Sg think Ballistic missiles defence sys
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That is quite interesting.
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Originally posted by ChineseJunk
I wonder what sort of cooperation we can engage with the North Koreans. North Korea pretty much have nothing which will interest that of the Singapore government in a conventional setting as Singapore is usually interested in establishing stronger trade ties with foreign countries. Further more with an economy in shambles, there is no much to invest in too.
The two sides will hold discussions on "bilateral cooperation,";
said the official who hung up when asked for his name.
North Korea is known to export drugs, missile technology and counterfeit notes. As for nuclear technology, maybe not at the moment. Of all the above mentioned exports i think our government is more likely to be interested in cooperating with them over missile and maybe even nuclear technology. We will mainly provide the funding and they the expertise. Hows that sound? Feasible?
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We have Israel for all those neat stuffs. But the North Koreans are kindda more desparate though.
This certainly came out of the blue. I would like to think we do it at the behest of another government or governments; to induce consultations after the failure to do so at official levels.
On the other hand, we could do it voluntarily and increase our leverage and bargaining power vis-a-vis other nations which matter more to us. Im trying to draw a parallel with our relationship with China when she was under Jiang and Zhu Rongji in the early years and the United States. Or Taiwan and PRC. We did hold ice-breaking talks for the two in 1993 here in Singapore. -
It's more a buddy-buddy talk. I think its also a fishing expedition by our leaders to assess the general feel and intentions of the NK leaders. Also noted was the implicit security of Singapore.
Singapore backs peaceful resolution of Korean nuke situation
By Farah Abdul Rahim, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 01 August 2006 1936 hrs
Singapore supports the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula through peaceful and diplomatic means.
It also calls on North Korea to return to the six-party talks to resolve the issue.
This was reiterated by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to North Korean Foreign Minister Paek Nam Sun who called on him at the Istana on Tuesday.
Mr Paek exchanged views with Mr Lee on the situation in the Korean Peninsula.
He also updated Mr Lee on North Korea's position on its nuclear programme.
The two leaders said there is a good relationship between Singapore and North Korea and agreed that there is scope to strengthen bilateral cooperation.
The North Korean minister, who is in Singapore on a three-day official visit, also called on Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.
They had a frank and candid exchange of views on North Korea's nuclear programme and its implications for regional security, and the current status of the six-party talks.
Mr Paek also met his Singapore counterpart Foreign Minister George Yeo.
They discussed ways to expand bilateral interactions and also exchanged views on the various meetings at the ASEAN Regional Forum and the recent missile tests by North Korea. - CNA/ir -
We are moving up the power play and influence projection here. We are not in their direct sphere of security impact, though we are affected by instability up North?
Bilateral to Trilateral perhaps? A Singapore Round in the next 3 years?
It indeed looks like we might be doing some "chicken rice or bak chor mee" diplomacy. If it helps to smooth things out, why not. -
What kind of influence do we have? North Korea parking their money here? Super express oil delivery? Get them addicted to chilli crab?Originally posted by LazerLordz:We are moving up the power play and influence projection here. We are not in their direct sphere of security impact, though we are affected by instability up North?
Bilateral to Trilateral perhaps? A Singapore Round in the next 3 years?
It indeed looks like we might be doing some "chicken rice or bak chor mee" diplomacy. If it helps to smooth things out, why not.
I don't think so. -
today 29.08.2006 STimes get an report for this.
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I think it is quite an urgent need to have an anti-missile defence in Sg.
Minister of Defense Teo says the purchase has to cater up threats up to 20 years down the road.
In the whole ST Article, there was only a casual 1-liner mention of our neighbour's Astro rockets as a potential threat. But I think it is enough.
Astro or any long-range rockets are a threat to damaging our airforces' runways and we shouldn't ignore this threat or we'll be shoting ourselves.
The article also mentioned possible anti-missile missile systems currently in the market--US Patriot and Standard Missile (sea-based) and Israel's Arrow. So fast already a shortlisting round?
The article also quoted an air-defense expert the advantage of having air-defense linked satellite detection to buy longer reaction time. If like that, Sg also have to buy satellite detection capabilities liao. -
Meanwhile, in North Asia......
