SG Secret weapon?
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I went to online version of the Star, not much difference from AFP version.Originally posted by tankee1981:I saw this in Cari forums. There is this article in the Malaysian press namely in NST(New Straits Times) and STAR newspapers, claiming that Singapore is developing a short range SSM (600km) and an "enhanced" version of the MLRS. Anyone have seen this article? If this is credible then it will be great news!
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/9/asia/15086218&sec=asia
So where the hell are the short range SSM (600km) and an "enhanced" version of the MLRS???? -
SS21Originally posted by Shotgun:I've heard some discussion about these super weapons b4... From what I understand, they are still labelled conventional weapons... with a very broad definition of "conventional." Its usage and application would be unconventional.
Not that I believe it anyways. I still believe our silver bullets are 3 whole squadrons of VF-1Js and VF-1S. -
Maybe it was a misprint - I can see a 60 KM MLRS system, but for 600 - it is a little too far fetched. If a rocket would travel 600km, it would be considered a tactical ballistic missile rather than a mere Surface to Surface missile - which usually have the a more restricted 100 to 300 KM range and have cruise missiles like flight profile.Originally posted by gary1910:I went to online version of the Star, not much difference from AFP version.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/9/asia/15086218&sec=asia
So where the hell are the short range SSM (600km) and an "enhanced" version of the MLRS???? -
Originally posted by ferryman2393:
its not "U.S.". its "us" as in "if somebody could not sell to us..."
notwithstanding all the childish suggestions received so far, its highly possible that some form of rocket propelled conventional weaponry is being developed. hence the mention of SSM and MLRS.Originally posted by Lazerlordz:
If you check the article posted by Lazerlordz, you will have realise that it is typed as 'U.S.' and not 'us'.
”We are too small to be self-sufficient,” Quek says. “So we look at the market. If nobody else could sell U.S. what we want, we don’t have a choice but do local development
However, i acknowledge that it is highly possible that this is a typo error in the article from Agence France-Presse. -
The part about the short range SSM and the MLRS is what i have seen from the forum in cari.com. At that point of time i haven't personally seen the article yet, which is why i ask for the article itself in my opening post. I don't understand exactly what they were discussing in malay but they were discussing about this, therefore i presume these are mentioned in the article itself.Originally posted by gary1910:I went to online version of the Star, not much difference from AFP version.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/8/9/asia/15086218&sec=asia
So where the hell are the short range SSM (600km) and an "enhanced" version of the MLRS???? -
We retired our megazord and sent it into storage liao. 5 pilots to man one of them was madness... and a lot of our megazord trained pilots kept getting poached over to japan to film more of those power ranger movies. No choice but to send to storage lor.Originally posted by SBS9828X:
Maintenance was a huge problem as well... The parts wear n tear so fast, and the engines need so much maintenance and keep generating black smoke. Miss one 1000hr servicing only the manufacturer cry father mother... and so expensive somemore. Throw away better lar... keep in storage also need $$ on facilities and storage procedures.
I heard rumors we are re-organising our fighting force to be more lean n mean. Ordered like 600 tele-tubby combat suits + 4 power puff girl instructors to train our guys in Urban combat. -
LOL< now got new Megazord crap liao ar ...Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Ah it only takes a few posts on speculative weapon developments to start mentioning the Gundams...
I love the Gundam running joke that has been around since I got here in 03...
i thought after the Gundam Sh*T is always the VF-1F crap ??? -
Silver bullets and black diamonds
2.
Electronic Warfare (EW)
* Fiercely guarded by all countries, EW is critical for the protection of soldiers and the effective conduct of modern warfare.
* MINDEF has invested in EW since the setting-up of DSO 30 years ago.
* Today, DSO has developed invisible electronic shields around our platforms and combat systems, protecting them from missile threats.
* Our sensors, communications and weapons systems are also made more robust to overcome the electronic shield of opposing forces.
Cyberspace security
* In an increasingly networked environment, DSO ensures Singapore's critical defence systems remain robust and secure.
* Such security capability is useful for MINDEF, as well as the protection of other critical national IT infrastructures.
A scientist in DSO's Biosafety Lab conducting a forensic analysis on environmental samples suspected to contain Anthrax
Chem-bio defence
* During the Anthrax scare following Sep 11, DSO conducted verification checks and forensic investigations on samples.
* Some samples came from as far as Bangladesh.
* Chemical and biological defence capabilities were originally built up in response to concerns over the use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. This build-up was accelerated after the 1995 Sarin gas attack in Tokyo.
