M-16A2 in SAF service?
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Any of you saw the ST Engineering 1-page ad on 1 Jul congratulating the SAF on SAF Day?
Did you notice the M-16 rifles carried by the SF (?) in the ad? They looked like M-16A2s! Anyone noticed that ad?
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I brought it up a few months back with a smiliar photo that was seen in pioneer mag. Everyone told me not to believe what I see... Duh!
Aiyah, we probably have a few stashed away somewhere.
Or perhaps this are the same guys who went to train in the States and borrowed rifles from the Marines when they were at 29 Palms. -
I noticed that too. I guess its just for a photoshoot so it is most probably not being used or widely used in SAF itself. One reason why the M16A2 is used for this picture maybe becuse it is certainly of a newer design as compared to the M16S1, therefore it will generate a more modern image of SAF.
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In other words.....Originally posted by tankee1981:I noticed that too. I guess its just for a photoshoot so it is most probably not being used or widely used in SAF itself. One reason why the M16A2 is used for this picture maybe becuse it is certainly of a newer design as compared to the M16S1, therefore it will generate a more modern image of SAF.
*plays wayang kulit music*
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MY GOODNESS! The MINDEF or ST PR Machinery 'boi Paiseh'? , even resort to such 'propaganda' methods to showcase a MODERNOriginally posted by tankee1981:...I guess its just for a photoshoot so... the M16A2 is used for this picture ...generate a more modern image of SAF. 
SAF!
I thought our N neighbours PR machine is adept at that and I tend to take their announcements with a pinch of salt, but MINDEF or even ST? SHAME ON YOU.
Hey, how about in order to showcase an EVEN MORE POTENT SAF, why not in future, attach a pic of a Topol-M in the launch position behind a crouching commando? -
If you look veeeery closely at the M16A2 rifles in the ad, you can see the words Tokyo Marui stamped on the lower receiver.
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seems like some1 has a problem wif a modern SAF?
wanna compare with our northern neighbors? kindly state what u want to compare? -
saw a picture of our troops wearing the interceptor body armour(maybe PASGT) vest complete wif neck and groin protection and protecting goggles...seems that we are importing a fair amount of US equipment.
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Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
If you look veeeery closely at the M16A2 rifles in the ad, you can see the words [b]Tokyo Marui stamped on the lower receiver.[/b]
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Hmm, where did you see that? Could you give us a link, I'm very curious.Originally posted by S@mz_Rev0LuT|on:saw a picture of our troops wearing the interceptor body armour(maybe PASGT) vest complete wif neck and groin protection and protecting goggles...seems that we are importing a fair amount of US equipment. -
Actually, I'm not so sure that is the case. If they really wanted to portray a modern image SAF, they would have opted for a shot with the SAR21 )with the LADs all lit up) which is they pride and joy and supposedly more modern no?Originally posted by tankee1981:I noticed that too. I guess its just for a photoshoot so it is most probably not being used or widely used in SAF itself. One reason why the M16A2 is used for this picture maybe becuse it is certainly of a newer design as compared to the M16S1, therefore it will generate a more modern image of SAF.
The more I think about it, the borrowed weopons for overseas exercise seems likely. -
Maybe the M16A2s are fresh stock kept for times of real conflict? I wouldn't be surprised.Originally posted by insouciant:Actually, I'm not so sure that is the case. If they really wanted to portray a modern image SAF, they would have opted for a shot with the SAR21 )with the LADs all lit up) which is they pride and joy and supposedly more modern no?
The more I think about it, the borrowed weopons for overseas exercise seems likely.
After all, IMT training rifles are M16A2, with their mechanisms stripped. -
My sentiments exactly! Wouldn't a portrayal with SAR-21s with all the LADs all lit up a pretty good representation of a modern SAF infantryman?Originally posted by insouciant:Actually, I'm not so sure that is the case. If they really wanted to portray a modern image SAF, they would have opted for a shot with the SAR21 )with the LADs all lit up) which is they pride and joy and supposedly more modern no? ...[/
I was more surprised given that it was STE (being the manufacturer of the SAR-21) wouldn't be proud of having their own design weaponry being graced on a 1-page ad instead? -
surprise me if we go with the M16A2. remeber that the A2 have a 1:7 barrel twist and will not fire the 55 grain M193 ammo very well! it shoots perfect on the M855 or SS109!
