Malaysia to place MiG-29s in storage
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Hmmm... Me had ran through the RSAF F16 serials already... There's two serials previously belonged to the two F16Cs that were lost in 2002 and 2004 now on the 2nd last order... Can anyone confirm that if these two were the replacements?Originally posted by Viper52:USAF Block 52 F-16Ds do not have the spine. And serials do not indicate any aircraft has transferred. I reckon both lost aircraft were not replaced.
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Well at least better than the Skyhawks, the Mig-29s will be used for abt 12 years, the Skyhawks were used at most 9 years, most of them at actually started retiring within a few years!!!!Originally posted by Arthas79:I dont know what they`re doing. It`s unbelievable.
Anyway , I thought that Mig-29s suppose to go thru I think 1000hrs major overhaul last year????
Did we miss something???
Perhaps MY do not wish to spend money ( or lack of it) on those maintenanace intensive planes!!!
Maybe that's the real reason and not lack of pilots!!! -
Sun Tsz said ''Soldiers never tied of cheating''
so duny but MY news easily.
They can overhaul it and bring in
Pilot Mercenaryto man them. -
Well, me only know that the spare parts that MIGs supposed to be repaired and replaced due to the needed and recommended 1000 flight hours servicing and overhaul didn't materialise due to 2004 budgetry constraints on the military budget, as a result most MIGs have to be grounded... Rumours also said that Russians were very unpleased about this...Originally posted by gary1910:Well at least better than the Skyhawks, the Mig-29s will be used for abt 12 years, the Skyhawks were used at most 9 years, most of them at actually started retiring within a few years!!!!
Anyway , I thought that Mig-29s suppose to go thru I think 1000hrs major overhaul last year????
Did we miss something???
Perhaps MY do not wish to spend money ( or lack of it) on those maintenanace intensive planes!!!
Maybe that's the real reason and not lack of pilots!!! -
confirm not happy what...buy their product in the end as white elephant....Originally posted by dork3d:Well, me only know that the spare parts that MIGs supposed to be repaired and replaced due to the needed and recommended 1000 flight hours servicing and overhaul didn't materialise due to 2004 budgetry constraints on the military budget, as a result most MIGs have to be grounded... Rumours also said that Russians were very unpleased about this... -
Errr...meaning?Originally posted by dork3d:Hmmm... Me had ran through the RSAF F16 serials already... There's two serials previously belonged to the two F16Cs that were lost in 2002 and 2004 now on the 2nd last order... Can anyone confirm that if these two were the replacements? 
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It's just like the RMAF is interested in getting more MIGs but the Russians are not interested in closing a deal with them... Maybe as the saying goes: Once bitten twice shy...Originally posted by duotiga83:confirm not happy what...buy their product in the end as white elephant.... 
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Well at least better than the Skyhawks, the Mig-29s will be used for abt 12 years, the Skyhawks were used at most 9 years, most of them at actually started retiring within a few years!!!!
Someone posted a picture of abandoned RMAF Sky-hawks in another forum not too long ago. Nice to see you again anyway
I have always thought correct decisions are being subverted by politically correct ones as they progress through the corridors of power in Malaysia. That`s very unfortunate. I feel for the pilots and the RMAF...
They don`t have good 3rd or 4th(?) generation leaders. That`s a lesson for Singapore. -
Obviously I miss that , so my assumption is true.Originally posted by dork3d:Well, me only know that the spare parts that MIGs supposed to be repaired and replaced due to the needed and recommended 1000 flight hours servicing and overhaul didn't materialise due to 2004 budgetry constraints on the military budget, as a result most MIGs have to be grounded... Rumours also said that Russians were very unpleased about this... -
Obviously their RMAF is in a mess. I mean such things should have been anticipated in advance and the appropriate actions taken to prepare for it.
Having so many types of aircraft which causes logistic and servicing problems and with the high rate of aircraft attrition certainly doesn't help either to boost the image of RMAF either.
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Those guys juz like to buy new n fancy equipments not that MIGs r new....they r just like kids always wanting to get a new toy...worse part they don't really need them or know how to use them fully as they juz got too new "toys".....SHOW OFF
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http://www.kanwa.com/free/2002/01/ec0122.htm
Some acknowledgements about the MiG-29's maintenance problems. I suppose the reason RMAF still goes with Ru Aircraft is cos it has no other viable alternatives. The rest are too expensive (initial cost) and little tech transfers.
They are most likely banking their hope on India to be able to help them with servicing and buy parts from them perhaps? Maybe india should be a regional distributor of Su-30 parts... -
Originally posted by datafuser:
If they can't even pay their pilots better than budget airlines, nothing need to be said.
OK, here it is.
[b]Malaysia to place MiG-29s in storage
Dzirhan Mahadzir JDW Correspondent
Kuala Lumpur
28-Jul-2006
In addition, a number of RMAF pilots have opted to leave the service for civil aviation, particularly in light of the demand for pilots by Malaysia's low-cost aviation carrier, Air Asia.
