4 UN soldiers Died as “Save corporal” show continues
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Yeah, have you heard what the Israeli chief said on radio.. he said that all lebanese supports Hezbolla and they should all leave South Lebanon'Originally posted by killstyle:dont be navie. they dont spend so much money and effort for the 2 crap soliders, media is control by west. namely bush and his 'free world' lackeys the jews. they tell you what they want you to believe in.
clearcut isnt it? them jews being eyeing that piece of lebanon land for a loong time.
The making of a 'Gaza North' ? or a genocide...
BTW, Lebanon economy was growing exponentially and was already touted as the 'Sweden of Middle East', was these one of the reason to bomb Lebanon back to the 70's ?? I mean would Lebanon too succesful for it's own good ? -
My exact sentimentsOriginally posted by Viper52:Typical petulant answer from tripwire when he's unable to debate on points. -
so u're saying its right of Israeli to stoop to the same level as the Heza and not give a damn about the lives of innocents?Originally posted by tripwire:how smart are you with such a comment? need i say more? i am entitiled to my opinion just as you are with yours...
and since when is right and wrong measured based on who lost more lives in a conflict? mr whatever....
Then what makes them "right" anymore? If they're mucking around the same moral high ground as the Heza, I might as well go throw my lot in with the Heza.
If they want to claim to be civilized, they better start acting like it, and giving a damn about the lives of the innocent. So what if the Heza doesn't play by the rules of engagement? Does that give the Israelis a right to disregard non-Hezas and gun them down in their attempt to get to the Hezas?
Like I said, if your kid was a hostage and the police gunned him down because they weren't really giving a damn about whether the hostages survives as much as they were about killing the hostage takers, would u still be able to hold the same view u do now?
If theres going to be a conflict with 2 bad guys and no good guys, I'd rather support the underdog. And Im sure many people feel that way too, because people often throw their lot in with what they see as the "bullied", and this is no longer the days of the Yom Kipper War, hence u can rest assured that Israeli is now seen as the oppressor.
U can continue to label the world and everyone who disagrees with as naive, but the truth is, IF Israeli is not smart enough to realise they NEED the moral high ground, then they are the really naive ones, and u're not that far behind. -
Sure thats true, but I gave an opinion, you responded with a personal insultOriginally posted by tripwire:i wont even bother to scroll up... but i remember well.. that my first post on this thread was not directed against you... -
if this is true. then i really hope god bombs these fcuking israeli pigs to kingdom come. dam they are so fcking evil. just like the fake Free World U.SOriginally posted by MobyDog:Yeah, have you heard what the Israeli chief said on radio.. he said that all lebanese supports Hezbolla and they should all leave South Lebanon'
The making of a 'Gaza North' ? or a genocide...
BTW, Lebanon economy was growing exponentially and was already touted as the 'Sweden of Middle East', was these one of the reason to bomb Lebanon back to the 70's ?? I mean would Lebanon too succesful for it's own good ? -
your first opinions sound like an insult to me. or you gonna deny that?Originally posted by Viper52:Sure thats true, but I gave an opinion, you responded with a personal insult -
so where did those rockets come from? drop from the sky?Originally posted by MobyDog:BTW, officially UN does not recognise Hezbollah as a terrorist Org.. only the unsual suspect do.. namely Israel, USA and his side-kick UK..and afew more.
You should read up more on MiddleEast History, Hezbollah was born out of resistance during their occupation by Israel for 18 yrs.. and was terrorise by their proxy the SLA. You can't call them Terrorist, even now since Israel still occupies the Sheeba Farms strip.
There are lebanese prisoners iin Israel prison without trials, therefore the abduction of the cpl was a legit military target.
On the argument that Syria and Iran supporting Hezbolla, strategically, what's wrong. Syria needs a buffer from Israel and Iran is already seperated by Iraq and Turkey. The talk of Iran supply rockets to Hezbollah is getting old.. hoe are they going to supply them.. thru Turkey or US conquered Iraq ???
and if syria and iran support of hizbo against isreal is strategically correct, what is strategically wrong with isreal defending itself by attacking the hizbo in south lebanon?
for peace to prevail... i am in agreedment with viper that there should be a legit govt controlling all of lebanon with the disarmament of the hizbo on a high priority.
but by your argument that it is strategically correct for syria and iran to support the hizbo for their own agenda and selfish desire at the expanse of peace for the lebanese... i cannot help but believe that...
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Hezbollah has no right to exist in its current cowardly form. Period. This is my opinion.
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Originally posted by tripwire:
I hate nothing more than delibrate ignorance.. the rockets were manufactured in Lebanon.. old news.. ancient news .. just do some google.. know some facts .. than just reply for the sake of it.
so where did those rockets come from? drop from the sky?and if syria and iran support of hizbo against isreal is strategically correct, what is strategically wrong with isreal defending itself by attacking the hizbo in south lebanon?
Welcome to the world of Realpolitik... Israel is not just attacking Hezbollah... they are destroying an entire country back to the 70's... indiscrimainately.for peace to prevail... i am in agreedment with viper that there should be a legit govt controlling all of lebanon with the disarmament of the hizbo on a high priority.
