most urgently needed weapons......
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hey folks, wad do u all think is the most immediate need to be replaced or purchase to enhance our land forces? other than our old, and ageing AMX-13, wad other things do u see as the most pressing needs or wad do u wish to see ST engg produce for the army. For me, I hope they can get a local design, breech loaded version of a MAW to replace our 84mm. The weight should preferbly 10kg plus minus and do not rust that much. A GPMG is also needed as our FN GPMG are most old and quite heavy. For me, it should be ideally at around 9 kg. wad are ur thoughts?
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Replacement for e I-HAWK
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Agreed.Originally posted by spartan6:Replacement for e I-HAWK -
i know this may sound silly....but i was hoping to see body armour being issued to the regular forces....and change that byonet to the commando kinfe pls sice we're gonna use the bull pulp rifle anyways.
last but not least...change that bloody SM1's they're a disgrace to our nation XD. -
What's wrong with our AMX-13 SM1 light tanks? At least they can run and scoot faster than our neighbour's PT-91...Originally posted by S@mz_Rev0LuT|on:i know this may sound silly....but i was hoping to see body armour being issued to the regular forces....and change that byonet to the commando kinfe pls sice we're gonna use the bull pulp rifle anyways.
last but not least...change that bloody SM1's they're a disgrace to our nation XD. -
hahaha well i can see why SG's still using the SM1's, as it's light and fast enough to travel thru errr... certain country's terrain and plantationsOriginally posted by dork3d:What's wrong with our AMX-13 SM1 light tanks? At least they can run and scoot faster than our neighbour's PT-91...
just that it's not in tune to the 3G gung-ho image that Sg's "showcasing"
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Well, the bad thing is we still can't bring back our Centurions that we've purchased 20 years ago...Originally posted by S@mz_Rev0LuT|on:hahaha well i can see why SG's still using the SM1's, as it's light and fast enough to travel thru errr... certain country's terrain and plantations
just that it's not in tune to the 3G gung-ho image that Sg's "showcasing"
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Bring back?Originally posted by dork3d:Well, the bad thing is we still can't bring back our Centurions that we've purchased 20 years ago... -
Shhh.... Can't give too much details here... Even though we have some here in Singapore...Originally posted by Shotgun:Bring back? -
I think the reason why we are still using the SM1 is because we had not and is not expected to be in combat.Originally posted by dork3d:What's wrong with our AMX-13 SM1 light tanks? At least they can run and scoot faster than our neighbour's PT-91...
Come on! at this day and age, which nation will send their citizens to combat in "tanks" that can be penetrated by a 12.7mm round!
It is irresponsible and sucide.
scoot around faster is good for peace time, but without proper armour protection, those tanks will just be metallic coffins. -
gundam freedom.
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The SM1 will have extra armour during war time. I think we should focus on other weapons instead of the SM1 as it have been discussed for many times already.
I think the 84mm should at least be replaced by a newer variant of the similar weapon from Carl Gustav. The newer variant is lighter than the one we are currently using.
The I-HAWK and the Rapier should be replaced soon too. I guss the I-HAWK will be replaced by either the S-300/S-400 or the Arrow system from Israel.
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I'd like them to find lighter signal sets!!
And intro the M203 or similiar on the SAR21. Kinda silly that we have 2 types of rifles that can't exchange magazines. Not that I am an advocate on the SAR21, but I don't think they will be switching out of the SAR anytime soon. -
if we have tomerhawk crusie missiles
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Thought ST already has a variant of SAR21 with 40mm grenade launcher?Originally posted by insouciant:I'd like them to find lighter signal sets!!
And intro the M203 or similiar on the SAR21. Kinda silly that we have 2 types of rifles that can't exchange magazines. Not that I am an advocate on the SAR21, but I don't think they will be switching out of the SAR anytime soon. -
Just curious, SAF arsenal has quite a few changes:
Milan ATGM changed to Iglas?
ARMBURST ATGM changed to MATADOR ATGM?
106mm RR no longer in service?
84mm RR rumoured to be changed soon?
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It looks grossly unbalanced.Still prefer the M16/M203 combo,it feels more ergonomical.Originally posted by dork3d:Thought ST already has a variant of SAR21 with 40mm grenade launcher?
But what do you guys think of bayonets?Do we still have a need for them? Heard from my peers that BMT no longer teaches bayonet fighting -
Bayonet is good for jungle training, can use it to cut the bananas and rambutans off the trees when needed, also good for making a hole in coconuts for coconut juice...Originally posted by SpecOps87:It looks grossly unbalanced.Still prefer the M16/M203 combo,it feels more ergonomical.
