Malaysia shows interest in Brahmos
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New Delhi: The Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister of Malaysia Hon'ble Dato' Sri Mohd. Najib Tun Hj. Abdul Razak with a high-level delegation visited the BrahMos Weapon Design Complex here today.
Dr. A S Pillai, CEO and MD BrahMos received the delegation and highlighted the technological advancement made by the country with this high-tech project.
The delegation was shown the actual missile hardware and the sus-systems and a presentation was also given to the delegation explaining the technical features of the system.
After seeing the presentation, the Deputy Prime Minister said, "we are very much pleased with the technical progress made by India in high technology projects and are looking forward to stronger defence cooperation with the country based on the memorandum signed yesterday".
We are very impressed to see the BrahMos weapon systems especially with its 100% flight performance and pin point accuracy in neutralizing the targets, he said.
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This certainly isn't good news for any of the countries in Southeast Asia. But hopefully this will be a case like before where they go around showing interest but end up actually not buying or buying them very much later.
Assuming that they will be getting the Brahmos, how are we going to defend ourselves against this supersonic cruise missile?
Here are some inks for info
http://www.brahmos.com/home.html
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If they get Brahmos, Singapore will surely get something similar
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new arms race that will cause our SAF to be even more unbalanced.Originally posted by spartan6:If they get Brahmos, Singapore will surely get something similar -
Unbalanced???Explain
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They showed interest in disneyland also, and a new bridge that spans the causeway.
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Most prob we will try to accquire SM-2 systems from the US to match it, or render the brahmos useless.
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Originally posted by tankee1981:
MBDA are developing a longer range sea-launched variant, to be called SCALP Naval, to be launched from surface and submarines using the A70 version of the SYLVER launcher on the former. The range is to be increased to at least 1200 km according to rumours, thus necessitating the use of A70. This is deemed necessary to make SCALP Naval a credible competitor to the Tomahawk missile.
Assuming that they will be getting the Brahmos, how are we going to defend ourselves against this supersonic cruise missile?
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Remember La Fayette class frigate uses sylver launcher. Also French have say before when the scalp navy (storm) is available , they will be arming some of their frigate, well if Malaysia is getting theirs, think we be getting our frigates armed. -
Wouldnt our subs be better choice
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Under international arm treaty,no countries is allow to sell weapon with range more than 300km to another countries.Originally posted by storywolf:MBDA are developing a longer range sea-launched variant, to be called SCALP Naval, to be launched from surface and submarines using the A70 version of the SYLVER launcher on the former. The range is to be increased to at least 1200 km according to rumours, thus necessitating the use of A70. This is deemed necessary to make SCALP Naval a credible competitor to the Tomahawk missile.
Remember La Fayette class frigate uses sylver launcher. Also French have say before when the scalp navy (storm) is available , they will be arming some of their frigate, well if Malaysia is getting theirs, think we be getting our frigates armed.
Btw, having a longer range missile doesn't definitely mean you are better. (Of cos,it is a advantage) Remember the Six -Days war of 1967? Egyptian missile craft fire 52 Styx SSM with range of 60km against Israel Missile gunboat while none hit the target,cos Israel uses ECM and jam them badly... While Israel fire only 7 Gabriel SSM with range of 30km and all hit the target and sunk the Eygpt fleet....
Brahomos as a ramjet missile has high heat signature and detecting it will not be a problem. Unless it is fire at a target undetected at a very close range and cut off the reaction time... Then it will be another thing! -
Originally posted by zenden9
Brahmos is supersonic and reputedly the fastest cruise missile in the world, this means even if you detected it, reaction time will still be very much limited.
Brahomos as a ramjet missile has high heat signature and detecting it will not be a problem.
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not to say that it's more difficult to take out because it's moving so fastOriginally posted by tankee1981:Brahmos is supersonic and reputedly the fastest cruise missile in the world, this means even if you detected it, reaction time will still be very much limited. -
Interesting read:
Brahmos Aerospace Stands Out at Asian Aerospace 2006
http://www.defenseworld.net/AsianAerospace2006/news/Brahmos_stand_at_asian_aerospace.htm
Our president has talked about co-operation between Singapore and India.
