Steyr rifles to be phased out
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This is an article taken from a malaysian military forum. So far this is still not confirmed yet.
KUALA LUMPUR: The Malaysian armed forces? 15-year association with Steyr AUG A1 assault rifles could be coming to an end soon.
Sources said the replacement for the Austrian-designed rifles will be announced at the biennial Defence Services Asia exhibition, which begins tomorrow at the Asia-Pacific Auction Centre in Subang.
The replacement rifle is a tightly-kept secret.
While several candidates for replacing the AUG A1 were considered, it is learnt that the choice was believed to have been decided based on a transfer of technology which will allow a local company to produce the weapon in Malaysia.
Two possibilities remain for this ? that the local company produces the rifle under licence or that it sets up a joint venture company with the foreign manufacturer.
One of the possible replacements for the Steyr is the latest-generation M-16A4 assault rifle from America.
The Steyr had replaced the earlier version of the Colt rifle, the M-16A1, first used by US servicemen during the Vietnam War.
The benefit of using the M-16A4 weapon is that the Malaysian armed forces still owns and operates the older versions of the M-16, although this is mainly for training and ceremonial purposes and for the Territorial Army.
Other assault rifles in the running include the famed Kalashnikov AK-47, the highly-durable assault rifle which is even older than the M-16, having been designed just after World War II.
The Russian-made rifle has proven its calibre with its worldwide use and with fewer working parts, the weapon was less likely to jam and is likely to be much cheaper than the American weapon.
Another plus point is that the weapon fires a larger calibre bullet, making it more lethal.
Complaints among US soldiers when the M-16 was used in the Vietnam War was that a charging enemy soldier would sometimes take three bullets and still continue running.
With the 7.62mm ammunition of the AK-47, one bullet is all it takes to stop a man dead in his tracks.
The more senior of Malaysian soldiers, whether retired or still in active service, are more inclined towards going back to the 7.62mm-calibre bullet.
It was this ammunition which was used before the armed forces changed to the M-16.
The weapon of choice then was the SLR, a tough and extremely accurate rifle which was possibly even more durable than the AK-47.
The fact that the M-16 can be fitted with the M203 grenade launcher, may decide in its favour.
Another possibility is the United Kingdom-made L85A2, currently in use by British forces.
The weapon, which saw action in the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom, utilises the bullpup design (with pistol grip located forward of the magazine) similar to the Steyr.
This gives the weapon a plus factor as our soldiers would be familiar with its design.
Another plus factor is that the rifle fires standard Nato rounds of 5.56mm calibre.
A distant possibility is the Famas (Fusil d?ssaut de la Manufacture d?rmes de St-Etienne) assault rifle.
The Famas is currently the French military weapon of choice and also utilises Nato standard rounds in a bullpup design.
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=209852&extra=page%3D1&page=1 -
Only the part of M16A4 (IIRC it is Canadian made) made any sense. The rest of the article shows the author/s does not know what they are talking about.
Change of calibre. Ha!
L85 ? -
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I heard about this from various sources over the past year. There seems to be a few different opinions about this - from poor production quality, Steyr pulling out of Malaysia, to being able to produce their own rifles.
Whatever it is, its a major exercise, considering that the Steyr AUGs are introduced not too long ago.
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Hmmm can you be more precise on which part of the article does not make sense? There's nothing technically wrong with the weapons and calibre quoted in the article. Do correct me if i'm wrong.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Only the part of M16A4 (IIRC it is Canadian made) made any sense. The rest of the article shows the author/s does not know what they are talking about.
Change of calibre. Ha!
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This grenade launcher issue brings to mind our own adoption of the SAR-21. I continue to see M-16/M203 being used among SAR21-equipped units. Does anyone know if we are using SAR-21 with GL?Originally posted by tankee1981:The fact that the M-16 can be fitted with the M203 grenade launcher, may decide in its favour.
It seems manufacturing the Steyr AUG is rather demanding. The Australians also have quite a few issues with their own locally-made Steyr AUGs.
The option of selecting the AK-47 is actually a very sound choice, in my opinion. Since Malaysia is mostly jungle, most of the time you can see what you are shooting at anyway, so accuracy may not be such a top priority. If so, then the AK-47 makes perfect sense. The bullet can punch through foilage better and is definitely more of a man-stopper compared to the 5.56mm or the Russian's newer 5.45mm. -
did we use SLR a long time ago?
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Yes, we used SLRs in the 60's.
During my BMT the instructors demonstrated the firing of one. -
yes. right now the SLRs are under storage and also used as drill rifles with the mechanism removed.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:did we use SLR a long time ago? -
I have a gut feeling that the Malaysians has had enough of the bullpup format.
Somehow, the Americans could be right in totally rejecting the bullpup concept for their military. The advantages of the bullpup format being compact does not makeup for the numerous disadvantages. -
Its a pity we chose the SAR 21 over the H&K G36. Cost issues I guess.
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SAR-21 is alright to have, but I'd still trust my life to the AR-series.Originally posted by sgf:Its a pity we chose the SAR 21 over the H&K G36. Cost issues I guess. -
Can you list the disadvantages of the bullpup design?Originally posted by tvdog:Somehow, the Americans could be right in totally rejecting the bullpup concept for their military. The advantages of the bullpup format being compact does not makeup for the numerous disadvantages.