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go go power ranger, mighty morphing power ranger!!!
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Guys..the 600km SSM crap was posted by a malaysian forumnite in CARI Forums, who claimed he heard it from a friend in Malaysian Intelligence.
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no comments. as i said, u'll never noe wat DSTA and STE has been doing until wartime comes.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
ah.... and we all know how "intelligient" they are...
[b]Guys..the 600km SSM crap was posted by a malaysian forumnite in CARI Forums, who claimed he heard it from a friend in Malaysian Intelligence.
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IIRC there was a post on DSO/DSTA partnership on making on tube launched rockets to be laser guided?
Perhaps that is one of secrets what he was talking about?
Note the US Army is finding GMLRS very useful. Now waiting for Excalibur (GPS guideded 155mm) to be deployed -
of the above mentioned silver bullets on 10 August 2006, here are old stuff for
1.Electronic Warfare (EW) .
EW---from a cat to a lion
Is it stealthy--Radar Compact Range
New World-Class ANTENNA TEST Facility in NUS
Cyberspace security
Cyber-threat Monitoring Centre
Life&Death of quantum cryptography
Quantum computing-----front line of defense
Miss Cryptographer,crack it.
Chem-bio defence
VX & Sarin gas---Spore ability in Bio Chem protection
20yrs Biochem defence breakthrough
mixed topics
Our Arsenal---So many world's 'First' ?
Strengths of our defence capability
Chartered Semi-conductor's chips to kill
how we make our top secret chips
Without them,we'll surrender
SAF new toys in AA
Future Sg Frigate & Corvette
JDW on Sg defense
Our Arsenal from Jane's -
that one outdated liao..now we have..Originally posted by SBS9828X:
The sickest 10 vehicle combination you have ever seen! And that is not the end! There are even rumours of 13 vehicle combination! -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Although the source is questionable but personally i believe that such a theory is not entirely baseless.
[b]Guys..the 600km SSM crap was posted by a malaysian forumnite in CARI Forums, who claimed he heard it from a friend in Malaysian Intelligence.
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Just for the sake of discussion, which are the major cities or military bases of various countries are in range should we draw a 600km circle around Singapore? Maybe this will give an idea on why a 600km SSM is useful to us. -
"intelligient.." I hope that was just a spelling error and not a jab at their pronounciation...Originally posted by tripwire:ah.... and we all know how "intelligient" they are...
If we do have a 600km SSM, I think I know where its kept alr... Ha. I saw some very very interesting structures and oddities in my NSF days. -
I agree, but I would think a SSM/BMD system is more useful in our context, rather than one that is offensive alone.Originally posted by tankee1981:Although the source is questionable but personally i believe that such a theory is not entirely baseless.
Just for the sake of discussion, which are the major cities or military bases of various countries are in range should we draw a 600km circle around Singapore? Maybe this will give an idea on why a 600km SSM is useful to us. -
Those the 2.75in rockets that is used by Apaches.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:IIRC there was a post on DSO/DSTA partnership on making on tube launched rockets to be laser guided?
Perhaps that is one of secrets what he was talking about?
Note the US Army is finding GMLRS very useful. Now waiting for Excalibur (GPS guideded 155mm) to be deployed
Not very offensive ,thus dun need to keep secret.
You can read from here:
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SG dun need to spend money on SSM becos our RSAF planes could go do it more accurately.Originally posted by tankee1981:Although the source is questionable but personally i believe that such a theory is not entirely baseless.
Just for the sake of discussion, which are the major cities or military bases of various countries are in range should we draw a 600km circle around Singapore? Maybe this will give an idea on why a 600km SSM is useful to us.
Practically all SEA nations only have VSHORADS missile( except SG and Vietnam) and only a small airforce(except SG, Thailand and Veitnam), our strike a/c should not face too much a problem against the others.
Just fly above the ceiling of the VSHORADS missile, engage their interceptors and let off our standoff weapon.
Therefore , SG will be better off to spend money on other system than on SSM. -
Ukraine develops 'smart' rockets for Singapore Jan /9/2006
JANE'S NAVY INTERNATIONAL - JANUARY 01, 2006
Ukraine develops 'smart' rockets for Singapore
Michal Zdobinsky
The Luch state design bureau in Ukraine is developing a 2.75-inch 'smart' rocket for Singapore, writes Michal Zdobinsky. It will negotiate the transfer of technology and manufacturing rights for the homing and steering module to Singapore, allowing local companies to manufacture the module and convert existing 2.75-inch unguided rockets that can be used to arm Singapore's helicopters.
