4 UN soldiers Died as “Save corporal” show continues
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Well, you did say "the Israelis have been taking the flak for everything"Originally posted by the Bear:hmm.. are we talking EVERYTHING here?
i would say that the Israelis keep quiet when it serves them.. and the reason they keep quiet about some things, are really sad...
and notice your reaction when i said they "keep quiet"
that is the reason why they would
Yes, totally agree with you when you say states stop conducting and supporting this lunacy, and that includes the Americans and their support of Israel while pretending to be an honest broker for peaceOriginally posted by the Bear:oh well.. whatever the hell we say, isn't going to change anything unless states stop supporting the lunacy which is happening there...
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Originally posted by tripwire:since you are so morally correct... would you do us the honor of telling the hizbollahs to stop using innocent people and neutral third party as shield for their endless rocketing on isreali civilians.
it would be morally wrong for you not to intervene... and go to lebanon.. and persuade the hizbollah.
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Typical petulant answer from tripwire when he's unable to debate on points.Originally posted by tripwire:since you are so morally correct... would you do us the honor of telling the hizbollahs to stop using innocent people and neutral third party as shield for their endless rocketing on isreali civilians.
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dont be navie. they dont spend so much money and effort for the 2 crap soliders, media is control by west. namely bush and his 'free world' lackeys the jews. they tell you what they want you to believe in.Originally posted by tripwire:its a harsh world... just dont be naive...
being soft.. is to invite death.
however... isreal should apologies and make reparation to the UN soldiers...
But isreal should NOT stop until its soldiers are returned...
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hi viper u think 2 jews life = hundreds of lebenon lifes acceptable?
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Hey killstyle, read my posts carefully before you start insulting ok?Originally posted by killstyle:hi viper u think 2 jews life = hundreds of lebenon lifes acceptable?
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IM VERY SORRY VIPER. THIS COMMENT SHOULD BE MEANT FOR TRIP WIRE THE DOG-HEAD.Originally posted by Viper52:Hey killstyle, read my posts carefully before you start insulting ok? -
how smart are you with such a comment? need i say more? i am entitiled to my opinion just as you are with yours...Originally posted by killstyle:IM VERY SORRY VIPER. THIS COMMENT SHOULD BE MEANT FOR TRIP WIRE THE DOG-HEAD.
and since when is right and wrong measured based on who lost more lives in a conflict? mr whatever.... -
dont be a fruit tart. in war, will you sacrifice your own soldiers life, just to appear civilised? what value do you place on your fellowman's live?Originally posted by Viper52:Interestingly the Ottawa Citizen article quoted by the Bear said, in it's last paragraph on Page 2
Even if your enemy are barbarians, theres no reason that, as a supposedly "civilized" state acting in "self-defence", you have to sink to that level. Just like targeting all ambulances in sight just because your enemy is low enough to use ambulances to transport arms. Just because the enemy does not respect the Red Cross, does not give you the excuse to do the same, especially when you're claiming the moral high ground
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19918297-5005961,00.html
if your enemy is not gonna respect the rules of engagement... with-holding and restricting your own forces options, would only emboldened the enemy to continue such dastardly practice and put more innocent life on the line, as they seek to explore other similar means. -
dont push it... we all have a choice on how we choose to respond to a question... not like everyone must march to your tune.Originally posted by Viper52:Typical petulant answer from tripwire when he's unable to debate on points. -
Sure, if you want to act petulant, its your perogative!Originally posted by tripwire:dont push it... we all have a choice on how we choose to respond to a question... not like everyone must march to your tune.
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you think right and wrong is determined by which side lost more lives?Originally posted by killstyle:hi (tripwire) u think 2 jews life = hundreds of lebenon lifes acceptable?
hmm... you got a dog head attach to your body?
hmm... arent you the naive one.
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same to your naiviety.Originally posted by Viper52:Sure, if you want to act petulant, its your perogative!
I never said you can't... 
we cant expect much from a fruit... can we? 
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Typical one track thinking. Its exactly why this world is messed up as it is.Originally posted by tripwire:dont be a fruit tart. in war, will you sacrifice your own soldiers life, just to appear civilised? what value do you place on your fellowman's live?
if your enemy is not gonna respect the rules of engagement... with-holding and restricting your own forces options, would only emboldened the enemy to continue such dastardly practice and put more innocent life on the line, as they seek to explore other similar means.
If your enemy does what Hezbollah is doing, it might seem at face value as restricting your options. But thinking smartly, it will also not rise up to the bait and do exactly what he wants you to do, killing innocents in this case and ending up with egg all over your face (blind US politicians aside). If you kill innocents, kena condemn for it and makes you appear callous, you think it'll stop them from doing it again?
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Hahaha...well I never stopped you from thinking what you think right?Originally posted by tripwire:same to your naiviety. we cant expect much from a fruit... can we?
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oh.. since you so smart... why dont you show us the light?Originally posted by Viper52:Typical one track thinking. Its exactly why this world is messed up as it is.
