It's not funny, says Mindef
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I dun think so .. got so serious meh?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Those chaps are probably reading this in KDB now...dunno how long is the sentence..
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It is wrong only because it cultivates bad habit (like putting your fingers on trigger) and the danger at close distance.Originally posted by tripwire:the bottom line is... its wrong to point your rifle at your buddy... blanks has been known to cause injuries including blindness at close distance..
I never watched the video. Were the guys very close together? Not likely .. 'cos the guy retaliates with a parang and rushes to his assailant. -
No choice la. Nsf's are still young adults. Still wanna play around.
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It is bad publicity for SAF after all.Originally posted by mhcampboy:No choice la. Nsf's are still young adults. Still wanna play around.
I think those guys are engaging in a relatively harmless act. -
Seriously speaking, those videos are VERY entertaining in my opinion. What's the fuss about making a comedy out of it? I laughed whenever I watched these videos because they help me relieve stress and relax after long day of assignments and studying.
If such things are not permitted, or if such freedom of expression are not allowed. Then everyone is going to be so dead serious about things. What does one means by "It's not Funny"? C'mon, I can't stop laughing when jokes about army life are made up. Mocking or not, as long as I had a good laugh, that's all about it. Some Singaporeans REALLY got NO sense of humour. -
Mr Borwn has first-hand knowledge.Originally posted by -[0]-:Some Singaporeans REALLY got NO sense of humour. -
Originally posted by Dogtor:Mr Borwn has first-hand knowledge.
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That's because he wrote it in his blog or somewhere.Originally posted by Dogtor:Mr Borwn has first-hand knowledge.
In fact, we all knew about it long time ago. -
The Straits Times made a near clean sweep of the awards, including Story of the Year, on the emergence of presidential candidate Andrew Kuan, and Feature of the Year, on the plight of the poor in Singapore. It also took awards in design and photography.
The Young Journalist of the Year prize went to Sunday Times reporter Jeremy Au Yong.
With such a article, plus the tammy issue, it is no surprise that this reporter won the award.
I totally agreed that firing a blank at your friend is dangerous.
But, as stated as MINDEF, the people involved are already punished.
So, to quote the great leader of Singapore:
"Let's Move On"
Give this boys a break.
No point digging up the issue. -
Yeah.. let's move on and be dead SERIOUS... No smiles. No laughter. No joke manz...Originally posted by Medicated Oil:The Straits Times made a near clean sweep of the awards, including Story of the Year, on the emergence of presidential candidate Andrew Kuan, and Feature of the Year, on the plight of the poor in Singapore. It also took awards in design and photography.
The Young Journalist of the Year prize went to Sunday Times reporter Jeremy Au Yong.
With such a article, plus the tammy issue, it is no surprise that this reporter won the award.
I totally agreed that firing a blank at your friend is dangerous.
But, as stated as MINDEF, the people involved are already punished.
So, to quote the great leader of Singapore:
"Let's Move On"
Give this boys a break.
No point digging up the issue. -
The boys should be punished for "aggressive" film-making.
The creativity and humour was within the video clip.
So, they should used their mind on other area.
Maybe their punishment should be to make a video clip for the NDP. -
no wonder sg is boring
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where can i see that video???Originally posted by Gordonator:i like the one of the signallers doing the axe clan dance on the rooftop to the music of kung fu hustle.
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The term agressive can be defined in many ways.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:The boys should be punished for "aggressive" film-making.
The creativity and humour was within the video clip.
So, they should used their mind on other area.
Maybe their punishment should be to make a video clip for the NDP.
How agressive is agressive. Did they do it out of anger or resentment towards the RSAF? Or do they do it out of boredom? This, we do not know.
I feel that if Singapore were to place so much restriction on such acts, there must be evidence that these boys' intentions were not against the government.
I would agree that calling the government names ought to be punished. But creating internet humour out of the things we do or face in our daily lives is entertaining, especially to many stressed out people in the streets.
Okay... let's face it then. In reality, we have serious ARTS and super lame humour in Singapore TV channels... No wonder Singapore is SO boring. -
The journalist IMO, was trying to sensationalise the article. Adding words that give the wrong impression to readers is as good as editing photographs to make the situation worse than it actually is.Originally posted by tankee1981:There are quite a few mistakes which the author of this article have made.
To clarify:
1. No training area with dirt paths and vegetation can possibly be in camp. So technically speaking, the camera phone is not IN camp.
2. The M-16 is a rifle. Not a machine-gun. A rifle just doesn't sound as serious or dangerous as a machine gun does it? By terming it a "Machine-gun" clip, is IMO, sensationalising the article.
