CIS .50 HMG
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Questions:
What is the main purpose of the .5HMG?
Is it for anti-personnel or anti-vehicle etc?
How come we don't mount it on our tanks like the AMX-13 and AMX-10?
(I know we mount it on the M113 in the 40/50 combination.)
Do we still use the old M2 Browning .5? I know that in the 70's we had M113's with only a single M2 mounted with no turret with a 7.62 GPMG at the rear.
The British and Argentine infantry both used the .5 HMG. How come in SAF we have no .5 in infantry inventory?
Where else is the .5 used? Vehicles? Ships? etc..
Anyone here ever fired one? -
I think bcos the ST HMG will be used in huge quantity for the 3 forces, etc........ ship, IFV, Super Puma. Bcos it is expensive to upgrade existing M2. I think our infantry are light equipped one, by introducing the HMG, it will end up like 84mm RR, always lagging behind, always slowest.
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Siao ar! Dun ask me to carry HMG leh! Carry .5 ammo can kill liao..
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u know how heavy is the 0.5? the barrel is about 9kg liao. some more need to carry 2. the ammo how? 1.5 contact rate, anyone?
0.5 is mainly used on MG posts, soft shelled veh, eg: rovers, trucks, etc. -
Mount the .5 HMG together with the Spike on the LSVs. Or even separately.
No way the infantry or guards unit can manpack the .5 tho. need two people to carry the weopon, another 2 to carry the tripod and another 5 to carry ammo. Better the 9 pple carry 3 GPMG between them. -
the barrel is abt 9kg....
if i remember correctly...
the body is close to 20kg or 30kg...
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total weight is 30kg. barrel is 9kg. than need to bring spare barrel.
how to bash tru jungle with it?
so it is more for vehicles or bases la.. -
bloody .5 really bring back memories...Originally posted by saline:total weight is 30kg. barrel is 9kg. than need to bring spare barrel.
how to bash tru jungle with it?
so it is more for vehicles or bases la..
used to carry the damn thing and run from the armskote to the vehicle shed...
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yeah man!! 40mm AGL also. bloody hell. than cannot fire blanks one. always kena I.A. clean arms is also a nightmare.
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yah...Originally posted by saline:yeah man!! 40mm AGL also. bloody hell. than cannot fire blanks one. always kena I.A. clean arms is also a nightmare.
but 40agl is a lot easier to clean as compared to the .5...
.5 barrel damn diff to clean... -
I bow to the fact that you can carry the CIS .5 and run!Originally posted by GHoST_18:used to carry the damn thing and run from the armskote to the vehicle shed... 
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with my buddy's help of coz...Originally posted by insouciant:I bow to the fact that you can carry the CIS .5 and run!
im not that garang to carry it alone and run... -
9 kg barrel... can use that for close combat liao loh. use it as a baseball bat.
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Bloody 0.5 barrel. Can never clean properly
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x2...Originally posted by pwnz0r:Bloody 0.5 barrel. Can never clean properly -
They better not put it into infantry units Imagine each section armed with 1 of these. Nobody is able to move.
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That is a huge market for 0.5 which is dominated by browning 0.5 .
CIS setup to design and manufacture - a 0.5 that will overcome the existing short comings and also less expensive and complex . That result was CIS 0.5
It able to feed belt from both left and right , with a switch. Thus it can let the user mount amour-pericing rounds, and normal rounds on each side. The advantage is the gunner can select which type of ammo to shoot at what target.
With less parts, not only it is less expensive but less prone to jamming. -
What happens when an AMX-13 meets an enemy Humvee-type armoured jeep? It would be overkill to fire the maingun and the 7.62 would ineffective. Where is the .5?Originally posted by storywolf:That is a huge market for 0.5 which is dominated by browning 0.5 .
CIS setup to design and manufacture - a 0.5 that will overcome the existing short comings and also less expensive and complex . That result was CIS 0.5
It able to feed belt from both left and right , with a switch. Thus it can let the user mount amour-pericing rounds, and normal rounds on each side. The advantage is the gunner can select which type of ammo to shoot at what target.
With less parts, not only it is less expensive but less prone to jamming.