SO , unless Singapore adopt the new ammo!
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That would be great wouldn't it? We can but dream.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Maybe the M16A2s are fresh stock kept for times of real conflict? I wouldn't be surprised.
After all, IMT training rifles are M16A2, with their mechanisms stripped.
But I doubt it. With the SAF intent on switching to the SAR21, it doesn't really make sense to buy another model of M16. Especially as they would have to switch ammo as well?
Perhaps its for the SOF people. They probably have a separate budget to buy stuff they want and might have decided the prefer the M16A2 overthe SAR21.
But I'll still bet on my "borrowed" weopons for overseas training theory. -
sry for the poor quality...sry they're not using interceptor..well atleast SG's trying to imitate it -
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Think that is the new vest that is supposed to replace the SBO.
Interesting how the guy in the middle doesn't have camo on his face. -
If we bought them, it would be logical because the M16A2 was in service since the 1980s.Originally posted by insouciant:That would be great wouldn't it? We can but dream.
But I doubt it. With the SAF intent on switching to the SAR21, it doesn't really make sense to buy another model of M16. Especially as they would have to switch ammo as well?
Perhaps its for the SOF people. They probably have a separate budget to buy stuff they want and might have decided the prefer the M16A2 overthe SAR21.
But I'll still bet on my "borrowed" weopons for overseas training theory.
That would have been before the development of the SAR21. Then again, more rifles in the inventory never hurt anyone.
But your theory could be valid too.Perhaps that picture was taken abroad at 29 Palms. -
Back in the late 80's I saw a picture in TIME magazine about the conflict there and it showed a Croatian Guardsman slingling an Ultimax with drum magazine behind his back. I still have that magazine cut out somewhere at home.Originally posted by insouciant:I brought it up a few months back with a smiliar photo that was seen in pioneer mag. Everyone told me not to believe what I see... Duh!
I asked one officer that worked for CIS about it during reservist. He smiled and looked away - his rank giving him the privilege of not having to answer a over-inquisitive corporal (me).
It opened my eyes to the extensiveness of our arms sales around the world. -
Guys... the M-16A2 is CRAP!!!!Originally posted by insouciant:That would be great wouldn't it? We can but dream.
It is 3-round burst - no full auto.
M-16S1 anytime. -
Is the picture below a SAR-80 rifle? if so, it is time we seriously look into our policy of arms exports. We can't possibly go sell our arms to nations taking part in ethnic wars!
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originally posted by equlus84
To be realistic, there is no way we can predict when or where ethnic wars are going to take place. We can't really tell if our Singapore-made weapons will be use to kill innocent people and the act being taken on tv or photos 10 years down the road.
Is the picture below a SAR-80 rifle? if so, it is time we seriously look into our policy of arms exports. We can't possibly go sell our arms to nations taking part in ethnic wars!
Further more i think we cannot control the use of the weapon after it is being sold simply because it doesn't belong to us anymore. -
Originally posted by moca
Actuallly i don't see the need for the M16 to be able to fire auto simply because its a terrible waste of ammo due to the inaccuracy of fire. Thats the reason why the newer M16A2 do not hve this function.
Guys... the M-16A2 is CRAP!!!!
It is 3-round burst - no full auto.
M-16S1 anytime.
In the SAF we are never taught to fire auto with M16S1 due to the above reasons. Lets leave the auto firing to the GPMG and the Ultimax 100. -
Those, and the ultimax 100, the armbrusts, amongst others were sold before there was any conflict.Originally posted by equlus84:Is the picture below a SAR-80 rifle? if so, it is time we seriously look into our policy of arms exports. We can't possibly go sell our arms to nations taking part in ethnic wars!