REPORTED "INTRUSION" OF UNIDENTIFIED AIRCRAFT IN JOHOR
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how come they're using civilians as radar now? somemore with a powerful CAMERA LENS?!
this craft should be flying low enough in order for it to be captured on that kind of lens.
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Agreed. Since they claim they spotted bigfoot finding a UFO is no big deal.Originally posted by StarPuppy:maybe they detected a UFO
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Maybe they went on strike, their pay went to the brigde, probably ...Originally posted by tiggersgd:how come they're using civilians as radar now? somemore with a powerful CAMERA LENS?!
this craft should be flying low enough in order for it to be captured on that kind of lens.
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Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, who is Defence Minister, said ministry officials were interviewing a person who had snapped a picture of the aircraft to learn where he was when he took the picture so that it could be ascertained whether the aircraft was in Malaysian airspace then.
I am puzzled? Why are they still using the MK1 eye ball method despite having radars? The article from Bernama gives the impression that the Malaysian Mindef only comes to know of this matter when some civilians have visually and audioly spotted the 'UFO'. The Defence Minister mentioned nothing of what their radars have detected at all.
If some of you militarynuts have noticed, one of their chinese newspapers ( provided by lionnoisy) also mentioned of a patrol of 3 helicopters when they officially started works on the bridge. I suspect they are trying to divert the attention of the masses in Malaysia from the recent fuel prices hike. They almost without fail will resort to such 'Singapore bashing' tactic when they are having some sort of problems such as during their GE in the period of the financial crisis in the late 90s. That is a time of great unrest in the region,many SEA governments have been desposed such as Suharto.
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Btw, anyone seen those so-called RSAF aircraft pics mentioned in that report?
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E photo may not exsit at all or they may show RMN not RSAF aircraft
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Wah Piangz! They jolly well wake up their idea & get their facts right before they start to pinpoint others.Originally posted by spartan6:E photo may not exsit at all or they may show RMN not RSAF aircraft
Funny...how come, we never sue their paper for slandering? Well, they did that to the Sarawak paper who printed those now infamous cartoons. -
NPNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But a air defense radar at Johor will be taken out first thing by RSAF in a conflict, so I think they rather not put.Originally posted by tankee1981:I am puzzled? Why are they still using the MK1 eye ball method despite having radars? The article from Bernama gives the impression that the Malaysian Mindef only comes to know of this matter when some civilians have visually and audioly spotted the 'UFO'. The Defence Minister mentioned nothing of what their radars have detected at all.
If some of you militarynuts have noticed, one of their chinese newspapers ( provided by lionnoisy) also mentioned of a patrol of 3 helicopters when they officially started works on the bridge. I suspect they are trying to divert the attention of the masses in Malaysia from the recent fuel prices hike. They almost without fail will resort to such 'Singapore bashing' tactic when they are having some sort of problems such as during their GE in the period of the financial crisis in the late 90s. That is a time of great unrest in the region,many SEA governments have been desposed such as Suharto. -
hmm.. maybe they don't know how to use the radar.. or they claim they have radar,but not in johor.. just in KL then they have radar!!! then need civilians to use camera to take pictures.. AEHEAHHEAHEHEHHAHAHEA
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Well it also doesnt mean that u don't even have basic surveillance radar there? If thats they case, you don't even know if anyone really intrudes?Originally posted by student 17:But a air defense radar at Johor will be taken out first thing by RSAF in a conflict, so I think they rather not put.
Relying one cameramen, then trying to triangulate the position isn't really very proffessional... -
Originally posted by nWo:
Changes on surrounding environment? Surrounding environment's capabilities?
He said the army's development would take into account rapid changes in the surrounding environment and its existing capabilities. -
well,let them say anything they want,to someone who always back off deal or broke promise and always act as big brother.I am personally not interested,I don't even bother to step into their land in case they say that we are fattening their appetite for foreigner who causes their businessman who jack up their price and thus causing their people to suffer when they cannot afford it.
In fact they always have mood swing here and there,they should be the eigth wonder of the modern world.In case anyone point a finger at me and label me as anti malaysia.I am only anti odd behaviour country on the surface of this beautiful world known as mother earth;where everyone should be living harmoniously and not so creative in causing wonderful aftermath. -
Maybe its just an RC plane?
