Hezbollah's Strategic Rocket Arsenal that showering Israel
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The debate on HZBL vs Israel is hot everywhere, however, it seems thereÂ’s very limited information regarding the rocket arsenal that poured into Israel. So far we know Fajir 5/3 are the types used by the guerrillas :
The crater created by a Fajr-5 missile fired at Afula. The missile contained 100 kg. of explosives
The Fajr-5 rocket that was fired at Afula on Friday.
Photo: Channel 10Fajr-5
The Fajr-5 is an artillery rocket developed by Iran in early 2006. The system is part of the Fajr family of rockets.
Iran's Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) has developed an upgraded version of the well-established Fadjr-5 333 mm (4-round) unguided surface-to-surface artillery rocket system (ARS).
The latest production of the Fadjr-5 is installed on a new Mercedes-Benz 6 x 6 forward control chassis and the platform is now integrated into a complete weapon system rather than an individual launcher. To provide a more stable firing platform four hydraulically operated stabilisers are lowered to the ground before firing.
The new chassis has improved cross-country mobility and the forward control fully enclosed cab provides space for the driver and two passengers. Another fully enclosed cabin to the immediate rear of the cab houses the remainder of the crew. The new Mercedes-Benz chassis is similar to that manufactured in China, which is used as the basis for the Norinco (China North Industries Corporation) 122 mm (40-round) Type 90 ARS.
While the primary role of this artillery rocket system is the engagement of land targets, AIO says that a radar can be added to give the system the capability to track and engage naval targets. The Fajr-5 missile, which is launched from a mobile platform, reportedly has a range of between 75 kilometers, or 50 miles.
Israeli media claimed Iran supplied a number of these rockets to Hezbollah forces in Lebanon in 2006 1.
During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict it is suspected that Hezbollah militants fired Fajr-5 rockets deeper into Israel than in past conflicts. So far the strikes targetted the city of Afula yet failed to hit it. The attack attained the longest range of its kind from the lebanese border to date -
how many do they have?
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I dont think they would have many
if they did, hezbollah would have used them much earlier bcos the rockets can hit further into Israel -
wait, mercedes benz builds rockets?
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They build chassis, the platform for Hezbollah's r0cketsOriginally posted by nismoS132:wait, mercedes benz builds rockets?
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The Fjir5 can have a range of 200kms?!
ThatÂ’s sound new to me, at least I only know a few MLRS got such long range,
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=104619Hizbullah Receives Iranian Advanced Rocket
06:24 May 31, '06 / 4 Sivan 5766
(IsraelNN.com) Hizbullah terrorists in Lebanon have received an advanced Iranian rocket, according to Israeli sources quoted by Middle East Newsline. The weapon is the most advanced in Hizbullah's possession and can reach Israel's major cities.
The solid fuel missile is believed to be an advanced version of the Fajr-5 and can reach more than 200 kilometers (124 miles). -
It seems they only need to accuse and it becomes true.. I smell a False flag operation coming up.Originally posted by 38�Ž:The Fjir5 can have a range of 200kms?! That’s sound new to me, at least I only know a few MLRS got such long range,
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=104619
Fajr-5 is 10 meters long and has a range of 75km.. and suddenly they can reach 200km thus qualfied as a SLBM. The new missle must be huge.
Perhaps, too many people in other forums are discussing about how a 20km rockets could reach Haifa which is 35 km away... and how hundreds of truck-mounted Fajr-3 could be launched without regards into Haifa. -
smoke out?
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rockets attacking Israel launched from residential area and then the
area was blasted by Israel jet.so sad.
Photos that damn Hezbollah,Chris Link,July 30, 2006 12:00am
www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html
The images, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Herald Sun, show Hezbollah using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy-calibre weapons.
inspired bymurdoconline.net
Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear, the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon.
The photographs, from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut, were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend.
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The Melbourne man who smuggled the shots out of Beirut and did not wish to be named said he was less than 400m from the block when it was obliterated.
"Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets, then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets," he said.
"Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived, it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then it was totally devastated. -
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
These are Anti-aircraft guns, a defensive weapons, where do think they should be. In all wars, AA guns are always stationed somewhere around and within areas they want to protect.
rockets attacking Israel launched from residential area and then the
area was blasted by Israel jet.so sad.
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Photos that damn Hezbollah,Chris Link,July 30, 2006 12:00am
www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html
inspired bymurdoconline.net[/b]
BTW, since only Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 could reach as far as Haifa.. do any one has any photos of Rocket debris in Haifa's attacks ... apart from those Pot-holes being circulated around that does not exactly correspond with rocket with 45kg warhead. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Notice that this report .. while stating that most of the rockets are short range and have small warheads was hitting northern Israeli's Town .. but does not mention what rockets were used to attck Haifa ??
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Hezbollah missile threat assessed,By Frank Gardner
BBC News, Jerusalem Thursday, 3 August 2006[/b]
Even the small rockets debris was shown in the report, but what about the debris in haifa, and how explain those small pot-holes.. where are the rocket debris... since only at least a Fajr-3 can reach.
BTW, Zelzal-2 cannot be 8m long, since the Fajr-5 with a range of 75km is already about 10m long. -
Well i hope its clear now that its Hezbolla who is hitting Haifa and its not a "False flag operation"Originally posted by MobyDog:It seems they only need to accuse and it becomes true.. I smell a False flag operation coming up.
Fajr-5 is 10 meters long and has a range of 75km.. and suddenly they can reach 200km thus qualfied as a SLBM. The new missle must be huge.
Perhaps, too many people in other forums are discussing about how a 20km rockets could reach Haifa which is 35 km away... and how hundreds of truck-mounted Fajr-3 could be launched without regards into Haifa."After the Zionist enemy exceeded all limits killing and destroying ... the Islamic Resistance announces that it bombarded the city of Haifa with dozens of Raad 2 and Raad 3 rockets at 9am (0600 GMT)," Hezbollah said in a statement.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9E89DE1C-45C9-48D6-A5C3-6F15C9C29692.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E8B36571-B4E2-406E-AE9B-4EC7274FF26A.htm -
Originally posted by VikingS:
I was talking about the Fjir5 with a range of 200km announcement.
Well i hope its clear now that its Hezbolla who is hitting Haifa and its not a "False flag operation.
BTW, do you have any pics of Haifa being hit with Fajr-3 ? Since Kat rockets have rocket hitting Kiryat have debris, surely a Fajr-3, which is larger, would produce a bigger hole and larger rocket pcs lying around. -
whatever the case, I don't think it's about relativity over here ....Originally posted by MobyDog:I was talking about the Fjir5 with a range of 200km announcement.
BTW, do you have any pics of Haifa being hit with Fajr-3 ? Since Kat rockets have rocket hitting Kiryat have debris, surely a Fajr-3, which is larger, would produce a bigger hole and larger rocket pcs lying around.
so ... you don't deny that there ARE terrorist rockets being showered over Israel ? ..... -
U would b surprised what Hezbollah hasÂ…
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You have to admit. The Hezbollah are there in Lebanon not to defend the Lebanese people from Israeli attacks. They are using Lebanon as a launch base for the attacks, and using the Lebanese civilians as meat shields from Israeli attacks. Hezbollah began as a resistance group to fight the Israeli invasion back in 1982. Back then, it composed of a large spectrum of fighters, including some Christian Lebanese. But now, it has decomposed and largely swayed by Islamic Militants.
The Hezbollah needs to be dealt with, but not by engaging them in the battlefields of Lebanon. In order to kill Hezbollah, u need to cut their funding and support by destroying their masters in Iran and Syria. Fighting them in Lebanon would only serve them by inciting others to join their cause.
