Do singapore know how to build it's own aircraft carrier?
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[quote]Originally posted by duotiga83:
The Endurance class amphibious transport docks are the biggest class of ships in the RSN. They were designed and built locally by ST Marine to replace the old County class tank landing ships. Each ship is fitted with a well dock which can accommodate four landing craft, as well as a flight deck which can accommodate two medium lift helicopters
Don't forget that Singapore owns a sizeable merchant marine, especially NOL's fleet of sizeable container ships.
During a POT, these civil resources could be requisitioned and employed as what the Royal Navy calls "Ships Taken Up from Trade" (STUFT). Look at how the ill-fated Atlantic Conveyor was used as a helicopter carrier during the Falklands/Malvinas War in 1982. The Brits have had some success using the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Argus as a helo carrier too.
Closer to home, check out how the US Navy has used some of its maritime prepositioning ships (MPS) ro-ro ships as helo carriers..... with Seahawks as their air group.
If you have a good hull form, it's not rocket science converting it into a flat top for V/STOL aircraft or helos. Many carriers that served during WW2 were converted from merchant ship hulls, examples include the Bogue-class and Kaiser-class escort carriers, which served with distinction, and assorted Imperial Japanese Navy types Junyo, Taiyo Chuyo, Unyo etc that had a poorer combat record due more to tactical shortcomings and inept operational deployment rather than their design limitation.
And who said a V/STOL aircraft needs to be manned....... Harriers are yesterday's story.
P.S. Speaking of STUFT.... interestingly, the hull form of the Endurance-class ships appears to have been based on the Tropic-class 400-TEU ro-ro/lo-lo commercial vessels, Tropic Tide and Tropic Sun, built by STEM. -
Long no postOriginally posted by ChineseJunk:[quote]Originally posted by duotiga83:
The Endurance class amphibious transport docks are the biggest class of ships in the RSN. They were designed and built locally by ST Marine to replace the old County class tank landing ships. Each ship is fitted with a well dock which can accommodate four landing craft, as well as a flight deck which can accommodate two medium lift helicopters
And who said a V/STOL aircraft needs to be manned....... Harriers are yesterday's story. -
"Ships Taken Up from Trade" sounded good for cutting cost and speeding up for building one during critical time.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:[quote]Originally posted by duotiga83:
Don't forget that Singapore owns a sizeable merchant marine, especially NOL's fleet of sizeable container ships.
During a POT, these civil resources could be requisitioned and employed as what the Royal Navy calls "Ships Taken Up from Trade" (STUF). -
Have ship no plane.
Please don't mention F-35. We won't be smelling it for the next 10 years, if ever. -
I think SG also looked like a huge aircraft carrier from the air.
Maybe in the near future, SG will come out with the technology one day to enable the whole island to lift itself up and go wherever it wanted to.
Now, that would be something. -
To enable hostile missles to strike with more accuracy ??Originally posted by ferryman2393:I think SG also looked like a huge aircraft carrier from the air.
Maybe in the near future, SG will come out with the technology one day to enable the whole island to lift itself up and go wherever it wanted to.
Now, that would be something. -
Singapore doesn't need a aircraft carrier, the Endurance class are good ships,what they do need however, is a dedicated air wing(fully marinised,folding boom,rotors etc.) to fully utilise these ships -
dat wld b only in dreams...Originally posted by ferryman2393:I think SG also looked like a huge aircraft carrier from the air.
Maybe in the near future, SG will come out with the technology one day to enable the whole island to lift itself up and go wherever it wanted to.
Now, that would be something. -
nt even 20 i tink...Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Have ship no plane.
Please don't mention F-35. We won't be smelling it for the next 10 years, if ever. -
Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Please don't mention F-35. We won't be smelling it for the next 10 years, if ever
Not true at all... It was revealed last year by the US that Singapore was one of the potential export customers to be given priority for early delivery of the F-35. (From JDW) However delays in the program have pushed proposed delivery dates to a more realistic 2014. Given the need to replace aged F-5 fighters, it is simply not possible to wait 10 or 20 years.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:nt even 20 i tink...
However, expect fierce competition from Dassault and EADS which are expected to pitch their wares once again with advanced variants of the Rafale and Eurofighter respectively, along with Saab offering an advanced Gripen if the RSAF opts for a less expensive option. More F-15 Strike Eagles may be ordered beyond the requirement of 40 if all options fail. -
being one of the researchin partners, its nt surprising...but whether it happens...is another thing...Originally posted by ^Delta^:Not true at all... It was revealed last year by the US that Singapore was one of the potential export customers to be given priority for early delivery of the F-35. (From JDW) However delays in the program have pushed proposed delivery dates to a more realistic 2014. Given the need to replace aged F-5 fighters, it is simply not possible to wait 10 or 20 years.