If your enemy does what Hezbollah is doing, it might seem at face value as restricting your options. But thinking smartly, it will also not rise up to the bait and do exactly what he wants you to do, killing innocents in this case and ending up with egg all over your face (blind US politicians aside). If you kill innocents, kena condemn for it and makes you appear callous, you think it'll stop them from doing it again?
Think man think! Or are you incapable of thinking beyond one dimension?
why not you tell us.. how would you fight the hizbollah if you are the isrealis, put yourself in their shoe and tell us.
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can we stop this stupid nut fruit competition... lets at least show some civility before we both ends up looking like hizbollah..Originally posted by Viper52:Hahaha...well I never stopped you from thinking what you think right? Numbnut -
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yes yes, fight fight bomb bomb kill kill...nothing else in tripwires eyes will do the trick except blind self-serving violence. As I've posted on the other Milnuts:Originally posted by tripwire:oh.. since you so smart... why dont you show us the light?
why not you tell us.. how would you fight the hizbollah if you are the isrealis, put yourself in their shoe and tell us.
i am sure we are all ears...
1) Limited strikes against Hezbollah's military structure to weaken it (with a more limited target list as compared to now)
2) Bolster support for the Lebanese government by persuading the US to support it more vigourously with finances etc to rebuild the economy and allow the government to take over the running of schools, hospitals etc, thereby making the people not so reliant on Hezbollah for this and weakening their grassroots support and eventually sidelining their political/social arm.
3) Arrange for a thrid party acceptable to both sides (Turkey for example?) to train and beef up the Lebanese government forces with a view of disarming the militants or integrating them into a Lebanese National Army
It will be a difficult and long term project, taking at least 5-10 years and probably resulting in violent spasms from Hezbollah as the plans take effect and they resist, but if successfully implemented, is the only viable long term option to stabilise Israel's northern flank and secure the lives of residents of the Galilee.
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The one who started the war asking for peace? Scroll up to see who fired the first insult between usOriginally posted by tripwire:can we stop this stupid nut fruit competition... lets at least show some civility before we both ends up looking like hizbollah.. -
firstly... i wish to say... i took pain in reading your suggestion... and while it might appear a tall wish list.. i sincerely hope that such an option is not only viable but successful.Originally posted by Viper52:yes yes, fight fight bomb bomb kill kill...nothing else in tripwires eyes will do the trick except blind self-serving violence. As I've posted on the other Milnuts:
1) Limited strikes against Hezbollah's military structure to weaken it (with a more limited target list as compared to now)
2) Bolster support for the Lebanese government by persuading the US to support it more vigourously with finances etc to rebuild the economy and allow the government to take over the running of schools, hospitals etc, thereby making the people not so reliant on Hezbollah for this and weakening their grassroots support and eventually sidelining their political/social arm.
3) Arrange for a thrid party acceptable to both sides (Turkey for example?) to train and beef up the Lebanese government forces with a view of disarming the militants or integrating them into a Lebanese National Army
It will be a difficult and long term project, taking at least 5-10 years and probably resulting in violent spasms from Hezbollah as the plans take effect and they resist, but if successfully implemented, is the only viable long term option to stabilise Israel's northern flank and secure the lives of residents of the Galilee.
If Israel is really interested in securing long term peace and security the only solution is diplomatic not military.
but wishful thinking aside... the reality is... the hizbollah has the support of syria and iran... they would not have any difficulty in maintaining their presence with or without lebanese govt support or otherwise.
question is... syria and iran... how are you gonna stop them from supporting the hizbollah for their own agenda, and keep their hands off lebanon? -
i wont even bother to scroll up... but i remember well.. that my first post on this thread was not directed against you...Originally posted by Viper52:The one who started the war asking for peace? Scroll up to see who fired the first insult between us
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BTW, officially UN does not recognise Hezbollah as a terrorist Org.. only the unsual suspect do.. namely Israel, USA and his side-kick UK..and afew more.Originally posted by tripwire:firstly... i wish to say... i took pain in reading your suggestion... and while it might appear a tall wish list.. i sincerely hope that such an option is not only viable but successful.
but wishful thinking aside... the reality is... the hizbollah has the support of syria and iran... they would not have any difficulty in maintaining their presence with or without lebanese govt support or otherwise.
question is... syria and iran... how are you gonna stop them from supporting the hizbollah.
You should read up more on MiddleEast History, Hezbollah was born out of resistance during their occupation by Israel for 18 yrs.. and was terrorise by their proxy the SLA. You can't call them Terrorist, even now since Israel still occupies the Sheeba Farms strip.
There are lebanese prisoners iin Israel prison without trials, therefore the abduction of the cpl was a legit military target.
On the argument that Syria and Iran supporting Hezbolla, strategically, what's wrong. Syria needs a buffer from Israel and Iran is already seperated by Iraq and Turkey. The talk of Iran supply rockets to Hezbollah is getting old.. hoe are they going to supply them.. thru Turkey or US conquered Iraq ???