Malaysian Navy to get 2 more Lekiu Frigates
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whatever it is, the RMN is still no longer a match for RSN..period.
unless some nuts have excessively wet dreams every night, the RSN could make toufu out of the RMN everytime. -
Sea power without air power is senseless
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Singapore`s strategies no longer revolves mainly around Malaysia and Indonesia. It`s not an insult. Singapore has better things to worry about given her newly expanded capabilities. It`s an evolution of years of investment in time, effort and money. It`s a result of changing geo-political dynamics. Where would Asean be if not for Singapore`s balancing act in various areas ? I mean it`s ridiculous thinking how far-fetched this sounds given the disparities in sizes. It becomes comical just seeing how some countries in this region try to react to Singapore`s shadow. You`d think it does`nt disrupt military plans(of others)..the flip-flopping and all? And you`d think we would want to reveal everything we have ? I dont think that`s far from the truth.
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Originally posted by Arthus79
I agree with you on the above point. Care to elaborate more on the strategies beyond Malaysia and Indonesia please?
Singapore`s strategies no longer revolves mainly around Malaysia and Indonesia. It`s not an insult. Singapore has better things to worry about given her newly expanded capabilities. It`s an evolution of years of investment in time, effort and money. It`s a result of changing geo-political dynamics.
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You know why they serve in UN peace keeping missions ?Originally posted by tankee1981:I mean seriously...are they that bad? After all these people have served in numerous UN peace-keeping missions...i mean that sure speaks something about their standards right?
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i never knew that MAF is edible.... maybe you can share your recipe.Originally posted by ferryman2393:really? i thought the SAF could eat the MAF for breakfast.
let alone the RMR.
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In terms of strategic warfare tactics, it's good to know and understand what others have in their arsenal, but there's always a saying: Never underestimate the enemy...
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Yes although i agree that SAF is superior in terms of equipment, organisation and communication. We still have our limitations for example as a conscript army our soldiers are less well trained in areas such as jungle survival skills and unarmed combat due to just 2 years of NS. I know for sure that generally their jungle survival skills is definitely better than ours and unarmed combat will definitely take more than 2 years to be proficient, what they are learning now are just the basics. Thus we must never underestimate any of our potential adversaries.
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I agree with you on the above point. Care to elaborate more on the strategies beyond Malaysia and Indonesia please?
Generally, growing Chinese and Indian aspirations have the potential to dis-stabilize SEA`s military equation.
The latter equation puts Singapore on top of most things in SEA and ensures that no power dominates SEA. To some extent, a benign US and lesser powers have allowed that to happen. But a rising China and India is changing that. And now, the threat of militant Islam is complicating issues.
Hence, Singapore is unabashedly making sure that the US stays here for good, if not the other powers. That would mean helping their stay here in SEA. Such a goal would also be cun-current with Singapore`s own goal of staying on top of both Malaysia and Indonesia.
In addition, Singapore`s own military would also have to play greater role with the changed variables. It would invariably involve increasing the SAF`s capability to provide calculated and decisive injections of military strength(passive or otherwise) where possible and diplomatic and financial support when not possible. The eventual aim is to ensure that no one dictates anything in SEA; the balance is kept.
It also means keeping Malaysia and Indonesia under wraps. We stay on top(of the rest) and we`ll be in good shape.
As an extension of Singapore`s diplomatic goals to engage other powers, expect the SAF to play an even greater role in peace-keeping actions when called upon. Needless to say, it`s not just humanitarian. Countries are not charities.
There are challenges to the game of the day no doubt. Myanmmar, for one, is annoying. However, we have been playing it well enough. But best not to take it for granted. -
we are a conventional force... what use is jungle survival skill to a conventional force that gets their supplies from a supply train??Originally posted by tankee1981:Yes although i agree that SAF is superior in terms of equipment, organisation and communication. We still have our limitations for example as a conscript army our soldiers are less well trained in areas such as jungle survival skills and unarmed combat due to just 2 years of NS. I know for sure that generally their jungle survival skills is definitely better than ours and unarmed combat will definitely take more than 2 years to be proficient, what they are learning now are just the basics. Thus we must never underestimate any of our potential adversaries.
jungle survival skill is only useful for SOF, COMMANDO and maybe scout and snipers... that operates in small groups...
the rest of us... unless we can eat the tree... the jungle wont be able to supply us our needed food.... neither do we have the spare time to go hunting either... and preparing, cooking raw food is simply out of the question. -
The hind side is that we are termed to parrot the US in many occasions. What if One day we disagree with the US, who wants to maintain a 50,000 troops base here ?? What do you think would happen ?Originally posted by Arthas79:Hence, Singapore is unabashedly making sure that the US stays here for good, if not the other powers. That would mean helping their stay here in SEA. Such a goal would also be cun-current with Singapore`s own goal of staying on top of both Malaysia and Indonesia.