U.S. missile defense ship arrives in Japan
By Isabel Reynolds
Reuters
Tuesday, August 29, 2006; 2:23 AM
YOKOSUKA, Japan (Reuters) - The USS Shiloh, the first missile defense-capable ship to be deployed in Japan, arrived in the port of Yokosuka on Tuesday, eight weeks after North Korea unnerved the region with a barrage of missile tests.
White-clad sailors lined the decks of the 10,000-tonne cruiser as it pulled slowly into the U.S. naval base 45 km (30 miles) southwest of Tokyo, to be greeted with a Japanese-style taiko drum performance by U.S. seamen.
The deployment of the Shiloh, boasting Standard Missile-3 interceptors for shooting down medium-range ballistic missiles, is a symbolic first step in a joint U.S.-Japanese program to try to shield Japan and the region from missile attack.
"The United States remains committed to the defense of Japan and peace and stability in the western Pacific," visiting U.S. Navy Secretary Donald Winter said in a speech at the dockside welcome ceremony.
The two allies stressed the significance of the ship's arrival as an example of the United States' strong security alliance with Japan, although the chances of preventing a missile attack on the country with a single vessel are slim.
North Korea condemned U.S. missile defense plans.
"The scheme of the U.S. war-thirsty quarters to deploy dense MD (missile defense) networks in the U.S. mainland, Japan and the Pacific reveals their wild ambition to rule the world by strength," Pyongyang's KCNA news agency reported the official Rodong Sinmun newspaper as saying in a commentary on Tuesday.
"No country in the world threatens the U.S. with missiles," it added.
In July, Pyongyang test-fired a series of ballistic missiles, an incident that drew attention to Japan's lack of defense systems eight years after Tokyo was spooked by a previous North Korean ballistic missile test in 1998.
Many analysts, however, have cast doubt on whether missile defense systems can reliably shoot down incoming missiles, and they criticize the program for drawing funds away from other areas of defense spending.
Missile defense accounts for 140 billion yen ($1.2 billion) of Japan's 4.81 trillion yen ($41 billion) defense budget this year.
The defense agency plans to seek a record 219 billion yen for missile defense in the fiscal year from next April 1, Kyodo news agency reported, although such requests are usually whittled down in the budget process.
As a second line of defense, the U.S. military will begin to install Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) interceptors at its Kadena Air Base on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa in September and plans to make them partly operational by the end of the year.
The ship-to-air SM-3 interceptors are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles in mid-flight, when they fly outside the earth's atmosphere, while ground-based PAC-3 interceptors target missiles in their terminal phase, shortly before they reach their targets.
Japan, whose pacifist constitution restricts the activities of its armed forces, relies on the United States for much of its defense capability, playing host to about 50,000 military personnel.
But Tokyo plans to install its own missile defense hardware, including fitting its four Aegis radar system-equipped warships with SM-3s.
"This is just a beginning," Japanese Foreign Ministry official Chikao Kawai said at the Yokosuka ceremony. "We need more capability. We need to speed up the deployment of additional equipment."
Kyodo said the United States had offered to provide Japan with up to 80 more Patriot missiles, as Japan seeks to speed up its own deployment of ground-based interceptor missiles.
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Well, the Singapore Navy is already looking at the replacement for our corvettes, wouldn't be surprising if the look at incorporating SAM that has better capability against medium and short range ballistic missles.
We're probably also looking at the i-Hawk replacement as that is also getting a tad old as well. Maybe if we are lucky we will get a sea and land based solution, maybe using different missles but integrated all the same.
As for early warning.. isn't Singapore already working on satellite technology? Infra-red sensors in space, especially one that can detect the massive heat bloom of a ballistic missile shouldn't be too hard to build. The Americans developed that technology decades ago. Even if they don't share it with us, it shouldn't take us too long to develop by improving on commercial off-the-shelf solutions or hiring engineers to help us.
And yeah, I think the threat we are looking at it is not just the North Koreans. TCH making the annoucement is definitely a pre-cursor of what is to come in terms of what we are aquiring.. probably really soon. The announcement was just to prepare the ground for various audiences.
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The ST article yesterday by David Boey mentioned that we can have two methods of tackling the threat of ballistic missiles. One is to have a sea-based platform and the other is land based system. I think it will be a combination of both.
Our frigates are armed with Aster 15 missiles which can take down ballistic missiles. I think there is room for upgrade to Aster 30 to increase the range for greater defence. The article mentioned about Standard Missile being a possible option.