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Actually eye ball is better than anything
Remember that is one time where the USAAF F-117 got shot down. Not becos the iraqi got high tech radar, but becos they have none and they saw the plane up the sky so they shot it down with AA guns. SO 3 CHEERS to EYEBALLS!!!! -
Source: Bernama
March 17, 2006 22:17 PM
Air Control System Did Not Detect Violation Of Airspace, Says Najib
JOHOR BAHARU, March 17 (Bernama) -- Malaysia's air control system did not detect any violation of airspace by unauthorised foreign aircraft over Gelang Patah in Johor, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said Friday.
He said the aircraft that reportedly circled above Gelang Patah two days ago was actually in Singapore airspace and had not entered Malaysian airspace at all.
"The Defence Ministry was informed of the matter and it is clear that our control system did not detect any trespassing aircraft," he told reporters after a visit to the Customs, Immigration and Quarantine (CIQ) complex project construction site in Bukit Chagar, here.
Najib said the ministry had identified the type of aircraft but no action could be taken as it was in Singapore airspace.
The people of Gelang Patah, especially Kampung Tebing Runtoh and several other villages, had complained of the persistent drone of an aircraft circling in the airspace above, and the ministry launched a probe that would be completed in a week.
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Source: Bernama
March 17, 2006 16:15 PM
Unidentified Aircraft Heard Over Johor Not In M'sian Airspace, Says PM
PENANG, March 17 (Bernama) -- A preliminary probe indicated that an unidentified aircraft reported to have been circling in the airspace over Gelang Patah in Johor two days ago was actually outside Malaysian airspace, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said Friday.
He said the findings of the initial investigation obtained from the police, Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) and the Defence Ministry showed that the aircraft was in the airspace of neighbouring Singapore.
"The aircraft was most probably Singapore's and it was not in Malaysian airspace," he told reporters after opening the Northern Region Marine Police Base in Batu Uban, here.
Abdullah, who is also Minister of Internal Security, said the aircraft was circling an area not far from the Johor coast, and its drone seemed to come from somewhere close owing to Johor's proximity to Singapore.
When asked what could have been the motive of the aircraft, he said that the plane was not in Malaysian airspace and it was therefore unnecessary to determine the motive.
Two days ago, the residents of Gelang Patah had complained of the persistent drone of an unidentified aircraft circling in the airspace over their villagers, and the government initiated a probe.
In KUCHING, Chief of Defence Forces Admiral Tan Sri Mohd Anwar Mohd Nor said the whole process of the investigation was expected to be completed in a week.
Speaking to reporters after opening a 1st Division community rehabilitation centre here, he said the investigation was launched with interviews of eye-witnesses and ascertaining their location at the time they spotted the plane.
Mohd Anwar said the probe would ascertain whether the mystery aircraft was actually in Malaysian airspace or that of Singapore in view of the proximity of the two countries.
He also said that the armed forces would open more community rehabilitation centres at army camps in the country to help handicapped or special children of soldiers to get an education.
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They come in piecesOriginally posted by StarPuppy:maybe they detected a UFO -
Well that's that settled then ... nice speculation all.
Just some comments on the speculations put forward (I know this is in hindsight) ...
(1) It can't be an ultra-light as the reported aircraft is Grey. Ultra-lights are usually colourful.
(2) It won't be a civilian craft as these are almost always never Grey. Dirty White maybe but not Grey. Grey aircrafts are almost always military.
(3) It won't be a jet as the complaint was of a droning sound ... ie. Props.
The one anomaly is that Gelang Patah is hardly 500m from the border, more like 5km. However Kampung Tebing Runtoh is 500m from the border. Look at the map, faint letters just under Bandar Nusajaya. A bit of creative reporting perhaps? Making the incursion seem further inland than it is.
Kampung Tebing Runtoh is also conveniently opposite our training area. They are most probably being bothered by our UAVs. Heck, even our own troops get cheesed off by the droning of our UAVs.
BTW, not trying to offend, but if you see something it's "visually", if you hear it ... "aurally". -
Thanks kotay...btw can you blow up the map a bit beacuse its really very hard to see the fine print...thanks
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Well as Najib admitted, it wasn't even in their air space.
If it WAS in their airspace, it'll be indeed a joke that their radar didn't pick it up in the first place.