The upgrade uses technology derived from a Ukrainian programme to develop a guidance and control module to convert the 80 mm AP-8 unguided air-to-surface rocket into a 'smart' AP-8L guided round. The AP-8 is an improved Ukrainian derivative of the Russian S-8 unguided rocket.
The Ukrainian programme to develop the AP-8L was initiated by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, and work started at Luch at the end of 2004. The modified missile has a new front section, containing a laser seeker and a steering unit with two flip-out aerodynamic control surfaces. It retains the rocket motor of the standard AP-8 rocket. The laser seeker of the AP-8L is adapted from an existing weapon, JMR was told, but this weapon was not identified.
Installation of the new front section increases the length of the rocket from the original 1,586 mm to a total of 1,725 mm. To partially compensate for the new hardware, the warhead was trimmed in weight from 4.7 kg to 4.3 kg. Despite this measure, the AP-8L weighs 14.7 kg, 2 kg more than the unguided rocket.
Like the AP-8, the AP-8L can carry either a high-explosive (HE) or a shaped-charge (HEAT) warhead. Although the latter is lighter than the original pattern carried by the unguided rocket, the performance of the shaped charge was enhanced to preserve its armour-piercing capability, matching the older warhead's ability to penetrate 400 mm of homogenous steel armour.
AP-8L rounds can be launched from the standard 20-tube B-8M-1 rocket pods, or from the similar B-8V-20A pods intended for helicopter use. They can be carried by aircraft such as the Su-17, Su-22, Su-25 or the MiG-27K, which carry the Klyon-PS laser rangefinder/designator. Other types of aircraft or helicopters would have to be fitted with suitable laser target designators.
According to the Luch design bureau, all the main components of the AP-8L are tested and proven, but at the IDEF 2005 defence show held in Ankara, Turkey, in September 2005, the bureau indicated that live firing tests of the complete missile had yet to begin.
Until these have been conducted, neither the declared effective range of the new weapon, given as 1,200-5,000 m, nor the claimed 70-80 per cent hit probability against a tank or armoured personnel carrier target can be fully proven.
In parallel with the AP-8L programme, Luch is working on the upgrade scheme for the 2.75-inch rocket, a project being financed by Singapore. According to the deputy director general of the Luch design bureau, Georgiy S Petrov, Singapore would be able to use virtually any laser designator, with only a minor modification to the radiating frequency being required to match the new weapon. Petrov believes that the development and testing of the guided 2.75-inch rocket will be completed by the end of 2006.
one small misssile, one kill of APC,tank etc is a good secret weapon indeed. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Most probably won't be used against tanks due to heavier armour, unless of course you are refering to the AMX-13 which Indonesia have, that may work. These rockets will most likely be used against B vehicles and maybe APC.
[b]Ukraine develops 'smart' rockets for Singapore Jan /9/2006
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one small misssile, one kill of APC,tank etc is a good secret weapon indeed.[/b] -
At 400mm RHA, should be able to penetrate all LT, APC/IFVs and even older non uparmoured MBT like M60s, T-55, T-62 etc.Originally posted by tankee1981:Most probably won't be used against tanks due to heavier armour, unless of course you are refering to the AMX-13 which Indonesia have, that may work. These rockets will most likely be used against B vehicles and maybe APC.
So it it good complement to Hellfire, using them for lighter armoured vehicles whereas the Hellfire against heavy MBTs.
Imagine one Apaches with 2 M261 19-tube rocket pods plus 2 X 4 Hellfire launchers, that means 38 Laser guided 70mm HEAT warhead rockets plus 8 Hellfires, capable of destroying 46 AFVs, abt 1 armoured Bn!!!!
That is one hell of a monster!!!!
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I was thinking........wad is the difference between guided rockets and missiles? I mean if we master the technics to making 2.75 inch rockets does this mean we can produce larger calibre land based rockets like MLRS? Does this mean we may master the skill to make indigenious missiles like that of at least a VSHORADS. I made this comment as we are license producing the IGLAs. Furthermore, since we have a mechanised IGLAs with a radar unit..... Does this mean with have mastered "black technologies" of some aspects of missiles?
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I read the article about it on NST when i went to KL few days back... i still have the papers with me i think...Originally posted by tankee1981:I saw this in Cari forums. There is this article in the Malaysian press namely in NST(New Straits Times) and STAR newspapers, claiming that Singapore is developing a short range SSM (600km) and an "enhanced" version of the MLRS. Anyone have seen this article? If this is credible then it will be great news!