While, India and China might off-set the military balance. On another note, they also keeps US in check.
Our Relationship with China and India isn't that bad at all. If not for the Fact that SG govt tends to be pro-US, China would infact support( in some ways) us, as we are dominately Ethnic Chinese society.
In the past, when chinese were persecuted in Indonesia in the 60s under suharto, only China sent ships to evacute them to Hainan or kwanTong.. don't remember which.
We saw the same thing happen in the Solomon Islands.. they even evac Taiwanese... as long as they are ethnic Chinese. While the Taiwanese Govt .. well.. errr.. didn't care much.
The Sino-Vietnam incursion in the 80's also were partly due to the fact the ethnic Chinese were persecuted in Vietnam. another was spratley Island chains. -
That's a load of bull.Originally posted by tripwire:we are a conventional force... what use is jungle survival skill to a conventional force that gets their supplies from a supply train??
jungle survival skill is only useful for SOF, COMMANDO and maybe scout and snipers... that operates in small groups...
the rest of us... unless we can eat the tree... the jungle wont be able to supply us our needed food.... neither do we have the spare time to go hunting either... and preparing, cooking raw food is simply out of the question.
In a small island like SIngapore of course you can always count on being resupplied.
But I think tankee1981 is talking about more than just eating when he mentioned jungle survival skill.
It means knowing and understanding the jungle environment well. It means being able to live and fight in the jungle, instead of being a complete alien in that environment. -
hahaha.... that's a very narrow definition of jungle survival - eating.Originally posted by tripwire:we are a conventional force... what use is jungle survival skill to a conventional force that gets their supplies from a supply train??
jungle survival skill is only useful for SOF, COMMANDO and maybe scout and snipers... that operates in small groups...
the rest of us... unless we can eat the tree... the jungle wont be able to supply us our needed food.... neither do we have the spare time to go hunting either... and preparing, cooking raw food is simply out of the question. -
napoleon said... army march on stomach... and i agreed with that man...Originally posted by moca:hahaha.... that's a very narrow definition of jungle survival - eating.
there is no point fighting on an empty stomach.
if you cant feed your army... your army is finished.
and if you think a conventional force got time to go hunting and cooking... think again...
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1st of all... he aint specific on what he means by jungle survival course...Originally posted by Daniel-Lim:That's a load of bull.
In a small island like SIngapore of course you can always count on being resupplied.
But I think tankee1981 is talking about more than just eating when he mentioned jungle survival skill.
It means knowing and understanding the jungle environment well. It means being able to live and fight in the jungle, instead of being a complete alien in that environment.
normal understanding on the term "survival" imply food and shelter then security.
jungle gourmet course for a conventional army?... no way old chump...
jungle warfare... definitely a must for conventional force... in our locality. -
What kind of soldier is a purely "conventional" and NEVER operate in small groups?Originally posted by tripwire:we are a conventional force...
jungle survival skill is only useful for SOF, COMMANDO and maybe scout and snipers... that operates in small groups...
As an ordinary infantry man, we sometimes operate in Brigade size and sometime as a section on patrol. Or sometimes as a squad of 2 or 3 as OP.
Or even if you start out big, you can end up alone if your platoon is nearly wiped out, or you got lost in the dark. Or you are an escaping POW etc etc.
Same reason why fighter pilots also need jungle survival skills.
And I emphasize again, jungle survival is NOT just about food. There are plenty of ways soldiers can die in the jungle before they die of hunger if they are not familiar enough with the jungle environment.
Like being shot if they don't know cover and concealment. Don't know how to move quietly. Don't know how to cross river. Drink the wrong water. etc etc... -
The man in the system , whether it be an infantryman or weapons systems
operator is the most critical element in a shooting war.