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The Indian armed forces will be well equipped with Brahmos in the coming years. Its ship-launched version has completed tests and an air-launched version- fitted on the underbelly of the Su-30 aircraft is under development. The Indian Air Force had accepted the feasibility report and testing could begin sometime later this year. The air-launched version will be lighter in weight with its reduced booster and will take advantage of the speed of the platform itself. It will also have fins for flight stability. Two Brahmos missiles could be carried by the Su-30 without modifications.
http://www.defenseworld.net/AsianAerospace2006/news/Brahmos_stand_at_asian_aerospace.htm
Malaysian air force is getting the Su-30MKM. Should they be getting the Brahmos as well then it will really be bad news for us! -
western anti-ship mssiles have not reached the power of Brahmos yet....Originally posted by tankee1981:http://www.defenseworld.net/AsianAerospace2006/news/Brahmos_stand_at_asian_aerospace.htm
Malaysian air force is getting the Su-30MKM. Should they be getting the Brahmos as well then it will really be bad news for us! 
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Then u have to wait Indian to integrate the air-launched version of the Brahmos into the su30 first before we ca talk any possibility of such a fancy weapon.Originally posted by tankee1981:http://www.defenseworld.net/AsianAerospace2006/news/Brahmos_stand_at_asian_aerospace.htm
Malaysian air force is getting the Su-30MKM. Should they be getting the Brahmos as well then it will really be bad news for us! 
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Even IF M'sia gets the Brahmos, what makes you guys so sure that M'sia will go to war with S'pore?
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They wouldn't dare to wage war with S'pore one la. Even if they dare, we shall crush them with our mighty SAF.
And with the new Abdullah at reign, I foresee greater coorperation between us. The only obstacle is the noisy and rubbish M&M who keeps fanning the fire. -
Our Formidable-frigate are only armed with A43 vertical launcher suitable for Aster-15. Therefore they are not capable of launching Scalp Naval, not to say Aster-30.
So what if they are getting Brahmos? IAF haven even integrate them on their SU30MKI yet. Integration problems can crop up anytime. If they succeed, the Malaysian SU30MKM might not because Malaysian uses different avonics and system and hence, problems might also crop up.
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For your information , the VLS on our frigate can be reconfigurate to carry different type of missiles. There was an article from the frigate builder themselves saying that in future when the scalp naval is available , they will arming their frigate with it, and the VLS is able to be reconfigurate for it.Originally posted by kelong70:Our Formidable-frigate are only armed with A43 vertical launcher suitable for Aster-15. Therefore they are not capable of launching Scalp Naval, not to say Aster-30.
So what if they are getting Brahmos? IAF haven even integrate them on their SU30MKI yet. Integration problems can crop up anytime. If they succeed, the Malaysian SU30MKM might not because Malaysian uses different avonics and system and hence, problems might also crop up.
For the moment, I think the Aster-15s are capable of defending us against current type of ASM and cruise missile. -
Do you think we need to buy an island elsewhere? to live in ....
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Actually it is much more eaiser. It will be travelling a straight line. It isn't going at Mach 8 or something you know.Originally posted by beavan:not to say that it's more difficult to take out because it's moving so fast -
how about living in malaysia?Originally posted by Dogtor:Do you think we need to buy an island elsewhere? to live in .... -
Actually it is much more eaiser. It will be travelling a straight line. It isn't going at Mach 8 or something you know.
It will not be moving in straight line. The Mach 8 Brahmos is not for export. The Mach 8 version will be used by the RN and the IN only.
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Reconfiguration is definitely possible. Just take out and insert new modules into the hull. But it also means changing the 4 x 8-cell A43 VLS to another 4 x 8-cell A70 VLS. That costs money. Lots of money. We must know that our Mindef always buy things for the future uses. It doesn't make sense to buy them and put them aside after just a few years of using them.Originally posted by storywolf:For your information , the VLS on our frigate can be reconfigurate to carry different type of missiles. There was an article from the frigate builder themselves saying that in future when the scalp naval is available , they will arming their frigate with it, and the VLS is able to be reconfigurate for it.
Also A70 VLS are not suitable to be configured for our 3,200 tonnes frigate as they are built for heavy frigate. Putting them on Formidable will result in 'overweight' problem like what our missile corvette suffered from the heavy EW mast.
But nevertheless, I also wish for Scalp Naval, and Aster-30 perhaps, to be introduced so that we can have a true blue water capability with cruise missile to strike land-based target and area air defence missile to protect fleet.