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A statement from a politician is usually a calculated one. Badawi, unlike Mahartir (spelling?) is a bit more of a peacemaker. So it is entirely possible that some diplomatic exchanges with Singapore were made before that statement was issued.Originally posted by sgf:Well as Najib admitted, it wasn't even in their air space.
If it WAS in their airspace, it'll be indeed a joke that their radar didn't pick it up in the first place.
If it indeed was an incursion by Singapore, then Badawi did the smart thing by first issuing a statement to prevent further public outcry in MY and then make private protest to the SG government not to make such further probes.
If droning was reported, then jet fighter can be ruled out. And from their description it didn't sound like a light aircraft either. So it could very well be some overly enthusiatic SAF guy operating a UAV.
It is easy to speculate that Singapore will want to test UAVs in aerial recce of Johore coast if nothing else to test its "stealth" qualitites. Well, the test has proven that UAVs are easily detectable by civilians if not by radar.
Is it unusual that Singapore does intelligence gathering? Not at all. In fact, even Australia had protested in the past about Singapore's spying activites. That Malaysia could be a potential adversary - and a very nearby one - just make the spying even more intense. -
Well, it could have been the Hermes 450 UAV that they saw. I had seen it flying last week while doing my ICT in the Lim Chu Kang area.
RSAF had probably tested it out after its display in AA2006. -
Source: Utusan Malaysia Online
Dalam Negeri
Pesawat misteri dikenal pasti milik Singapura buatan Israel
IMEJ gambar pesawat tanpa pemandu yang berlegar dekat Johor Bahru, kelmarin.
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JOHOR BAHRU 17 Mac - Pesawat tidak dikenali yang dilapor berlegar di ruang udara Gelang Patah dekat sini seperti disiarkan akhbar semalam, dikenali pasti sebagai pesawat peninjau tanpa pemandu (UAV) buatan Israel milik Tentera Udara Republik Singapura, kata seorang penganalisis pertahanan.
``Ia jenis Searcher UAV buatan syarikat Israel Aircraft Industries. Ia bukan sesuatu yang rahsia, Singapura menggunakannya sejak dari 1998,'' kata penganalisis itu yang enggan namanya disiarkan.
Bernama difahamkan, operasi pesawat UAV terbabit dijalankan oleh Skuadron 40 Tentera Udara Republik Singapura yang berpangkalan di Kem Murai, tidak jauh dari sempadan dengan Malaysia.
Kehadiran pesawat itu menimbulkan keresahan penduduk Gelang Patah kerana menyebabkan bunyi bising ``hinggakan nelayan pun tidak dapat menangkap ikan''.
Laman web Kementerian Pertahanan Singapura menyebut ia menggunakan UAV jenis Searcher yang berupaya beroperasi sejauh 100 kilometer dari pangkalannya dan selama lapan jam tanpa henti.
Republik itu dilaporkan mempunyai sekurang-kurangnya 40 pesawat jenis itu.
Mengulas isu itu, Pengerusi Kelab Penyokong-Penyokong Kerajaan Datuk Shahrir Abdul Samad, berkata negara jiran perlu memaklumkan kepada Malaysia mengenai operasi pesawat tentera mereka terutama yang berhampiran kawasan sempadan bagi mengelak rasa curiga dan bimbang di kalangan penduduk tempatan.
Katanya, tindakan memaklumkan tentang kehadiran dan operasi pesawat tentera negara jiran bukan sahaja akan membantu mengelak kekeliruan tetapi juga selaras dengan amalan berbaik-baik antara dua negara jiran yang rapat.
``Walaupun kehadiran pesawat terbabit adalah untuk mengawal sempadan atau mengelak kemasukan secara haram pendatang asing, mereka (negara jiran) patut membuat kenyataan dan memberitahu Malaysia (tentang kehadiran pesawat itu).''
``Apabila pihak berkuasa negara ini tahu mengenainya, mereka boleh menjelaskannya kepada penduduk tempatan agar tiada kekeliruan dan rasa curiga di kalangan mereka,'' katanya kepada Bernama di sini hari ini.
Shahrir berkata, apa yang berlaku di Gelang Patah adalah akibat kegagalan Singapura memaklumkan kepada Malaysia tentang kehadiran pesawat itu sehingga mengakibatkan keresahan di kalangan penduduk tempatan.
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Hmmm i cant read malay