But Israel only gave them one year for the newly elected Lebanese govt to... something Israel were no able to do for 18 yrs when they are occupying Lebanon. They did the same thing to the elected govt of Palestine- Hamas.. here they did not waste time.but by your argument that it is strategically correct for syria and iran to support the hizbo for their own agenda and selfish desire at the expanse of peace for the lebanese... i cannot help but believe that...
USA does it more often than others... and what peace was Israel offering to the common Lebanese population ? Like Condi said " the pange of a new Middle East" on Israel terms ??? WTFyou seem to be in favour of a coutinued endless war between the hizbo and the isrealis at the expanse of the lebanese blood?
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I thought that fought the IDF with great results.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hezbollah has no right to exist in its current cowardly form. Period. This is my opinion.
You mean Hezbolla, as a resistance org, has no to do what it did. Lebanon is bombed to pcs and invaded. Capturing the two soldiers were well within the constrain of UN, objectively, as long as Lebanon remains occupied - Sheeba Farms. -
HEZBOLLAH ATTACKED UNIFIL TWICE THIS WEEK
Neither the mainstream media nor Kofi Annan have mentioned it, but Hizballah has attacked UNIFIL observers twice this week. (Hat tip: Larry.)
From the UNÂ’s own press releases:
24 July 2006:
One unarmed UN military observer, a member of the Observer Group Lebanon (OGL), was seriously wounded by small arms fire in the patrol base in the Marun Al Ras area yesterday afternoon. According to preliminary reports, the fire originated from the Hezbollah side during an exchange with the IDF. He was evacuated by the UN to the Israeli side, from where he was taken by an IDF ambulance helicopter to a hospital in Haifa. He was operated on, and his condition is now reported as stable.
Notice: in this instance, the UN observer was injured badly enough to be evacuated to an Israeli hospital. Where they saved his life.
Not a word of condemnation from Kofi Annan for Hizballah. And not a word of gratitude for Israel, for saving a UN peacekeeperÂ’s life.
25 July 2006:
This morning, Hezbollah opened small arms fire at a UNIFIL convoy consisting of two armored personnel carriers (APC) on the road between Kunin and Bint Jubayl. There was some damage to the APCs, but no casualties, and the convoy was obliged to return to Kunin. -
MORE HEZBOLLAH FIRING FROM UN POSITIONS
From todayÂ’s United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon press release (PDF), more reports of Hizballah using UN posts as cover for attacks:
There were three incidents of firing close to UN positions in the last 24 hours from the Israeli side. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Marwahin, Alma Ash Shab, Brashit, and At Tiri.
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tripwire is another one. straying off topic. U wanna condemn heza, go open another thread to condemn. no one stopping u.
this thread deals with Israel's disregard for innocent lives caught in the crossfire, and it shall speak only about that.
IF we stay on the subject matter, then YES the israelis do not pay enough regard to human lives of innocents and yes that brings them down to Heza levels and YES they need the moral high ground in this war in order not to be see as oppressors and NO dropping leaflets to tell people to run is not considered as having any high regard for human life. -
You can`t have a rich discussion on this topic, if not most topics, without touching on the implications. People don`t think in a linear fashion most of the time.
The protagonists ard thier friends in the Middle East have been locked in a conflict that spans decades. Some would say centuries even. Do not possibly expect a cognitive resolution here in SGforums or perhaps, elsewhere. I see no fault in Tripwire`s views. There has to be decorum though since most people can`t agree on many things. -
tripwire has got a wire loose up there. eitither that or he is a Mossad agent out to spread his sand p_ussy. but highly unlikely as the mossads are quite intelligent breed of running dogs scum that thrives on camel sh1t and bush's semen
eh tripwire u wan to be a dog also cant be a dog properly why dont u try to be an insect
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even inscets get sex for free you know, eh trip wire. u qualify
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hezbollah formed out of neccessity to drive out their Jewish aggressor whos occupying their land.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hezbollah has no right to exist in its current cowardly form. Period. This is my opinion.
whos the cowardly one here?
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Lebanon: UN observer teams in line of fire in south to relocate
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19332&Cr=leban&Cr1=28 July 2006 – Three days after a United Nations post in Lebanon was destroyed during an Israeli bombardment, leaving four dead, the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has decided to temporarily move unarmed observers into more secure positions.
i am sure that the hizbollah has very serious significant concern and considerations when they decided to fire so close to the UN position at isreali civilians.
The decision was made to move members of the Observer Group Lebanon (OGL) from patrol bases in the Marwahin and Markaba area into more secure UNIFIL positions as the mission reports increasingly intense exchanges of fire along the Blue Line of withdrawal between Israel and Lebanon. There were two direct hits on its bases in the past 24 hours from the Israeli side, and Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of five of its positions.
Beside the fatal attack on the patrol base at Khiyam, a military observer was seriously wounded by Hezbollah small arms fire on Sunday, and Assistant Secretary-General for Peacekeeping Operations Jane Holl Lute told the Security Council on Wednesday that observers may need to be consolidated to minimize further risk.