There are so many kinds of ammo for the .5 including Saboted Light AP rounds, ball ammo and even inciendiary. Which means you can engage targets from personnnel, IFV to aircrafts.
Since we make these things we must have lots of them, why so scarce?
The Brit and Argentine infantry used the .5 for static defense, naturally. The mujahideen in Afghanistan used them for AA and also for ambush.
But what is so unusual about infantry having to lug heavy loads through the jungles etc?
The Vietminh dragged field guns up a mountain and pounded the less heavily-armed French into defeat at Dien Bien Phu. The VC and NVA would strip down field guns, HMG and 106 RR and transport them through the jungle for a fight. They would improvise and strap gun barrels to 2 bicycles etc and push them through the jungles.
My company once carried 3 bright shiny long aluminium ladders wrapped with sandbags as camouflage through nearly 10km of forests to our FIBUA objective at night. The ladders were so long and heavy - plus the sandbags wrapping it were all wet from the rain - it took one section of men just to carry one. I must admit it was a pretty silly looking sight. The CIS 50 would be nothing compared to that ladder in weight. -
Have you carried a CIS .50 HMG together with its tripod and ammo before?
It's no laughing matter.
Sure you can lug the CIS .50 to a destination. But note that all those instances you mentioned, they were then placed in a static position. If an infantry unit is in a defensive or static position, sure by all means bring them along.
But in a fluid fire and movement or movement to contact, do you really want to lug a .50 HMG with you? -
The fact that you run with it, even with a buddy helping you, makes you a hero in my book.Originally posted by GHoST_18:with my buddy's help of coz...
im not that garang to carry it alone and run... -
yes, u can carry the 0.5 HMG. but how long can u sustain? by the time u bash tru, u'll be 3/4 dead already. u carried the sand bags for 10+km. but after that u don't carry it back rite?
FYI, one box of M8 rounds holds about 80 rounds. so ur trooper need to carry how many boxes of it? than u need to bring along the rifle cleaning it also.
if contacted along the way how? need to set up tripod, fix barrel, load ammo.
in case u don't know, for the SM1, they have the cannister rd. basically it is a 75mm shotgun.
anyway, no 0.5 for the tank is ok la.. 2x 7.62 MG is enough.
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Aiyah...Originally posted by insouciant:Have you carried a CIS .50 HMG together with its tripod and ammo before?
It's no laughing matter.
Sure you can lug the CIS .50 to a destination. But note that all those instances you mentioned, they were then placed in a static position. If an infantry unit is in a defensive or static position, sure by all means bring them along.
But in a fluid fire and movement or movement to contact, do you really want to lug a .50 HMG with you?
Where got tell you to go and assault with .5 ?
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sigh....Originally posted by saline:yes, u can carry the 0.5 HMG. but how long can u sustain? by the time u bash tru, u'll be 3/4 dead already. u carried the sand bags for 10+km. but after that u don't carry it back rite?
FYI, one box of M8 rounds holds about 80 rounds. so ur trooper need to carry how many boxes of it? than u need to bring along the rifle cleaning it also.
if contacted along the way how? need to set up tripod, fix barrel, load ammo.
in case u don't know, for the SM1, they have the cannister rd. basically it is a 75mm shotgun.
anyway, no 0.5 for the tank is ok la.. 2x 7.62 MG is enough.
The 81mm mortar, is it an infantry weapon or not?
Do you know the weight of the 81mm mortar or not?
IT IS HEAVIER THAN THE CIS .50 OK !!!
IT IS MORE THAN 40KG.
SO STOP talking co.ck soldier, that the CIS .50 cannot be dismantled and carried.
Of course it is for support role LAH!!!
Who is telling you to go and charge enemy with it? -
In case you don't know, the cannister round is for anti-personnel.Originally posted by saline:in case u don't know, for the SM1, they have the cannister rd. basically it is a 75mm shotgun.
anyway, no 0.5 for the tank is ok la.. 2x 7.62 MG is enough.
Anyway, if you cannot understand the advantage of having a rapid firing HMG over a single-shot cannon for some situations, there is little point in discussing further. -
dude,
he nv mention anything about assault wat. what he mean is that when u are lugging the 50 tru the jungle (maybe to the base), and u get contacted, it would be hell to lug the 50 around.