If there is anything would bring the doom of the Middle Eastern countries, its these extremist groups. If the Arab league does not deal with them forcefully soon, there will be greater sh!t storms than this and in greater magnitude in time to come. -
Of course, just like Israel pounding lebanese with 12X that.. But isn't my curiosity reasonable... the few photos of rocket attacks at Haifa are just small pot holes without debris and the damage does not corresponds to the big warhead that Fajr-3 has.Originally posted by Fatum:whatever the case, I don't think it's about relativity over here ....
so ... you don't deny that there ARE terrorist rockets being showered over Israel ? .....
why all photos of rockets attacks on nothern towns has debris and Haifa don't. -
No... they got this old US-made TOWs from the SLA, which Israel supplied. The old Konnet is also doing great damage to the invincible Merkava Tanks.Originally posted by coolant:U would b surprised what Hezbollah hasÂ…
Only thing I'm waiting for is when are they going to use their Igla's.... -
the time when Isreali aircraft gets shot down will be the time when a ground invasion would come
it's jus my guess
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So far Haifa has been hit by Fajr-3 and the longer range Fajr-5 has been used against Afula and Hadera. The missile with 100-200km range is probably the Iranian Zelzal-2 and has not yet been used.Originally posted by MobyDog:I was talking about the Fjir5 with a range of 200km announcement.
BTW, do you have any pics of Haifa being hit with Fajr-3 ? Since Kat rockets have rocket hitting Kiryat have debris, surely a Fajr-3, which is larger, would produce a bigger hole and larger rocket pcs lying around.
As to pictures just google a bit
www.haaretz.com
Israelis inspect damage in a house after rocket by Hezbollah guerrillas from neighboring Lebanon, in northern city of Haifa, Aug. 5, 2006
http://voanews.com/english/2006-08-05-voa28.cfm
An Israeli Arab man is rescued from the rubble at the site of a Hezbollah rocket attack in the northern Israel coastal town of Haifa Sunday Aug. 6, 2006. Hezbollah rockets crashed into Haifa Sunday, killing three people and injuring dozens of people, in a heavy barrage on Israel's third largest city. Earlier in the day 12 Israelis were killed in another attack in northern Israel
http://www.wral.com/apworldnews/9636466/detail.html
Khaiber-1 rocket in Afula
Hizbullah announced on Al-Manar TV Friday night that it attacked Hadera with Khaibar-1 rockets.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286431,00.html
And you havent yet admitted that Hizbolla strikes Haifa
Some links about the rockets
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/zelzal-2.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/mrl-iran-specs.htm -
VikingS,
Yes, yes .. Both Hadera and Afula, which are further than Haifa, were hit by two Fajr-3/5. From the pic of the rocket debris .. Fajr-5 had hit Afula and Fajr-3 had hit Hadera.
However, in Haifa's numerous rocket attacks of date, not one pic shows rocket debris was shown.And you havent yet admitted that Hizbolla strikes Haifa
Yes, Hizbollah has said so before... and somebody must be attacking them. But Hez do not have many Fajr-3 and launching those many 5m long rockets are a death wish. They can be spotted by the naked eyes.
However, they have plenty of home made Kat Rockets .. but they do not have the range. -
Sometimes i feel the Hezbollah WANTS to be spotted launching those rockets. Whenever Israeli jets bombs them, they unavoidably happen to hit those children the Hezbollah surround their rockets with.
Its a dirty game. Eventually, it may not be the rockets that do the most damage to the Israeli campaign, but the Israeli retaliatory actions. Hezbolla knows that and plays that card well. -
no rocket debris ? ... this then ? ...Originally posted by MobyDog:Of course, just like Israel pounding lebanese with 12X that.. But isn't my curiosity reasonable... the few photos of rocket attacks at Haifa are just small pot holes without debris and the damage does not corresponds to the big warhead that Fajr-3 has.
why all photos of rockets attacks on nothern towns has debris and Haifa don't.
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2006720234926.asp
but what's the point ? .... you're going to say they are faked anyways ? .... are you insinuating that the Israelis are bombing themselves to justify bombing lebanon ? ..... you're just going to see what your mind wants you to see, eh ? ...
but then again, it's not about relativity here, at least for the Israelis, their intended targets were terrorists and missile launchers, it's saddening and unfortunate that there were innocents killed, but of course, even a smart bomb is blind, you'd have to question though, why are they hiding among civilians ? ....... for the terrorist/neo-fascists .... their deliberate and intended targets of the rockets were civilians, women, children, not military, pure and simple ...... is it the same ? .... not in my books ..... -
Still a fact, that the photo did not show any rocket parts...