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The Fascism just canÂ’t be justified no matter what good excuses u have.
The day u committed Fascism, and went out without check, the other day uÂ’ll commit more at a higher level? Yes, they should go on as some dudes here suggested, ad the god is watching as well. So letÂ’s see how tragedies unfolded
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/133685.asp
More than 50 killed in Israeli 'massacre'
QANA (Lebanon) — At least 51 people — many of them children — were killed in an Israeli air blitz on the Lebanese village of Qana yesterday, triggering outrage across the region and warnings of retribution for Israel's "war crime".
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The raid on Qana, which left homes in ruins and villagers trapped under the rubble, was the deadliest single attack since Israel launched its devastating war on Hezbollah 19 days ago.
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Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denounced the attack as a "war crime", demanding an immediate ceasefire.
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In Beirut, a mob of angry demonstrators smashed into the UN building as thousands took to the streets in protest.
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"This horrible massacre, like the others, will not remain unpunished," threatened the Shia Muslim Hezbollah, while the ruling Palestinian Hamas movement warned that "all options were open" against Israel after it "crossed all red lines". — AFP
QANA (Lebanon) — At least 51 people — many of them children — were killed in an Israeli air blitz on the Lebanese village of Qana yesterday, triggering outrage across the region and warnings of retribution for Israel's "war crime".
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The raid on Qana, which left homes in ruins and villagers trapped under the rubble, was the deadliest single attack since Israel launched its devastating war on Hezbollah 19 days ago.
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Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denounced the attack as a "war crime", demanding an immediate ceasefire.
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In Beirut, a mob of angry demonstrators smashed into the UN building as thousands took to the streets in protest.
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"This horrible massacre, like the others, will not remain unpunished," threatened the Shia Muslim Hezbollah, while the ruling Palestinian Hamas movement warned that "all options were open" against Israel after it "crossed all red lines". — AFP
QANA (Lebanon) — At least 51 people — many of them children — were killed in an Israeli air blitz on the Lebanese village of Qana yesterday, triggering outrage across the region and warnings of retribution for Israel's "war crime".
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The raid on Qana, which left homes in ruins and villagers trapped under the rubble, was the deadliest single attack since Israel launched its devastating war on Hezbollah 19 days ago.
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Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denounced the attack as a "war crime", demanding an immediate ceasefire.
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In Beirut, a mob of angry demonstrators smashed into the UN building as thousands took to the streets in protest.
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"This horrible massacre, like the others, will not remain unpunished," threatened the Shia Muslim Hezbollah, while the ruling Palestinian Hamas movement warned that "all options were open" against Israel after it "crossed all red lines". — AFP
QANA (Lebanon) — At least 51 people — many of them children — were killed in an Israeli air blitz on the Lebanese village of Qana yesterday, triggering outrage across the region and warnings of retribution for Israel's "war crime".
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The raid on Qana, which left homes in ruins and villagers trapped under the rubble, was the deadliest single attack since Israel launched its devastating war on Hezbollah 19 days ago.
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Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora denounced the attack as a "war crime", demanding an immediate ceasefire.
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In Beirut, a mob of angry demonstrators smashed into the UN building as thousands took to the streets in protest.
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"This horrible massacre, like the others, will not remain unpunished," threatened the Shia Muslim Hezbollah, while the ruling Palestinian Hamas movement warned that "all options were open" against Israel after it
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It is alrite to express one's views on who is in the right or wrong in this latest skirmish in the middle east.
However, insults or comments about other forumites jus because their views may not coincide with yours is strongly discouraged. I hope to see a more conducive environment for discussion here. -
In my opinion, Israel has turned into a Fascist state a la Germany before WW2.
The ungrateful Zionists have forgotten it was their Arab brothers and fellow sons of Abraham who sheltered their forefathers from persecution by the Spaniards in the 15th century.
In fact, the Gospel of Matthew said that "his (Jesus') blood be on us (the Jews) and our descendants forever". On Good Friday 2000 years ago, Israel should have given up its sovereignity for good. -
Ironically, the victim of the fascist turns faster to be a fascist.
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Whoever wins, the noncombatants lose.
And I doubt this is exactly a land grab for the sake of it, or an excuse for an outing to expand their borders. It's more trouble and blood then it's worth and frankly I think everybody is quite tired of this settlement stuff. Maybe if Israeli civillians started settling there I might buy it, but right now it seems that this occupation is being done for military reasons. Which is an expected reaction from them actually...
Anyway I doubt clearer heads can be easily found in Isreal... it's easy to talk about the dangers of facism and the like when you are not being attacked by sucide bombers and surrounded by nations that don't exactly like having you around. But throw that all in one might see how people might be supportive of oppressive measures and responses... would you not be in their position as well?
And the Bolla guys aren't exactly heros either, given the fact they have taken great pains to make sure civillians were in the line of any return fire when they carry out their activities. Frankly I can't comprehend that kind of behaviour beyond the fact they simply don't care about nocombatants or are using them as pawns for their cause.