Sg think Ballistic missiles defence sys
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Sg Defense Minister Teo said It is prudent to consider defense against threat of ballistic missiles.
STimes etc 01.july 2006.
Sg falls within the rings of range of these missiles from more countries,
incl NKorea,he said.
pl quote the STimes etc here.
2.the cost of the joint development estimated at one billion to 1.2 billion dollars over nine years
3. How US missile defence system works
The SM-3 is part of an anti-missile shield which also includes the land-based surface-to-air PAC-3.
SM-3s intercept ballistic missiles when they reach their highest point outside of the atmosphere and PAC-3 missiles are used to destroy missiles that evade SM-3 interceptions.
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North Korea warned about missile
5.In about 1986,Sg spent the then good US$800m to buy 4 E2C AEW.
This is the then annual defence budget .
6.Shall we wait to be threatened then act or we act now?
This is a biilions dollars question and headache.
i bet with u Sg will go ahead to build on its own or tie up with
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what are the options available to us??
more specifically... what ABM are there out in the market?
is THAAD ready?
given that we opted for the slyver on our frigate... i think we can kiss STANDARD 3 bye bye... unless we wanna end up with a frigate with 2 launcher system. not even sure can fit or not....
maybe buy a new class of ship with STANDARD? or land base the standard missile?
patriot.... a single line defence against nuke capable ICBM... hardly prudent.
Add a S400 system to complement the patriot? can link up or not.....
ARROW 2? isreali system.... hmmm.....
but seriously... we need to find a way to prevent those missile from launching at us... otherwise.. we cannot simply be on the recieving side for long....
we need some serious ICBM of our own to deter the enemy... given that is not probable... we need long range bombers... also out of the question...
load our A380 with tons of FAE and remote crash into kims' palace... sure will scare the shit out of him....
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i just realise something....
unless we put our ABM on a ship and use it to intercept incoming missile from south china sea....
any land base ABM lauched against an incoming enemy missile is gonna end up smashing into the house of some poor malaysian farmer...
unless the missile is from malaysia.. then maybe ok... otherwise.. malaysia is gonna get caught in a missile duel rain between singapore and anyone north of malaysia... -
Originally posted by tripwire
Sounds familiar...err...you by any chance from JI or Al Queda?
load our A380 with tons of FAE and remote crash into kims' palace... sure will scare the %!#^ out of him....
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Originally posted by lionnoisy
First of all i will like to thank lionnoisy for his informative posts!
6.Shall we wait to be threatened then act or we act now?
This is a biilions dollars question and headache.
i bet with u Sg will go ahead to build on its own or tie up with
frens.
I think if Mindef want something bad enough they will sure get it as demonstrated by buying the 4 E-2Cs with the annual defence budget of that year.
The chances of Singapore going ahead alone is close to zero because we have no experience in this field at least not officially. Maybe we will like to cooperate with the Israelis with the Arrow missiles. Looks more promising and i think cheaper than the Patriots. -
(SG Defence Minister )Mr Teo said: "If you look at North Korea, they are testing longer and longer range missiles. South Asia also, various countries have developed longer range missiles. We don't expect they'll be a direct threat to us, but the fact of the matter is we are within their range rings. Prior to that, we were not.
--- Posted: 01 July 2006 2336 hrs CNAsia
"So if you're prudent, you'll take that into account. What it does mean is that when we define our next generation of air defence systems, we'll have to see to what extent we need to take into account the ability to detect, protect against systems of this type.".....
....MINDEF is also looking into the possibility of replacing or augmenting aging equipment such as the E2-C Hawkeye which has been in service since the 1980s.
But the effectiveness of the SAF is bringing these different weapon systems across the Army, Navy and Air Force together.
2.Sg hv started related programmes,may be unintentionally.
2.1Defence engineers have also been working on the Lalee, or low altitude long-enduring endurance, a large aircraft that can fly unmanned or be piloted manually.
------DSTA harnesses cutting edge technology to develop unmanned ground vehicle
It is designed to fly at around 18,000m(59,000 sf), above the airways and below satellite surveillance systems, possibly serving as an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system, to provide continuous coverage over a large area.
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----Prof Lui Pao Chuen,SG Chief Defence Scientist
LALEE
We have just completed a 3 year long study of LALEE which is an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system designed to provide continuous temporal coverage over a very large area. Providing a task group operating in the littorals with continuous surveillance from the air with this class of UAV will be considerably cheaper than operating current generation of surveillance and communications platforms. The technology is there but whether Navies will to want to invest in this class of UAV will depend on their perceived need for a continuous coverage platform.
Naval Platform Technology Seminar 10th May 2001.
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Coninceidentaly,US also calling for tenders.This project is associated with Lockheed's High Altitude Airship program, which is intended to soar at over 65,000 feet for over a month at a time, and could also play a significant role in ballistic missile and cruise missile defense.
4.The LALEE -Low Altitude Long Enduring
Endurance aircraft is a good example of such
an aircraft. It has an operating ceiling of 60,000 feet
and an endurance of up to 18 hours. This means that
it is able to provide continuous surveillance over very large areas,
making it suitable for tri-service usage for armed forces through
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will USA's National Missile Defence System b able to protect sg?
