Singapore intelligence agents in foreign countries?
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No lor... its not a paid holiday. You are PAID to migrate! Wads better than that?? hahaha.
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Every country will always try to plant agents in other countries of interest.
I am sure singapore is of no exception.
You go to ISD website, they mention a case of Russian try to recruit a 2LT in SAF?
I am sure the opposite happen too.
A few exposed case are usually ppl workign as reporters or embassy staff in that country.
Those PRs serving in SIngpaore army... can you fish them out? -
I am not surprised that Singapore has remained highly penetrated by various intelligence agencies. It has been the case ever since WW2, according to recent publishings, even before WW2 by the Japs.
Aiya, everyone to anyone engages in espionage activities. CIA lar, SVR, MI5/6. A country that doesn't maintain espionage activities is just being foolish. When the sh!t really happens, they would be the ones wondering what hit them.
Very long ago, some our Singaporeans were arrested in Aussie for espionage. And recently, one of our journalist also kena arrested, accused of espionage. You win some, you lose some. =/ -
wonder how big our overseas intel forces are..
we are pretty small compared to russia and USA for sure -
Intelligence agents planted in foreign countries is fair game because everyone does it! Just that they are not caught or the case not exposed to the public! In fact there are cases where 'allies' spied on each other.
But i am quite surprised that they will plant a commando overseas! Does this means that the SID's have a combat arm which is capable of carrying out assasinations and/or sabotages in foreign land?
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what's there in nepal that warrants a posting? north pole at least got polar bear!Originally posted by ditzy:Ok, we post you to Nepal.
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Russia double agent visits Singapore! Its cool to know there are SVRR intelligence officers from Moscow in Singapore. What ever SVRR means.
from http://intellit.muskingum.edu/spycases_folder/nicholson_folder/nicholsonpress.html- In June 1996, Nicholson went to Singapore on personal travel. Two known SVRR intelligence officers from Moscow were in Singapore while Nicholson was there. While in Singapore, Nicholson used his counter-surveillance techniques before meeting with Russian intelligence officers at a remote location. Nicholson was not authorized to make the contact. After the contact, Nicholson made several large cash transactions involving approximately $20,000.
Can someone teach me some counter surveillance technique? -
there's a parliamentary report every year about people being caught and detained for espionage activities ... and there was this CIA agent caught trying to influence the outcome of the local elections way back to toe 60s I believe ...
I wonder how many foreign chaps are deep penetration agents in the opposition parties ? ... -
Thsoe who got are usually locals recruited to conduct espionage in their own country. thsoe who recruit them are case officers whose primary job are to find ppl willing to do so, mostly for cash. if the agents were caught they might face the firing squad or like our country detained under ISA to be debriefed/interrogated. if a case officer is caught most likely he would be sent home because most of them would have diplomatic immunity ie. cover jobs in their embassy as a diplomat.
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The last line is uncalled for..Originally posted by Fatum:there's a parliamentary report every year about people being caught and detained for espionage activities ... and there was this CIA agent caught trying to influence the outcome of the local elections way back to toe 60s I believe ...
I wonder how many foreign chaps are deep penetration agents in the opposition parties ? ...
Sometimes, ideals are more important than political succession, having different ideals is normal, and we should not regress to the dark ages where being a politician from another party was viewed with suspicion and distrust. -
SVR..Originally posted by fedor86:Russia double agent visits Singapore! Its cool to know there are SVRR intelligence officers from Moscow in Singapore. What ever SVRR means.
from http://intellit.muskingum.edu/spycases_folder/nicholson_folder/nicholsonpress.html
Can someone teach me some counter surveillance technique?
Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR)
Sluzhba Vneshney Razvedki
Yasenevo 11 Kolpachny
Moscow, 0101000
Moscow phone Number = 095 923 62 13
Official Web Site (in Russian): svr.gov.ru/
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/svr/index.html -
Well, very often the case officers operate under None Official Covers. Hence when they are caught, they do not have diplomatic immunity and can be imprisoned indefinitely. Usually, they would be treated well, so that they can be used to exchange for their own case officers or converted to be a double agent. Official covers sometimes invite unnecessary surveillance.Originally posted by decepticon25:Thsoe who got are usually locals recruited to conduct espionage in their own country. thsoe who recruit them are case officers whose primary job are to find ppl willing to do so, mostly for cash. if the agents were caught they might face the firing squad or like our country detained under ISA to be debriefed/interrogated. if a case officer is caught most likely he would be sent home because most of them would have diplomatic immunity ie. cover jobs in their embassy as a diplomat. -
well, since you mentioned that having different ideals is normal, I shall comment further on that then ... that's fodder for speaker's corner eh ? ...Originally posted by LazerLordz:The last line is uncalled for..