But what do you guys think of bayonets?Do we still have a need for them? Heard from my peers that BMT no longer teaches bayonet fighting -
For the tank. I believe it because a tank of the right tonnage cant be found. They need a tank light enough not to be bogged down in the soggy areas of the training ground.
I ave a strong suspicion that the tanks would be locally developed.
Plus they have already said. You dont need a tank to kill a tank. Thats why the Apaches are around. -
In fact..the most urgent ones are digital camo prints for SAF no.4.
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Milan changed to spike. Iglas is anti aircraft manpads
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Iglas is a SAM.Originally posted by dork3d:Just curious, SAF arsenal has quite a few changes:
Milan ATGM changed to Iglas?
ARMBURST ATGM changed to MATADOR ATGM?
106mm RR no longer in service?
84mm RR rumoured to be changed soon?
120mm mortar also rumoured to be upgraded?
I think Spike is used in tandam with the Milan.
106mm RR long time never see liao, I think it has been phased out from even the reservists bn.
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Get more fighter planes. By retiring all our Skyhawks before the Eagles have even arrived, we've effectively cut our air combat strength by quite a bit. And I don't really think that 20 F15-SGs will be enough.
And forget about getting the F-35 JSF - the Yanks have already said that they won't teach the Brits how to repair and maintain them. I don't suppose we'll be treated any better.
Besides, I remember reading somewhere that the cost of each fighter will be pretty high - something like US$120 million each. I would think that other current high-end fighters bought off the shelf would be cheaper than that.
Instead, get something truly next-generation like the Eurofighter Typhoon. Or if we're too unwilling to shell out so much money, just buy more good old Strike Eagles or even Vipers. -
Agreed. I realised that our current fighter force has been reduced by the retirement of older types and new ones not being bought in sufficient numbers. Of course, the expected argument is that " An advanced warplane can do the job of 2 or more older ones " I beg to differ. This argument is true ASSUMING that your potential adversaries remain at a particular technological level and do not purchase any new equipment at all! In fact, this was highlighted by the Royal Australian Air Force, which stated that while the F-35 was an advanced 5th Generation aircraft, the projected buy of 60 warplanes would barely be sufficient to maintain the edge given by the current combined fleet of (100+) F-111s and F/A-18s.Originally posted by fudgester:Get more fighter planes. By retiring all our Skyhawks before the Eagles have even arrived, we've effectively cut our air combat strength by quite a bit. And I don't really think that 20 F15-SGs will be enough.
And forget about getting the F-35 JSF - the Yanks have already said that they won't teach the Brits how to repair and maintain them. I don't suppose we'll be treated any better.
Besides, I remember reading somewhere that the cost of each fighter will be pretty high - something like US$120 million each. I would think that other current high-end fighters bought off the shelf would be cheaper than that.
Instead, get something truly next-generation like the Eurofighter Typhoon. Or if we're too unwilling to shell out so much money, just buy more good old Strike Eagles or even Vipers.
For instance 20 - 40 F-15Ts to replace 68 A-4/TA-4SUs appear completely reasonable at first. Not so when we take into account the rising numbers of Sukhoi Su-27s and its advanced variants entering service in the region. Add to the fact that it is extremly difficult to have a 100% flyable fleet due to equipment failure or maintanance, a sufficient fleet size must thus be maintained.
After adding all warplanes locally based, overseas detachments and even those on order, I estimate the RSAF frontline fighter fleet to be over 130 warplanes. (TA-SUs and S211s not included as these are considered secondary combat assets) However, if the F-5s are retired before any replacement aircraft enter service, the RSAF fighter fleet may drop below 100 aircraft, a situation we have never been in since the late 70s.
Of course, these are my personal views. For all we know, the RSAF may have enough aircraft in storage to nearly double our strength in times of emergency. -
I agree, to project presence, you need the physical numbers. As Mao used to say "Quantity has a quality of its own"Originally posted by fudgester:Get more fighter planes. By retiring all our Skyhawks before the Eagles have even arrived, we've effectively cut our air combat strength by quite a bit. And I don't really think that 20 F15-SGs will be enough.
And forget about getting the F-35 JSF - the Yanks have already said that they won't teach the Brits how to repair and maintain them. I don't suppose we'll be treated any better.
Besides, I remember reading somewhere that the cost of each fighter will be pretty high - something like US$120 million each. I would think that other current high-end fighters bought off the shelf would be cheaper than that.
Instead, get something truly next-generation like the Eurofighter Typhoon. Or if we're too unwilling to shell out so much money, just buy more good old Strike Eagles or even Vipers.