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Originally posted by mr sotong
Don't think so. The only asian countries in this protective umbrella should be Japan and ROC. South Korea i am not sure.
will USA's National Missile Defence System b able to protect sg? -
Why would North Korea's Kim Dynasty fire at Singapore's Lee Dynasty?
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becos we fail to pay big brother kim his monthly protection(blackmail) money?Originally posted by MrFugue:Why would North Korea's Kim Dynasty fire at Singapore's Lee Dynasty?
that man is mad... if he can blackmail US for money... what makes you think he is gonna let a fat piece of meat like singapore off his sight? -
Come to think of it, how accurate is their Taepodong missiles in hitting selected targets?Originally posted by tripwire:becos we fail to pay big brother kim his monthly protection(blackmail) money?
that man is mad... if he can blackmail US for money... what makes you think he is gonna let a fat piece of meat like singapore off his sight? -
1. ABM defence is only workable when you have launch alert. You need a network of satellites with IR sensors. The only country with an operational system is the US. IIRC, the Russian satellite system is on the blink.
2. Standard missiles are way too long to fit into Sg Navy's ships.
3. Patriot missile system. A system that will shoot down patriots.
4. S-400? Possible. A long range system based in tiny Singapore, it will be considered as a strategic weapon. Field Defence Sqdn is going to have field day. -
its true that ABM works best with satellite support... this we can ask the americans or maybe the ISREAL's OFEQ if its possible to provide us with the early warning.
but the main problem now for singapore is ... if NK tomolo shoots at us... who is capable of stopping their rocket from hitting us?
i doubt PRC has the ability ... and i seriously doubt the american is capable of stopping it.. unless the they got a cruiser or two just happen to be at the right place...
otherwise... unless we take an active stand and do something about it... we are little more then live target board.
and lastly... i doubt american or PRC or USSR or even japan would go to war against NK to disarm the regime because poor singapore got pounded by afew taepodong... -
More on what Teo said
"We are inside the range rings of more and more countries that have missiles of various kinds, so we have to take that into account when we design our future air defence systems -- our radars, our missiles, our air defence fighters," Teo Chee Hean said in an interview with the Straits Times.
2.Missiles Defence
"We don't expect that they will be a direct threat to us. But the fact of the matter is that we are now within their range rings when, prior to that, we were not," he said without naming any countries.
"So this is something which, if we're prudent, we will take into account."
"At a higher level, what we see as changes to the security landscape are things like the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the proliferation of missiles with longer ranges -- ballistic missiles, cruise missiles," Teo said.
Source: Agence France-Presse
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Israel and USA to Jointly Develop SRBM Missile Defense----short-range ballistic missile,
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I wonder about the timing of TCH's comments on the BMD system.
What we see on public speeches is usually the tip of the iceberg, sanitised for public viewing, letting ooh and aah.
The threat is real.I must say, and it is prudent to have at least a system that can defend ourselves, not just from NK, but from any BM threat. -
If North Korea ever launches that ICBM, don't rely on US or Japan doing any kind of intercept.
The North Koreans ain't so stupid to overfly over highly populate areas. They have an inferiority complex. Fear of being invaded.
1. What happens if there is a clear miss?
2. What happens if there is a near miss and cause the missile/payload to go off course and crash into civilian zone?
3. What happens if it is a hit and cause the debri to drop into civilian zone?
4. If it is a clear hit and no collateral damage, everybody rejoice lah. -
Dun believe everything that was said officially.
Ballistics defence against NKorean?!?
Heck PRC has missile that could hit SG decades ago!!!
I believe it is more for regional threats than from East Asia.
Indonesia has ever shown interests in getting Scud missiles long time ago, plus recent event of Indonesia getting long range rockets technology from PRC .
So has Indonesia possessed BM, I dunno, but Indon has never hide their interest on such weapon.
Likewise, MY's Astros launchers could also be use for tactical missile from Brazil, but the development of such missile in Brazil still on-going I think, but it does not mean that it will never happen.
And then recent interest of BrahMos by MY.
Therefore, the way I see , it is more abt future regional threats than that of East Asia. -
My take is on the Aster 30s or Meads. Most likely the Land SAAM AD (SAMP/T) consisting of the Aster 30 missiles. Certainly not an over-kill as opposed to the Arrow. Range is good. At 100km max range, it is lesser than the old Bloodhounds no? We had`nt have a replacement for the Bloodhounds...not with that kind of range anyway.
And it has anti-tactical ballistic missile capability as well. In addition, we already have Aster 15s. In the event that the Formidables are made out to carry the Aster 30s, there would not be a transitional problem.
http://www.eurosam.com/ground/index.htm
I suppose it is possible to combine both the Aster 15s and 30s to provide an island-wide umbrella protection at two different tiers. Perhaps, a lower 3rd tier made up of our rapiers or something new? That would be a formidable shield..coupled with our hardened runaways and bunkers
The defence minister mentioned that it ought to last another 20 years at the onset of inception. An entirely new system then.... -
I beg to differ. I choose to see us as a node, in a US-Western defence umbrella in South East Asia.Originally posted by gary1910:Dun believe everything that was said officially.
