Sg buy 300 Terrex AV81 IFV?
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This is a translation of an essay fr
Asean Defence Journal.It reported that Sg had decided to buy 300 AV 81 Terrex IFV.
sources
THis is a STKinetis products but designed by
Timoney Group of UK which has been acquired by ST.
I like
the V-shape hull to withstand land mine of 10--12 kg
Singapore Technologies (ST) Kinetics is building prototypes of its new Terrex AV81 8 x 8 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) to meet the specific requirements of the Belgian and Turkish armies. lJDW 18.09.2002.
Simplified Spec:C130 roll on/off,10 tonnes payload,11m3 internal volume
........................passive add--on suite provide all around protection.
.........................NCB protection capable
few variants----APC,mortar,mortar and medi.
Read the brochure and cartoon in STK site .Significant increases in speed (up to 2 to 3 times increase in cross-country speed), manoeuverability and comfort are achieved.
Timoney or Timoney-designed suspensions are fitted to in-production vehicles such as the ADI Bushmaster, Singapore Technologies KineticÂ’s Terrex AV 81 and the Bronco ATTC, the Textron ASV and many more. -
Finally! Had been awaiting this news for a very long time...
I guess this means the end of the line for our long serving V150 and V200 APCs... Time for them to be dismantled and sold as scrap metal
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Brigade Combat Teams anyone?
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This is great news! Maybe SAF's procurement of Terrex will help boost its overseas sales,if the country which makes it choose not to use it, this doesn't speak very well of the product right?
300 is quite a large number! I suspect they may not be used just to replace the V200s. I wonder what will be the different configurations and will they be organised to fight like the Strykers in US? This is really exciting with so much possibilities!
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can post translation??? the link takes too long to download....
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sorry forget to add this essay said Terrex is to replace old US IFV (which??)
I duny think is M113 for they could be upgraded and just show off in
AA 2006.
It also said Indonesia ordered few hundred. -
Think airforce will still use V200 for their RBS-70 lah. The Terrex will probably complement the Bionix & M113 for army use.Originally posted by Delta 5:Finally! Had been awaiting this news for a very long time...
I guess this means the end of the line for our long serving V150 and V200 APCs... Time for them to be dismantled and sold as scrap metal -
The Terrex is in the running for the Turkish Land Forces IFV contract.
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actually I dun like the terrex, the wheel is so big so ugly and not protected somemore, somebody fire a 40mm m203 grenade is gone cased already.
somemore the V shaped hull mine test I find is very misleading, war time the terrex will be carrying fuel and other high explosives like grenades, if the terrex hit a mine will there be an implosion? -
I wonder what the armament fit will be...Originally posted by tankee1981:This is great news! Maybe SAF's procurement of Terrex will help boost its overseas sales,if the country which makes it choose not to use it, this doesn't speak very well of the product right?
300 is quite a large number! I suspect they may not be used just to replace the V200s. I wonder what will be the different configurations and will they be organised to fight like the Strykers in US? This is really exciting with so much possibilities!
Will it be basic weaponry such as a 7.62mm/12.7mm MG or will the SAF opt for the 30mm Bushmaster II? Perhaps even a twin launcher for Spike missiles as well -
SORRY it is beyond my ability to give translation.
surf the net u will find more info .
Check Belgian or Turkey if they adopt Terrex and post here,fren? -
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The above is an abstract from the article. They never specifically mention that SAF ordered 300. The only info clearly present is that ?00 of Terrex have been ordered to replace old US armoured vehicles(?00Ã�¾¡°ÌØÀ¿Ë˹¡±ÒÔÌæ»»³Â¾ÉµÄÃÀÖÆ×°¼×³µ), the chinese characters in the middle part of the same sentence is incomprehensible. Maybe its just my computer Can anyone help? Thanks -
Terrex was featured in Pioneer magazine some time ago. I recall they mentioned it came in 3 variants: IFV, APC and tank killer with a 105mm main gun. The last option sounds interesting.Originally posted by Delta 5:I wonder what the armament fit will be...
Will it be basic weaponry such as a 7.62mm/12.7mm MG or will the SAF opt for the 30mm Bushmaster II? Perhaps even a twin launcher for Spike missiles as well -
Truth be told, I don't like wheeled vehicles. They may be suited for stealth FIBUA ops as they are generally quieter. However, the wheels are more vulnerable to small-arms fire. They also sink in mud more easily and are more likely to set off anti-tank mines (both due to higher ground pressure).
Also, our M113 Ultras, Bionixs, and Broncos are all amphibious with some minor preparations. They can all swim using their tracks. Does anyine know whether the Terrex has propellors or waterjets to make it amphibious? -
Perhaps the Terrex is intended to be the low component of a high-low mix of infantry carriers with the well armoured Bionix being the key combat vehicle. This is meant as a gap filler due to the retirement of the M113s not upgraded to Ultra standard.