However, expect fierce competition from Dassault and EADS which are expected to pitch their wares once again with advanced variants of the Rafale and Eurofighter respectively, along with Saab offering an advanced Gripen if the RSAF opts for a less expensive option. More F-15 Strike Eagles may be ordered beyond the requirement of 40 if all options fail.
tot there's a conflict pertainin to the partners involvin the f 35 project? -
Yeah man... Even though I hope to see a Rafale or Eurofighter in RSAF colours rather than the F-35, I still wish for the problems to be ironed out soon lest the RSAF still decides on it.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:being one of the researchin partners, its nt surprising...but whether it happens...is another thing...
tot there's a conflict pertainin to the partners involvin the f 35 project?
I can think of 3 conflicts so far regarding the F-35 project. The British, for instance are not pleased that they would be offered a downgraded version with reduced stealth capabilities. The Norwegians have also expressed similar disatisfaction. The Israelis are interested in acquiring 100 aircraft to replace F-16A/Bs but are not allowed to integrate their own indigenious sensors and weapons. -
its predictable...Originally posted by ^Delta^:Yeah man... Even though I hope to see a Rafale or Eurofighter in RSAF colours rather than the F-35, I still wish for the problems to be ironed out soon lest the RSAF still decides on it.
I can think of 3 conflicts so far regarding the F-35 project. The British, for instance are not pleased that they would be offered a downgraded version with reduced stealth capabilities. The Norwegians have also expressed similar disatisfaction. The Israelis are interested in acquiring 100 aircraft to replace F-16A/Bs but are not allowed to integrate their own indigenious sensors and weapons.
wif china coming up strong for a superpower status in terms of economic and military aspects, its no wonder US wldn't wanna share their researched technology elsewhere, eventually to find themselves attacked by their own tech when all decide to go against them.. -
I heard the Typhoon had a very bad evaluation report by the RSAF ... Maybe when Eurofighter has more or less confirm its technology and system, then do the pitch again ba ...Originally posted by ^Delta^:Yeah man... Even though I hope to see a Rafale or Eurofighter in RSAF colours rather than the F-35, .
But for Rafale, i think RSAF will buy it, after all, y buy only 8+12 F-15SG. I think the sale of F-15 is for political face only, after tt, i think RSAF will still buy Rafale ... -
the main reason is the avioinics system integration cant keep up with our operational date which is 2008-9 though in the reports they have shot us our falcons down......Originally posted by gd4u:I heard the Typhoon had a very bad evaluation report by the RSAF ... Maybe when Eurofighter has more or less confirm its technology and system, then do the pitch again ba ...
But for Rafale, i think RSAF will buy it, after all, y buy only 8+12 F-15SG. I think the sale of F-15 is for political face only, after tt, i think RSAF will still buy Rafale ... -
Do singapore has any docks which is big enough to build aircraft Carrier? -
ST Marine got a VT Halter Marine (correct name, right?) based in the US. I think tt dock should be large ...
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mr threadstarter wants to know here.......Originally posted by gd4u:ST Marine got a VT Halter Marine (correct name, right?) based in the US. I think tt dock should be large ... -
You mean to build it in the US? Will US allow singapore to do that?Originally posted by gd4u:ST Marine got a VT Halter Marine (correct name, right?) based in the US. I think tt dock should be large ... -
Obivously, i doubtUS would give in so readily. Afterall, ACC technology is still pretty much 'dangerous'. Unless, SG continue to polish boots ... tt may be another story
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Spore will NEVER ever build or even buy an aircraft carrier.Originally posted by duotiga83:mr threadstarter wants to know here.......
So does it matter if Spore know how to build an carrier?
An aircraft carrier with Spore colour is a pure wetdream. -
IMO, modified super tanker ship should be good enough..
Singapore need to purschase Harriers whereby Harriers can take off from land air base and fly to the super tanker ship (which act as sea forward fuel base) and land and refuel and then fly to provide fire suppression ,Close Air Support using cluster bomb, mavericks, and unguilded rockets to strike enemy near the coastal area and then fly to super tanker ship for refuelling and fly back to airbase.. -
I don't expect them to sell such cutting edge technology freely. Similary ours will be another reduced in capability version. Now since you can't add third party stuff in. Makes it very difficult to see IOC.Originally posted by ^Delta^:Not true at all... It was revealed last year by the US that Singapore was one of the potential export customers to be given priority for early delivery of the F-35. (From JDW) However delays in the program have pushed proposed delivery dates to a more realistic 2014. Given the need to replace aged F-5 fighters, it is simply not possible to wait 10 or 20 years.
However, expect fierce competition from Dassault and EADS which are expected to pitch their wares once again with advanced variants of the Rafale and Eurofighter respectively, along with Saab offering an advanced Gripen if the RSAF opts for a less expensive option. More F-15 Strike Eagles may be ordered beyond the requirement of 40 if all options fail. -
2 docks in sembawang, they are big enough for it .Originally posted by grandeur:Do singapore has any docks which is big enough to build aircraft Carrier? -
From Sembawang, sail down to changi, looks abit ... impossible?Originally posted by storywolf:2 docks in sembawang, they are big enough for it .