Ballistics defence against NKorean?!?
Heck PRC has missile that could hit SG decades ago!!!
I believe it is more for regional threats than from East Asia.
Indonesia has ever shown interests in getting Scud missiles long time ago, plus recent event of Indonesia getting long range rockets technology from PRC .
So has Indonesia possessed BM, I dunno, but Indon has never hide their interest on such weapon.
Likewise, MY's Astros launchers could also be use for tactical missile from Brazil, but the development of such missile in Brazil still on-going I think, but it does not mean that it will never happen.
And then recent interest of BrahMos by MY.
Therefore, the way I see , it is more abt future regional threats than that of East Asia.
Stranger things have happened.. -
Singapore as the American's lapdog, yeah right.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I beg to differ. I choose to see us as a node, in a US-Western defence umbrella in South East Asia.
Stranger things have happened.. -
2.Aster is capable of evolving in the direction of an antiballistic role in the future. The missile would be able to deal with ballistic missiles with a range of 1,000 km as they reenter the atmosphere.Originally posted by Arthas79:My take is on the Aster 30s or Meads. Most likely the Land SAAM AD (SAMP/T) consisting of the Aster 30 missiles. Certainly not an over-kill as opposed to the Arrow. Range is good. At 100km max range, it is lesser than the old Bloodhounds no? We had`nt have a replacement for the Bloodhounds...not with that kind of range anyway.
And it has anti-tactical ballistic missile capability as well. In addition, we already have Aster 15s. In the event that the Formidables are made out to carry the Aster 30s, there would not be a transitional problem.
http://www.eurosam.com/ground/index.htm
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The defence minister mentioned that it ought to last another 20 years at the onset of inception. An entirely new system then....
3.When integrated into a battle management system, including an early warning system, or with a long-range radar for cueing purposes, the SAAM/T AD provides an anti-tactical ballistic missile capability against weapons such as Scud (600 km range, ballistic trajectory).
4.i think ALBM--anti long range ballistic missiles,mainly for targets beyond
range of F16# Combat Radius [F-16C]
or F15
#740 nm (1,370 km) w/
2 2,000-lb bombs + 2 AIM-9 + 1,040 US gal external tanks
# 340 nm (630 km) w/
4 2,000-lb bombs + 2 AIM-9 + 340 US gal external tanks
# 200 nm (370 km) + 2 hr 10 min patrol
w/ 2 AIM-7 + 2 AIM-9 + 1,040 US gal external tanks
of course,we hope F15SG will get longer range.
5.Those within range,after calculating the cost,effects and possible
serious consquences of attacking sg,most likely will drop the plan. -
as a small country.sg can learn fr Arrow Weapon System -- to protect Israel against Theater Ballistic Missiles (TBM) threat.
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Singapore-NKorea 07-31 0417
NKorean foreign minister to hold bilateral talks in Singapore:
embassy
SINGAPORE, July 31, 2006 (AFP) - North Korean Foreign Minister
Paek Nam-Sun will hold talks in Singapore on Tuesday, an official
of the Stalinist country's embassy told AFP.
The two sides will hold discussions on "bilateral cooperation,"
said the official who hung up when asked for his name.
Asked whether there would also be any mention of stalled
multilateral talks over North Korea's nuclear program, the
official said, "I don't think so."
Paek's visit comes at the invitation of Foreign Minister George
Yeo and will last until Thursday, Singapore's foreign ministry
said in a statement Monday night.
"This will be the first official visit by Mr Paek in his
capacity as foreign minister," it said.
Paek will meet with Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, Senior
Minister Goh Chok Tong as well as Yeo, it said.
Analysts have said North Korea managed to alienate even its few
friends after a defiant showing at Asian security talks in Kuala
Lumpur last week where it snubbed a campaign to rejoin the
stalled talks on its nuclear efforts.
Pyongyang's main ally China led a campaign to breath new life
into the stalled six-nation nuclear talks on the sidelines of the
Malaysian meeting, known as the ASEAN Regional Forum.
But despite the concerted push, for which it joined hands with
South Korea which also favours a softly-softly approach towards
its neighbour, North Korea was unmoved.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday also urged
Pyongyang to rejoin the negotiations and said the United States
was ready "at any time, at any place and without any conditions"
to meet North Korea under a six-nation framework that began three
years ago.
But North Korea, which left the multilateral talks in November
and caused further outrage this month when it test fired seven
missiles, said it would not return until United States financial
sanctions against it were dropped.
North Korea said it was also considering withdrawing from the
ASEAN Regional Forum, one of the few diplomatic gatherings it
attends.
The regime last week branded Rice an "imbecile" and rejected
United Nations Security Council condemnation of its missile
tests, saying they were part of its legitimate right to
self-defence.
Earlier this month Singapore appealed to North Korea not to
repeat its "provocative" missile tests and called on the
Stalinist state to return to multilateral talks.
it/mtp
Singapore-NKorea
AFP 311134 GMT JUL 06