Why is the G36 better than the SAR21? -
if they want to buy SAR21, will STK sell?
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They`ve used the design for just 15 years and want to replace them? Don`t they have better things to replace? All the more with the reduced budget or so I`ve read somewhere because of recent purchases. Not to mention the drive to be a developed economy. If it does happen*(you know..you read such reports all the time from the north and what actually happens fall short of the claims..sometimes drastically), it`s probably politically motivated. Someone`s getting really rich soon.
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STK can build a version of the SAR-21 chambered for the 22LR cartridge, and sell that to our neighbour.Originally posted by nismoS132:if they want to buy SAR21, will STK sell? 
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from http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/state_news/news.php?id=193904&cat=ct
Armed Forces To Replace Steyr With Colt M4 Carbine
PETALING JAYA, April 26 (Bernama) -- The Malaysian Armed Forces will replace in stages their 100,000 Steyr assault rifles with the American-made lightweight Colt M4 Carbine 5.56mm, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said Wednesday.
SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd has been appointed to supply and deliver 14,000 Colt M4 Carbines at an estimated cost of RM70 million.
The Letter of Intent was handed over to the company by Najib at the 10th Defence Services Asia Exhibition 2006 held in Subang here.
"The Colt M4 Carbine has been found to be the most suitable for the Armed Forces from the aspect of user friendliness and product innovation," he told reporters.
The government announced recently that the Austrian-made Steyr assault rifle, which had been used for 15 years, would be phased out.
The Colt M4 Carbine is the standard infantry assault rifle used by the United States military and is favoured in modern tactical combat operations.
Najib, who is also the Defence Minister, said the delivery of the Colt M4 Carbines would start this year.
He said the new weapon was designed to accept accessories like a grenade launcher.
Najib also said the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) Pilatus PC-7 MKI turbo trainer aircraft would be phased out in stages and replaced with the PC-7 MKII aircraft.
The PC-7 MKII is more advanced and equipped with ejector seats which will enable the pilot to escape in any emergency that causes the plane to crash.
"The first delivery of PC-7 MKII will be made within 16 months from now and it is up to RMAF to decide when to phase out the PC-7 MKI entirely," he said.
The RM213.4 million contract to supply 10 PC-7 MKII aircraft, one flight training device, supplies and services and standardisation of eight PC-7 MKII was awarded to Pilatus Aircraft Ltd, based in Switzerland.
Najib also handed over a Letter of Acceptance to Avibras Industria Aerospacial International Ltd of Brazil for the supply and delivery of MLRS Astros II guided missile spares for the Malaysian army at an estimated cost of RM27 million.
At the event, Najib witnessed the signing of contracts between the Defence Ministry and three local companies for the supply of various types of equipment and services.
Satang Jaya Sdn Bhd will supply articles, services and technical assistance (specific to safety and survival equipment), Zetro Services Sdn Bhd will supply articles, services and technical assistance for ground electronics and avionics while Sapura Defence Sdn Bhd will provide maintenance of RMAF simulator systems.
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goodness, they got so much money to buy so many carbines?
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seems an odd decision..seems like they are moving backwards..The Steyr isnt exactly a bad rifle.
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WTF? M4's?!
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Although the M4 is a battle proven weapon as shown in the recent conflicts in Iraq and Afganistan, it is still primarily based on the AR-15 which is first used in the Vietnam War, 40 years ago. So in a way they are like taking a step backwards. I wonder why they want to replace the Steyr Aug after only 15 years.
I think the newer variants of the AK which fires 7.62 rounds will be suitable. This is because, the round is heavy enough to be able to go through tree trunks unlike 5.56. Its very tough and reliable and can withstand the rugged terrain and humid climate in Malaysia. Lower maintenace as compared to the M16. Its very cheap as well. This is based on the fact that Malaysia is still heavily forested
However, as the nation develops, urban terrain will one day take over. The shorter length of the M4 will be an advantage. The AK with the large curved magazine will make firing in prone position difficult.
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M4?? even though battle proven, have very low stopping power. Lotsa US troops complaining about that, but its a good rifle
I think they meant M16A4?
But Ak-47? Gosh, if they opt for it they will be moving backwards. AK-100+ series would be a better choice since it fires a 5.56mm -
M4 Carbine? They're not that serious, aren't they?
While I agree that it's a good and proven weapon for FIBUA ops, it's certainly not a weapon you want for standard jungle warfare. It's certainly lighter and shorter than the good old M16, but it also means that you get less range and accuracy. -
Seriously, the effective range of the M4, is more than adequate for jungle warfare. Dense vegetation won't allow u to see more than 50 meters if u are lucky. And terrain more than often wont let u see more than 200 meters in a certain direction, esp with regards to plantations.
M4 is not too bad too, since it allows for specialised attachments. However, it still suffer from the same problem as the M-16 no? The dirty gases fouling up the chamber resulting in more jams.
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We can't even afford to buy them, what makes you think they can?Originally posted by Shotgun:Why didn they consider the HK G36C if they want a carbine option?