Cheers,
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hmm... thought they have loads of cash since they are eyeing for AWACs and new frigates how come now no cash to maintain aircraft? Can't seem to understand why they are spending on new stuff while the stuff in their arsenal are left to rot
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could be that the big shots who approved the deals get a "commission". it's happened before with their ambitious 27-NGPV project isn't it?
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Its not that they have no $$ to maintain aircraft... Like they said, they can't retain the pilots they trained. Losing a lot of them to airlines.Originally posted by ah_kwang:hmm... thought they have loads of cash since they are eyeing for AWACs and new frigates how come now no cash to maintain aircraft? Can't seem to understand why they are spending on new stuff while the stuff in their arsenal are left to rot
The Mig-29 has never been a very favorable aircraft internationally. If they were that good, China would have gotten them, India would have gotten them. These are the experts on good Russian hardware. So far, only 3rd world countries, former Soviet Bloc countries, and Arab nations such as Iraq, Iran, Syria etc acquired them... next would be M'sia...
Maintenance is hell, their parts are limited... by the Russians And sometimes servicing cost blown sky high perhaps due to "commissions" along the way. RMAF is gonna save a ton by storing the MiG-29s. Excellent move. Question is, will the Su-30 cause less trouble, or more trouble than the Fulcrums? -
The RMAF is definitely getting a plane that will project their power but are they replacing the maintenance heavy Fulcrum with a maintenance monster Flanker? Only time will tell.......Originally posted by Shotgun:The Mig-29 has never been a very favorable aircraft internationally. If they were that good... [b]India would have gotten them....[/quote]
Err....I believe the Indian AF has a fleet of MiG-29s in operation. Furthermore, in conjunction with the Indian Navy getting the ex-Russian Kiev-class carrier, Admiral Gorshkov, the Indian Navy has even selected the carrier-capable MiG-29K.
[quote]RMAF is gonna save a ton by storing the MiG-29s. Excellent move. Question is, will the Su-30 cause less trouble, or more trouble than the Fulcrums? -
Oh yea... kinda forgot abt those naval flankers they ordered... They should back out of that order as soon as they can! =D
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Why is that Malaysia alway have problems one. Such a big country can't they just have a proper system. Such a small issue also got problem.
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I guess its down to the ideology of governance. Some countries believe in meritocracy, some believe in affirmative action. So you get different quality of decision makers and hence different outcomes.
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I feel that very often they fail to consider the type of air force they want to build, and measure it against what is required in the region.
Russian jets are highly capable combat fighters that unfortunately have very high servicing requirements and need often repairs. But, they come cheap with low initial costs!
These fighters are great for countries where regional open war is common, and combat attrition is high, at a very lean price. You need to scramble fighters against a potentially hostile track, u send the Russian made ones up to intercept. This way, you don't lose too much $$ if it gets shot down. Pray the pilot ejects and you can use him again! This way, you have 1 less jet to service anyways.
But we are not in a region with common open wars. In a way, we are in a rather peaceable region. Where readiness is more important. Being able to scramble on notice means jets need to be in tip top condition at any time. Russian aircraft that needs to serviced so much more often than western counter-part may not be available to deliver this kinda readiness to countries in our region.
This is where I feel the RMAF have lost sight on. Unless, they are really preparing for open war...
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30% of MY Adnan APC idle
:Armoured vehicles lying idle,By NIK NAIZI HUSIN,Thursday February 9, 2006
---thestar.com.my
PEKAN: At least 30% of (211) Adnan armoured combat vehicles, purchased almost three years ago for RM1.2bil, are lying idle – all because the purchase agreement did not have a clause for maintenance and supply of spare partsJANE’S DEFENCE WEEKLY - JULY 14, 2004
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Malaysia accepts Pakistani ATGW
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS JDW Land Forces Editor
London
Malaysia has taken delivery of its Armoured Combat Vehicle (ACV) 300-series tracked armoured vehicles fitted with the Pakistani Baktar Shikan anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW).
A contract was placed in late 2000 with FNSS Savunma Sistemleri of Turkey for 211 ACV 300 vehicles in 10 configurations. The 300 in the vehicleÂ’s designation denotes the output of the Detroit Diesel 6V-53T diesel engine in horsepower. The vehicle is called Adnan in Malaysian service.
Final deliveries are due later this year and an additional order is expected to be placed in the future.
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Ha ha ha... You call their bumiputra policy as "affirmative action"??Originally posted by huaichien:I guess its down to the ideology of governance. Some countries believe in meritocracy, some believe in affirmative action. So you get different quality of decision makers and hence different outcomes. Isn't affirmative action meant to mean giving minorities opportunities, not quite the same ya? 
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Frankly, most of us would be thinking why would the Malaysian Armed Forces over the years gotten something capable for their operations but incapable to maintain, and get something else few years down the road... Just like their rifles, they've gotten the Steyrs and a few variants and now, they are looking for a replacement weapon like the M4 Carbine for the Steyrs...
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We must never allow our SAF to descend to such a state because his the time where deterence looks flimsy and foreigners will start to mess around with us!