With 300 Terrex AV81s to add to the large number of Ultra and Bionix IFVs, our armoured force is now a force to be reckoned with.
Actually, I feel that this order is also to keep the ST production line busy pendingdelivery of the new light tank as Bionix production ended a couple of years back and Bronco ATTC production is also drawing to a close. -
Dunno what it uses but if memory serves correctly, Pioneer said it was amphibious.Originally posted by fudgester:Truth be told, I don't like wheeled vehicles. They may be suited for stealth FIBUA ops as they are generally quieter. However, the wheels are more vulnerable to small-arms fire. They also sink in mud more easily and are more likely to set off anti-tank mines (both due to higher ground pressure).
Also, our M113 Ultras, Bionixs, and Broncos are all amphibious with some minor preparations. They can all swim using their tracks. Does anyine know whether the Terrex has propellors or waterjets to make it amphibious? -
http://www.stengg.com/upload/3093OMjHRRkK6KIJHFM.pdf
Ok its twin hydrojet. -
truth be told, i'm hoping that this isn't going to be our version of the stryker
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Is it just me or is the SAF becoming a clone of the US Army in terms of doctrine and tactics, not to mention Orbat re-org and uniform design?
We are like Mini-me. -
"Singapore Technologies Kinetics (ST Kinetics) and Otokar Otobus Karoseri Sanayi A. S. (Otokar) will sign Cooperation Agreements to co-develop a new Terrex 8 x 8 armoured infantry fighting vehicle prototype and to market the Bronco All Terrain Tracked Vehicle to the Turkish Land Forces.
The agreements, which follow from earlier Memorandums of Understanding, will be signed tomorrow at a ceremony held during the 6th International Defence Industry, Aerospace and Maritime Fair (IDEF 2003) where both companies are co-participating. The show is based in Ankara, Turkey, from 30 September to 3 October 2003.
The agreement on the Terrex (called Yavuz in Turkish, meaning "robust and forceful". It is also the name of an Ottoman Sultan.) provides the framework for joint collaboration on design, manufacturing and agreement on marketing rights with regards to the Terrex. The collaboration will enhance ST Kinetics' competitive edge in marketing the vehicle globally. The development of the Terrex has drawn extensive interest from strategic partners around the world.
The second agreement with Otokar sets the basis for marketing ST Kinetics' Bronco All Terrain Tracked Vehicle (called Sakarya in Turkish, named after the city where Otokar's manufacturing plant is located) to the Turkish Land Forces. "
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Actually I favour a return to the old style armoured force which emphasizes armour and firepower. I cannot imagine American forces with Strykers taking on T-80s, T-90s or Type 90/98 MBTs in a war against potential adversaries. Just say that staring down the barrel of 125mm armed tanks with just a vehicle armed with a small autocannon and limited numbers of ATGWs is not an attractive option.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Is it just me or is the SAF becoming a clone of the US Army in terms of doctrine and tactics, not to mention Orbat re-org and uniform design?
We are like Mini-me. -
Precisely, but realisitcally speaking, the era of open battle between armoured divisions on plains are over.Originally posted by Delta 5:Actually I favour a return to the old style armoured force which emphasizes armour and firepower. I cannot imagine American forces with Strykers taking on T-80s, T-90s or Type 90/98 MBTs in a war against potential adversaries. Just say that staring down the barrel of 125mm armed tanks with just a vehicle armed with a small autocannon and limited numbers of ATGWs is not an attractive option.
Still we need good ol MBTs for those thunder runs. Nothing beats shaking the enemy with the blast of a 120mm main gun at urban distance. -
Precisely... I am glad the SAF still has MBTs in serviceOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Precisely, but realisitcally speaking, the era of open battle between armoured divisions on plains are over.
Still we need good ol MBTs for those thunder runs. Nothing beats shaking the enemy with the blast of a 120mm main gun at urban distance.
Hmmm are you from armour? -
IF this report is true, then I guess the V200s used by the ASU should be replaced by Terrex in a few years time.
These vehicles can be assigned or attached to various Guards or Infantry brigades, providing support when the missions requires it.
Wheeled APCs provide better protection when compared to transport by 5 tonners for certain types of missions.
Organisation will be different from amoured units (ie. the vehicles may not be organic to the Guards/Infantry units, unlike armoured units).
I used to be from a Guards unit that operates with the V200s from ASU. I've always wondered about the use of the new Terrex.
In addition - the Terrex can be used as platforms for other systems like mobile SAMs. -
There's nothing like dropping a 500lb Laser Guided Bomb lased by ground forces on a heavily armored tank either.
The problem with tank killer variants like the terrex and stryker is not their inability to kill tanks. They can.
The problem is, they are vulnerable to everything else, inclusive of shoulder launched RPG etc. U dun need an MBT to kill a terrex, an IFV with rapid fire 25mm sabots can do the same.