I think SAF is at the stage of deciding which land based missile defence system to take up. The 2 land-based options listed in the same article include Patriot and Arrow systems. I think we will most likely be acquiring Arrow to complement and eventually replace the role of the I-Hawk missiles.
The article also touch on the threat of rocket artillery with the example of the Astros II MRLS operated by MAF. I am not sure if it is a cost effective method or even possible for Arrow,Patriot,Aster 15 or SM to shoot down these much shorter ranged unguided rockets. Assuming those are not cost effective then using a further developed THEL such as the MTHEL may be a good idea.
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Green Pine radar system with the Arrow ABM system to replace the i-HAWK, and the MTHEL/Skyguard for VSHORADs role?
Costly, but I have to say, it would be a very powerful deterrent.
The cheaper solution would be to upgrade the Deltas with Aster 30, and use them to provide an Air Defence cover from the sea. -
ya... what if it ends up in kl or jb? malu sia.Originally posted by dork3d:Come to think of it, how accurate is their Taepodong missiles in hitting selected targets?
that mad man's people even more funny. On Discovery Channel about North Korea, one mother was telling her daughter while watching soldier march pass at their national day parade, " look, our amry will scare the hell out of the american if they see this!". wah my jaws almost drop. -
Hmmm....... they are replacing the corvettes? I thought they are recently commisioned? Not cost efficient leh, are they built as stop gap soln or isit the top weight issue? Is RSN planning for larger ships, perhaps in the 130m++ size? Bcos our Formidables are multi role, thus I think there is still room for anti-sub versions or perhaps a light air defence destroyer?Originally posted by insouciant:Well, the Singapore Navy is already looking at the replacement for our corvettes, wouldn't be surprising if the look at incorporating SAM that has better capability against medium and short range ballistic missles.
We're probably also looking at the i-Hawk replacement as that is also getting a tad old as well. Maybe if we are lucky we will get a sea and land based solution, maybe using different missles but integrated all the same.
As for early warning.. isn't Singapore already working on satellite technology? Infra-red sensors in space, especially one that can detect the massive heat bloom of a ballistic missile shouldn't be too hard to build. The Americans developed that technology decades ago. Even if they don't share it with us, it shouldn't take us too long to develop by improving on commercial off-the-shelf solutions or hiring engineers to help us.
And yeah, I think the threat we are looking at it is not just the North Koreans. TCH making the annoucement is definitely a pre-cursor of what is to come in terms of what we are aquiring.. probably really soon. The announcement was just to prepare the ground for various audiences. -
The corvettes were built in the 80s. By the time the specs are finalized, designs completed, tender/selection process, building, and commisioning, it would be well into the 2010s already. Making the corvettes 30 years or older.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmmm....... they are replacing the corvettes? I thought they are recently commisioned? Not cost efficient leh, are they built as stop gap soln or isit the top weight issue? Is RSN planning for larger ships, perhaps in the 130m++ size? Bcos our Formidables are multi role, thus I think there is still room for anti-sub versions or perhaps a light air defence destroyer?
Look at how long the RSAF took to select the F15.
I wouldn't plan on ships too much bigger that the current frigates tho. Amongst the problems are manpower, and of course, not worrying our neighbours too much.
Maybe it might get a tad bigger, but they will probably be still termed as "frigates" ~ altho tat doesn't mean very much in today's naval world. -
This might be of interest to you...
The HNLMS Tromp, one of the Royal Netherlands Navy's four LCF air defence frigates, will take part in a US Navy exercise in coming November off Hawaii. The role for the Dutch ship to play in this exercise is to provide early warning to US participants with its SMART-L long-range 3D radar.
The ship's SMART-L radar has already received 'Extended Long Range' modifications to increase the probability of detection against ballistic missile-type targets. An Aegis cruiser will assume the role of shooter with SM-3 missiles. When facing ballistic missile threats, the SMART-L may 'stare' in the direction where the missiles would come from, not rotating at all.
In a scenario the Dutch envisioned, an air defence frigate stationed off the Dutch coast could cover the whole of the Netherlands, Belgium, part of northeast France and part of southeast England against ballistic missiles fired from Iran. The Iranian missile was detected while flying over the Czech Republic and shot down over Germany in the scenario.
Below is Thales Nederland's press release about the upcoming test.
http://www.thales-naval.com/naval/newsroom/naval-press-clips-06/press-060110.htm
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Sunho