RMAF Su-30 Delivery delayed?
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I heard that the RMAF may actually be recieving their Sukhois some time next year instead of this year. ANybody got any info on that? Something abt their Thales component being finalised late..
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Source: Flight International
DATE:02/05/06
SOURCE:Flight International
Air force prepares for arrival of Su-30MKM
Sukhoi is preparing to deliver the first batch of Su-30MKM ground support equipment and spare parts to the Malaysian air force, ahead of delivering the service's first six of 18 multi-role fighters early next year.
"We start to deliver ground support equipment, technical papers and training equipment by the end of this year," deputy general director Alexander Klementiev said during the DSA 2006 exhibition last week in Kuala Lumpur. Sukhoi plans to hand over Malaysia's first batch of six Su-30MKMs next March and Klementiev says all 18 aircraft will be delivered "within one year".
Sukhoi and Russia's Rosoboronexport sales agency are now also working with the air force to establish a service centre in Malaysia, which is required to open before delivery of the last fighter. Several Malaysian companies including RSK MiG-29 maintenance provider Aerospace Technology System have expressed interest in operating the new facility, but Klementiev says it will be air force-operated during a one-year warranty period, which could also be extended. "For the foreseeable future it will be operated by the Royal Malaysian Air Force."
Klementiev says Sukhoi is now discussing with the air force a training schedule for its initial batch of Su-30MKM pilots and is also developing a simulator with assistance from Malaysian firm HeiTech Padu. Malaysia also last week signed a letter of intent with India's Hindustan Aeronautics covering training of Su-30 mechanics.
Malaysia is launch customer for Sukhoi's new Su-30MKM configuration, which features head-up and multifunction displays from Thales. Sukhoi blames Malaysia's late selection of Thales for earlier forcing first deliveries to slip from 2006 until next year, but does not anticipate any problems with integrating the French avionics. The design bureau says it has already received parts from Thales for configuration development and tests are to take place later this year. Thales is now training Malaysian company Zetro to handle maintenance of Su-30MKM avionics, the company says. Klementiev says Sukhoi is in discussion with several customers potentially interested in acquiring a similar configuration to the Su-30MKM, including Indonesia, which is negotiating the purchase of up to 14 aircraft.
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Attrition replacement of 2 MiG-29s.... Can someone tell them to stop wasting their time and expand their F/A-18 fleet?
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unless u are offering to foot their bill for their additional F/A-18 ....Originally posted by Shotgun:Attrition replacement of 2 MiG-29s.... Can someone tell them to stop wasting their time and expand their F/A-18 fleet?
its their money.. let them spend where they feel they are getting the best return...
it aint our place to tell them what they should do with their money.... -
ooh...su-30..nice dog fighting planes
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i have seen propeller driven acrobatic plane with very amazing manouvers... that would put the SU-30 to shame....Originally posted by alexkusu:ooh...su-30..nice dog fighting planes
but i doubt the acrobatic plane would survive the BVR in modern air battle to get into any dog fights....
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If they wanted dogfighting manueverability, they shud just make biplanes, agreed!
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what is manueverability without speed?Originally posted by Shotgun:If they wanted dogfighting manueverability, they shud just make biplanes, agreed! -
Hmm... What is speed and manouverability without the weopons and capable avionics?
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why are you so certain that malaysia doesnt have the avonic and weapons?
dont hastily conclude its non-existance.
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they are evaluting Mig-35 also as a replacement for fulcrum to some reports....
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Shoot me if im wrong, isnt Mig-35 also a fulcrum...
Yes, apparently they are trying to get 2 as attrition losses. Dunno if they are planning to upgrade all the Mig-29s anot.. -
The MiG-35 is actually a effort by MAPO MiG to increase sales by marketing it as an all new aircraft. The designation MiG-35 actually refers to new-built MiG-29OVT aircraft which is claimed to have significantly increased performance over the previously 2 most powerful variants, the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29M2.Originally posted by Shotgun:Shoot me if im wrong, isnt Mig-35 also a fulcrum...
Yes, apparently they are trying to get 2 as attrition losses. Dunno if they are planning to upgrade all the Mig-29s anot.. -
Ah so it is a Mig-29 after all. So are they gonna get the "palm oil export" version from the Russians again?
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During the cold war the West was really worried about the MiG-29. But then one Russian pilot defected to Japan with his MiG-29 and the westerners found that it was a crudely-built aircraft with lousy avionics etc.
The pilot was given a large sum of money - as was the Cold War policy of encouraging defection then - for defecting with his aircraft.
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Doesnt matter much no more, since the German airforce operates Mig29'sOriginally posted by moca:During the cold war the West was really worried about the MiG-29. But then one Russian pilot defected to Japan with his MiG-29 and the westerners found that it was a crudely-built aircraft with lousy avionics etc.
The pilot was given a large sum of money - as was the Cold War policy of encouraging defection then - for defecting with his aircraft.
Some said then that it was a KGB trick to send a poorly-built aircraft into western hands to fool them.
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its a mig-25 that defected to japan, that's for sure.
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Ah yes... you are right. It was a Foxbat, not a Fulcrum.Originally posted by eurofighter:its a mig-25 that defected to japan, that's for sure.
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Buddy, read the statement in context of the previous statements before.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:why are you so certain that malaysia doesnt have the avonic and weapons?
dont hastily conclude its non-existance.
I didn't say Malaysia didn't have avionics or weopons.
It was in reference to biplanes and fast planes. I was saying a a biplane is very agile, but a plane with long radar and aams could still blow it out of the sky. Same goes for a fast plane with any good senses and weopons.
Nothing to do with Malaysia. Perhaps I'm not the one jumpng to hasty conclusions.
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Mig-35 is actually Mig-29OVT a new variant of Mig-29 with vector thrust. The change in designation is just a marketing gimmick to let the customer thinks its a new plane altogether.
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aircraft order of battle of the Malaysian Air Force, locally known as Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia
can see each bases and air crafts.
nearest to sg:
Keluang (WMAP)
Rwy 05/23
Position 2° 2' 26.7N 103° 18' 25E
Elev: 150 ft
Based Squadron :881 Skn
Aircraft :Alouette 3
A109 LOH (11 o/o)
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Malaysia wants IAF to train thier sukhoi pilots
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NEW DELHI: Malaysia is keen to cooperate with India on joint defence tactical training – in the air with the Russian-made Sukhoi-30MK fighter aircraft, and below the sea with the French Scorpene-class submarines. Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, who is also Defence Minister, said Malaysia would hold discussions with India on the possibility of training for its Sukhoi pilots and cooperating on maintenance of aircraft as well as spare parts. “The aircraft used by both countries is the same, although the avionics on the Indian version are slightly different,” he told Malaysian journalists covering his week-long visit to India. Najib said Malaysia was also looking at working with India on the training of crew and maintenance of its Scorpene submarines scheduled to be delivered in 2009. Malaysia bought two of the state-of-the-art stealth submarines at a cost of US$580mil (RM2bil) each and they are being built by European naval shipbuilders DCN International in Cherbourg, France, and by Izar at Cartagena, Spain. “We can look at the possibility of joint training on tactics. India has acquired six such submarines,” he said.
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They're paying quite a lot for the Sub.
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Originally posted by evq:They're paying quite a lot for the Sub. no link?
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Hmm, how well rated are the Indians in ASW?