Sometimes, ideals are more important than political succession, having different ideals is normal, and we should not regress to the dark ages where being a politician from another party was viewed with suspicion and distrust.
but it has happened before, as I've pointed out, you don't think it'll happen again ? ... check out those yearly parliamentary reports ... foreign agents being caught and deported for "attempting to subvert local community organizations " ... what do you think those organizations are ? ... people's association ? ...
(ps: bro, ideals are fine and dandy, but remember this, different ideals and flavors of goverment are but a means to an end, not an end in itself, ... know what i mean ? ) -
Okay. lets not digress too far. I'm sure our political parties are reliable in terms of their background. Afterall, ISD would definitely check on politicians don't you think?
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I once heard from an unverified source that a Singapore spy was executed in Russia. Urban legend or truth? You decide...
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Thats would be the case if the spy was a russian citizen, spying on our behalf. Shot for treason i guess. =/
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Yes usually captured spies are not killed as they are worth more alive than dead. Once captured they will be 'downloaded' for any useful information.
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not quite ... they'll be squeezed dry of course ... but unless it's outright war, spies are not usually shot .... the exception would be captured israeli spies in the middle east ... they are invariably killed if they are caught ...Originally posted by tankee1981:Yes usually captured spies are not killed as they are worth more alive than dead. Once captured they will be 'downloaded' for any useful information. -
Originally posted by nismoS132
Assuming this is true,I am quite surprised at this . Does this mean that we have a group of commandoes and/or SOF planted in target countries and that they are to carry out assasinations and sabotage when hostilities break out? This sort of reminds me of the Soviet Spetnaz during the Cold War.
i don't know how true this is, but a commando i used to know told me he was once offered a special contract, lumpsum is 6 digit and he will be stationed overseas under a new identity for several years and is not supposed to return to singapore unless necessary. -
Hmmm...wonder if any of our agent can make it to become their country's minister....just like that Mossad's agent who almost become Syria's defence minister.....
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what are the chances of it being the other way around ? ...Originally posted by riken1974:Hmmm...wonder if any of our agent can make it to become their country's minister....just like that Mossad's agent who almost become Syria's defence minister..... -
for those who have an interest in finding out more abt Eli Cohen: http://elicohen.org/Originally posted by riken1974:Hmmm...wonder if any of our agent can make it to become their country's minister....just like that Mossad's agent who almost become Syria's defence minister.....
The man truly deserves the respect of all in the intelligence community for the man he is and the work he did. -
You may be right, but I'd prefer to take what this nation says with a pinch of salt too.Originally posted by Fatum:well, since you mentioned that having different ideals is normal, I shall comment further on that then ... that's fodder for speaker's corner eh ? ...
but it has happened before, as I've pointed out, you don't think it'll happen again ? ... check out those yearly parliamentary reports ... foreign agents being caught and deported for "attempting to subvert local community organizations " ... what do you think those organizations are ? ... people's association ? ...
(ps: bro, ideals are fine and dandy, but remember this, different ideals and flavors of goverment are but a means to an end, not an end in itself, ... know what i mean ? ) -
SR Nathan was Director, SID.Originally posted by riken1974:Hmmm...wonder if any of our agent can make it to become their country's minister....just like that Mossad's agent who almost become Syria's defence minister..... -
this kind of intel is better known as HUMINT or rather Human Intelligence. its not only about gathering military intelligence but the perspective is rather large. do a search on the net
its not as glamorous as u tink it is. imagine u have to stay out of singapore for so many years at the prime of ur life, without a relationship to bring u with. the long time oeverseas meant that u will not be able to go on ur search for ur significant other/
even if u have a gf do u think she will wait years for u? in fact, she doesnt know how long she have to wait for u. when will ur assignment end?
ur social life will shrink like hell, u aren't allowed to talk to ur friends about ur work. u start to avoid them in meetups so they cant ask about ur work. ur sensitive work also restrict u from knowing pple from the target country incase they are counter spies. u will be lonely as hell.
ur family life takes a beating too. every uncle auntie will want to know what u are doing. u will avoid going out with ur family for wedding dinners cos everyone will ask "whne is ur turun huh?" u will spend CNY overseas, no angbaos no CNY eve's dinner.
If u are posted to a develop country for assignment, good for u, can take it as migration and take the life there easily. but wat if u suay suay kena assignment tat brings u to other countries that is forever more chaotic den CK Tang on sale or Orchard Road during Xmas /New year. u cannot sleep in peace fearing that some joker will storm ur room and take ur underwear?
u think its fun? well u take all the above as fun