World's Greatest Generals
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How about Prince Dorgon of Qing Dynasty , the Prince Regent during the reign of Emperor Shunzhi?
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well...you will be reading this in japanese now.Originally posted by cmeptb:Hitler was nicknamed grofaz (grosse feldherr alles zeiten - greatest general of all time) by his own people but only in jest. He was lucky to have people like von Manstein, Guderian, Rommel working for him. If he hadn't interfered or made the mistake of opening the 2nd front, well... -
if memory serves, he gotten his star at the age of 30 to 32.Originally posted by tankee1981:I guess you guys miss out on Lee Hsien Loong...he is one of the fastest promoted generals in the world and now is the prime minister of the government of Singapore which in turn control the whole of SAF.
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General George S. Patton was a very famous general in the US army during WW2. A man with great charisma, he was very influential in the US army. Another trademark of his were his Ivory grip Colt .45 and Smith & Wesson pistol. He served under another great tatician, Eisenhower, who later became the 34th President of USA.
And also, the US General that declared grandly to Phillipines "I shall return" during WW2. General Douglas MacArthur. Another interesting character to read about - http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A150186b.htm -
Never a general??
he was never a general. he was a consumate politician.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Julius_Caesar
Historians place the generalship of Julius Caesar (100 BC-44 BC) on the level of such geniuses as Scipio Africanus, Napoleon Bonaparte and Erwin Rommel.
Although he suffered occasional tactical defeats such as Gergovia during the Gallic War and Dyrrhachium during the Civil War, Caesar's tactical brilliance was highlighted by such feats as his circumvallation of Alesia during the Gallic War, the rout of Pompey's numerically superior forces at Pharsalus during the Civil War, and the complete destruction of Pharnaces's army at Zela.
Caesar's successful campaigning in any terrain and under all weather conditions owes much to the strict but fair discipline of his legionaries, whose admiration and devotion to him was proverbial. Caesar's infantry and cavalry was first rate, and he made heavy use of formidable Roman artillery; additional factors which made him so effective in the field were his army's superlative engineering abilities and the legendary speed with which he maneuvered (Caesar's army sometimes marched as many as 40 miles a day).
Caesar levied several Roman legions and most of them remained strategically important until the 5th century. They were: Legio I Germanica, III Gallica, IV Macedonica, V Alaudae, VI Ferrata, VII Claudia, VIII Augusta, IX Hispana, X Equestris (his favorite legion), XI Claudia, XII Fulminata and XIII Gemina (which accompanied him across the Rubicon).
Roman battles fought by Caesar:
* 58 BC:
o June – Battle of the Arar (Saone): Caesar engages and defeats the Helvetii
o July – Battle of Bibracte: Caesar engages and defeats the Helvetii
* 57 BC:
o Battle of the Axona (Aisne): Caesar engages and defeats the Belgae
o Battle of the Sabis (Sambre): Caesar defeats the Nervii.
* 52 BC:
o Battle of Alesia: Caesar lays siege to Alesia and is simultaneously lain under siege by the Gallic leader Vercingetorix; Caesar defeats Vercingetorix
* 48 BC:
o July 10 – Battle of Dyrrhachium: Caesar lays siege to Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus at Dyrrhachium and withdraws before his forces can be decisively beaten
o August 9 – Battle of Pharsalus: Caesar engages and defeats Pompey
* 47 BC:
o February – Battle of the Nile: Caesar engages and defeats King Ptolemy XIII of Alexandria and Egypt
o May – Battle of Zela: Caesar engages and defeats King Pharnaces II of Pontus ("I came, I saw, I conquered")
* 46 BC, February – Battle of Thapsus: defeats the Pompeian army of Metellus Scipio in North Africa.
* 45 BC March 17 – Battle of Munda: defeats the Pompeian forces of Titus Labienus and Gnaeus Pompeius -
Dude he had capable leaders and he was already using a well drilled military machine. The Roman army of that time was the best in that part of the world.Pitting it againest an enemy they've won over many times.Originally posted by plo30360: -
Genghis khan (Tie mu zhen) 1162 - 1227.
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In other words your saying it was his utilization of other people and not his own talents as a genral?
Dude he had capable leaders and he was already using a well drilled military machine. The Roman army of that time was the best in that part of the world.Pitting it againest an enemy they've won over many times.
This is interesting, the 1st time that I've heard that Caesar was not a great general. -
Well i dont really remember when he actually took a lousier army or did something like hannibal and used some kick ass tactics. he was good, but not great. What made him good was his force of will. And his ability much like alexander the great to inspire the common soldiers and get loyalty. But that's mainly political i think heh.Originally posted by plo30360:In other words your saying it was his utilization of other people and not his own talents as a genral?
This is interesting, the 1st time that I've heard that Caesar was not a great general. -
Yi Sun-sin .
The four campaigns of Admiral Yi included every single operation and 23 major battles, all of which Admiral Yi won.
For example, at the Battle of Myeongnyang, Admiral Yi won the battle with 13 ships, while the Japanese had over 300. -
While it may be true his army was well built killing machine,credit has to go to him because it was he who honed the legions into such a effcient machine of war. Before he came along the legions were ranging from average-slighlty above average in terms of quality. For turning them into above elite killers,that requires a brilliant tactcian of great general calibre.
Well i dont really remember when he actually took a lousier army or did something like hannibal and used some kick ass tactics. he was good, but not great.
Furthermore, there are battles he fought in which he achieved victory over numerically superior forces(and certain times these forces were well trained and led).
You may say that this is the result of the legions being so efficient, but a fighting unit no matter how effcient, its greatness of victories are determined by its leader. -
How about Salahuddin ibn Ayyub? This guy managed to unite the Middle East Muslims to kick Crusader butt.
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...and how many wars & victories that he commandered that he earned for those stars? AND I'M NOT REFERRING TO ELECTIONS, PLEASSSEEEE...Originally posted by Gordonator:if memory serves, he gotten his star at the age of 30 to 32. -
I think Maxwell Taylor is very under rated.
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well can u name the "capable leader" Caesar have? And if u mentioned that the reason why Caesar won because of his already well drilled army, can that reason applied to the Senatorial legions, another well drilled Roman army, commandered by Pompey, numbered twice over Caesar's army, and yet still able to be defeated by Caesar.Originally posted by |-|05|:Dude he had capable leaders and he was already using a well drilled military machine. The Roman army of that time was the best in that part of the world.Pitting it againest an enemy they've won over many times.
Finally, I would also like to point out that, if the Roman army is tat powerful, which is the factor why Caesar is no really a great general, why was this poweful army destroyed and slaughtered by Parthians? The reason was because it was poorly commandered by Crassus, a leading politician but no general that led to his death and his legions