmless as you may think. Fired at close range, they can cause burns to whoever's at the receiving end. I know, because I've seen people getting injured because of this.
Seriously speaking... have you gone through NS yet? Otherwise, surely you'd know about all this. -
nowadays army boys something wrong with their heads ah?
seems like they forgot the line "do anything you want, just don't get caught"
go and post in youtube, how kam gong is that? -
Youtube isn't a good choice. Google video is better.Originally posted by kopiosatu:nowadays army boys something wrong with their heads ah?
seems like they forgot the line "do anything you want, just don't get caught"
go and post in youtube, how kam gong is that? -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34NkMfKAGxo
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That I hope that what goes around, comes around.Originally posted by -[0]-:I knew of the rules. And I've pointed my rifle at my mate during BMT before. But the gun wasn't loaded at all. Nope. I've not been caught. So, what have you got to say now that I've RODed?
If you sorely lack even the intellect to understand the gravity of firing blank-loaded rifles at each other, then I think you will understand the concept of karma bites, one day.
I wonder what the heck you have absorbed in that 2 years inside. -
Give the senior management and scholars 1 week along the Litani River front, they will regret wasting their time.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Have seen videos of US Military personnel and Brits being silly...like coastal hook exercise but end up falling and getting trapped in waist high mud. And they laugh bout it. I mean if MINDEF wants a role model, standard military, do they actually know what is a standard or they just follow what is done by other military? Have seen comical pictures of Israeli military as well...no big deal. If they want to have a standard, make sure it is uniform throughout without and dual standards and yes it is a security breach, but did they leak out top secret information or filmed/photographed equipment which is so hush-hush that we are still in denial about it? If no, then I would see that a letter or warning should be sufficient.
Besides, if they consider this as spoiling the SAF's image, then what about the video of some US trooper throwing flashbangs to scare those in the Bradley IFV? Doesn't make sense does it?And seriously, there are more important issues that should be improved and debated on, they choose not to, but pick on this petty issue to issue a public statement.This shows the senior management within has got too much free time on their hands doesn't it? -
I've already learned the meaning of looking back at the foolishness of the younger days of my life and learn to take critical actions whenever i do things. So have you...Originally posted by -[0]-:I've ORDed so to say. I shall not waste my time on serious people like you. -
Then all I've got to say is that either your instructors were negligent in not teaching you properly, or all those safety lessons which were taught to you never quite struck a note with you.Originally posted by -[0]-:I knew of the rules. And I've pointed my rifle at my mate during BMT before. But the gun wasn't loaded at all. Nope. I've not been caught. So, what have you got to say now that I've RODed?
I don't know about you, but basic safety is something not to be taken lightly at all. Just because your instructors didn't catch you doesn't make what you did correct. I can still remember how my BMT platoon got lots and lots of PT when some people were caught for playing around with their M16s and playfully pointing them at each other. Even those who didn't do so were punished for not doing anything to stop their nonsense.
We have lost people due to breaches of safety, and we will continue to lose people so long as safety isn't being taken seriously. Many more will get injured.
As a medic spec I've seen for myself exactly what things can happen when safety rules are ignored or taken lightly. The guy who doesn't put on his helmet during trench digging gets a knock on the head by his careless buddy. The guy who doesn't drink enough water gets heat exhaustion. They were all victims of not taking basic safety seriously, and I'm the bugger who has to save their lives.
I realise I can't change your cavalier attitude towards basic safety no matter what I say here. All I can say is that you may laugh and take it as entertainment now, but if and when things do go wrong, you may not be laughing as loudly as before - if ever.
That's my last word to you. Good luck in whatever you're doing - with your cavalier attitude towards safety, you're really going to need it. -
How about this video? About Kosovo peacekeepers.....
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On yeah, I've seen that one about the Norwegian peackeepers in Kosovo. That sparked a minor diplomatic row between Serbia and Norway. The Serbian government summoned the Norwegian ambassador and demanded an apology, if memory serves me right.Originally posted by Manager433:How about this video? About Kosovo peacekeepers.....
That was some pretty good satire though, I admit. -
aiyo, i wonder why the reporter would wanna make a mountain out of a mole hill by splashing it on the headline?? we've seen it, we've watched it, we laughed at it and move on. no big deal lah. by splashing onto the headline would inccur more view hits leh, so the reporter should bear the brunt as much as the video creator isn't it?
and of course when mindef was asked to make a public statement of the clips, you wouldn't expect them to say things like "we're fine with the videos as long as no one is hurt in the process" isn't it?
end of the day, wanna do, dun get caught, get caught liao, dun complain. if never kenna caught, also doesn't mean mindef not aware and dun wanna catch. they just see case by case. -
Ok the shooting of the m16 at another guy is a problem.
However the rest......i dun see anything wrong with it. I mean seriously...it cld be recruits night or CO night or some other party that the army guys go to in camp to unwind and relax after trainings.So i dont see a point why it's such news!! -
if they wanna have some fun, fine, but they've gone overboard by uploading the video(s) online for the rest of the population to watch. eventually, people will come to the conclusion that ns is a joke.
then again, it could possibly ease anxiety in some prospective ns-men who are faced with imminent boredom. -
It'll be a mnatter of time when SG bans all camera phone. Like how they banned chewing gum before..he he...~
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It is possible for MINDEF to sign a contract with a major phone manufacturer to develop a new series of phones strictly without cameras for use by the military. Recently released models such as the Sony ericsson M600i are 3G without the camera and many within the army are users of the phone.
However, it does not stamp out the discipline issue as already stated by many. Some punitive action should be taken against such violators and DB should not be ruled out, even for graduates with a place reserved in the Uni.
Those photographed shooting at each other obviously do not know the implications, neither were they educated about the NSF who died after a loaded GPMG round shot him in the chest at OCS Company line after the weapon was supposed to have been 'cleared' at the live firing area.