Read history on warfare & you will know that although technology can give an edge, it can also be counteracted with new tactics.
History is replete with examples of highly motivated and skilled individual warriors who overcome odds to beat a numerically or technologically superior
opponent. The warrior mentality, in my opinion, is crucial for success in battle.
Look at the Gurkhas, special forces operatives, guerillas etc. Combine the warrior mentality with technology, sound & updated doctrine, organizational & operational excellence and you have the formula to winning battles and wars.
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as an ordinary infantry.. you are never expected to operate beyond your units AO.Originally posted by moca:What kind of soldier is a purely "conventional" and NEVER operate in small groups?
As an ordinary infantry man, we sometimes operate in Brigade size and sometime as a section on patrol. Or sometimes as a squad of 2 or 3 as OP.
Or even if you start out big, you can end up alone if your platoon is nearly wiped out, or you got lost in the dark. Or you are an escaping POW etc etc.
Same reason why fighter pilots also need jungle survival skills.
And I emphasize again, jungle survival is NOT just about food. There are plenty of ways soldiers can die in the jungle before they die of hunger if they are not familiar enough with the jungle environment.
Like being shot if they don't know cover and concealment. Don't know how to move quietly. Don't know how to cross river. Drink the wrong water. etc etc...
OP, LP are still operated as part of the main unit... you are not commandos.
by your similar argument on POW and getting lost in the dark... all soldiers needs to be proficient from SAR-21, ulti100 to 84RR and mortar to SPIKE and MILAN, since there is always the possibility that "situation" may arise for them to use such weapons.
fighter pilots due to the nature of their job... have to go through survival course...
and i emphasize.... jungle gourmet course aint for everyone... but jungle warfare course... due to the nature of our local environment is neccessary. -
The man in the system , whether it be an infantryman or weapons systems
No professional armies poorly armed, organized and maintained don't. Conscripts have lived up to expectations and in many cases, did better than most professional armies. Most major wars would involve conscripts anyway.
operator is the most critical element in a shooting war.
Read history on warfare & you will know that although technology can give an edge, it can also be counteracted with new tactics.
History is replete with examples of highly motivated and skilled individual warriors who overcome odds to beat a numerically or technologically superior
opponent. The warrior mentality, in my opinion, is crucial for success in battle.
Look at the Gurkhas, special forces operatives, guerillas etc. Combine the warrior mentality with technology, sound & updated doctrine, organizational & operational excellence and you have the formula to winning battles and wars.
Conscripts unfortunately do not have a good track record in winning battles.
At any rate, how do you define conscripts? The conscript forces of Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, for example, can literally 'own' the professional forces of many countries. Will the conscript forces of a particular country which are better educated perform better than one who can barely read? Will the soldiers of a country with a less than a billion USD dollars in budget perform better than the one with better budget? Are you a professional soldier if you are recruited and fight for two years as a professional in the army for a war your country is engaged in and resign after that? Or were you a conscript?
As you say, the man in the loop matters most; it is how they are trained and used which is critical.
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A lot depends on the commander as well.
If ur commander panic when the 1st bullet start to fly. no matter how well equipped or trained u r, chances of getting out alife is slim, whereas if ur commander is steady & experience & knows how to motivate his men, a normal unit can sometimes out perform a regular unit.
My unit OC can do very well in his IPPT, but screwed up whenever we go for execises. Once he put on his helmet & SBO, he can't think! He panic & becomes stone when the action starts. Hope no war happens during my times, if not, probably the whole unit will go up the lorry becos of him. -
Ooops!! its drifting lolx
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Originally posted by glock
I beg to defer. The IDF is a good modern example of a predominantly conscript army but wining battles. The Japanese in Imperial Japan and US troops from USA during WW2 is also another example. The conscript army of Soviet Union also push the Nazis back to Berlin.
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with the saf, failure could also turn success...Originally posted by moca:If it was the SAF, there would be probably be news blackout of such failures etc.
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Recent history - WW1 to present - shows that conscripts fight as well as any professional force if the safety of their homeland is threatened directly or indirectly.Originally posted by tankee1981:I beg to defer. The IDF is a good modern example of a predominantly conscript army but wining battles. The Japanese in Imperial Japan and US troops from USA during WW2 is also another example. The conscript army of Soviet Union also push the Nazis back to Berlin.
Morale plays a huge role.