Also, some clips found on youtube at some times, were made with expressed permission by unit superiors. I honestly find the way the journalist tried to make the situation more serious than it actually is, distasteful. By the way, 44 clips generated by the search at youtube, also includes videos made by mindef itseful, videos that were taken at change of guard ceremonies at Istana, or just personal videos of some friends in the army. Its NOT AS SERIOUS AS IT SOUNDS!
Major security breach? No. Stop evading the issue that the real problem is the lack of discipline in the soldiers today. I have yet to see a home-made video by NSFs or NSman that gives away any classified information, or doctrine in SAF operations, hence there is no security breach. What I see is blatant disregard for regulations in place, which is a disciplinary problem rather than a security issue.
Security breach sounds more cool than disciplinary issues doesn't it?
I agree with mindef. It's not funny. So address the issue, which is the lack of discipline and disregard for regulations rather than Security breach.
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confirmed at tekong
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The journalist needs to perform some reality checks on himself. He is doing a disservice to many aspects of the media landscape.
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no wonder sg is boringOriginally posted by CHoCo^LaTcH:no wonder sg is boring
this cannot , that cannot . ok i think they want us to laugh at the clowns from yong yuan bu bai and the current stupid clowns competition -
Nice shooting there, Shotgun.
Yeah, I have to agree that the main issue here would be one of lack of discipline and not lack of security awareness. As distasteful as some of the videos are, I see no classified information being divulged or anything. Sure, I'd take some of these soldiers to task - especially the one who shot blanks directly at his friend. That's a clear breach of safety procedures - but not of military security procedures.
And I agree that there's quite a bit of sensationalism in the article - no full-blooded NSF or NSman would certainly call that shooting clip to be taking place 'in camp' and call an M16S1 rifle a 'machine gun'. -
The reporter may be a "foreign talent" in Singapore and never hold a rifle or serve to protect Singapore.
His task is to create public outcry for the general public and to make a name for himself on the expense of other people.
If he is so interested in stiring crap, he should join the team for the evening people for JUICY stuff. -
Dun accredit me, i'm sure everybody feels that the root issue here is not a security breach. A security breach is something more on the line of divulging classified information, or a penetration of camps security as well.
Some of the less tasteful videos shown here, have in fact, done GOOD in showing the Singapore public that some of our soldiers are not a disciplined lot. My apologies to the SAF for having their public image shattered.
Slight deviation: I find it sad that one of our local short movies, "Zo Peng" was turned up in the youtube search, "Singapore", "ARmy," the author suggested. Zo Peng was a very nicely done short film that should not be mislabeled or misunderstood as a Security breach. -
Wat if someone sabo u behind your back change your cartridges from blanks to life round & when u carry on with your jester acts....u know wat happens?Originally posted by -[0]-:Seriously speaking, those videos are VERY entertaining in my opinion. What's the fuss about making a comedy out of it? I laughed whenever I watched these videos because they help me relieve stress and relax after long day of assignments and studying.
If such things are not permitted, or if such freedom of expression are not allowed. Then everyone is going to be so dead serious about things. What does one means by "It's not Funny"? C'mon, I can't stop laughing when jokes about army life are made up. Mocking or not, as long as I had a good laugh, that's all about it. Some Singaporeans REALLY got NO sense of humour.
U might end up like Bruce Lee's Son a.k.a Brandon Lee shot with life rounds in the act... -
Th ephoto of the rifle thingy appears quite serious and clearly wrong in terms of our safety protocols - but I admit I did not see this video.
The other video of a parody of teh NDP was a good-natured way of laughing at ourselves and looks akin to some of the skits I see at the last night of field training.
Except of course this skit is now shared with everyone in the world. -
And to put it circumspectly, it is nothing compared to what prank videos the US Army is involved in.
I wonder..has that PJ actually served in NS to know what the heck is in-camp training and that a CIS made M16S1 is an assault rifle, not a machine-gun.
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Have seen videos of US Military personnel and Brits being silly...like coastal hook exercise but end up falling and getting trapped in waist high mud. And they laugh bout it. I mean if MINDEF wants a role model, standard military, do they actually know what is a standard or they just follow what is done by other military? Have seen comical pictures of Israeli military as well...no big deal. If they want to have a standard, make sure it is uniform throughout without and dual standards and yes it is a security breach, but did they leak out top secret information or filmed/photographed equipment which is so hush-hush that we are still in denial about it? If no, then I would see that a letter or warning should be sufficient.
Besides, if they consider this as spoiling the SAF's image, then what about the video of some US trooper throwing flashbangs to scare those in the Bradley IFV? Doesn't make sense does it?And seriously, there are more important issues that should be improved and debated on, they choose not to, but pick on this petty issue to issue a public statement.This shows the senior management within has got too much free time on their hands doesn't it?