SAF Budget
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When SAF buys things like F15 or new toys...
where in the Annual budget is this item placed?
I never see their one-time off purchases reflected on annual budgets leh. -
I'm curious too.
Compared to the Home Affairs ministry....you can see allocation for patrol boats, Project Rampart etc. -
I also noticed that Ministry of Homa Affairs have detailed manpower strength like how many Police officers, how many Gurkhas,etc.
In Mindef's budget, only Mindef is detailed. SAF is just part of the military expenditure.
Look at line number 2900. http://www.mof.gov.sg/budget_2005/expenditure_estimates/toc.html
I am just wondering how do they "hide" big expenditures... they managed to maintain somewhat constant budget size every year...
but they can shop for
1) 1200 5- tonners... (if one SBS bus is about $300,000), using this figure... then 1200 5 tonners costs 3.6 billion.
2) F-15, 2 billion?
3) Apaches, 2 billion?
4) Chinook, 1 billion?
Hmm... i can't be bothered to check the exact amount but i guess it is in that region? -
if anyone knows how!! then it wouldnt be classified.Somehow its believe that SAF spend exceeding the figure given in yearly financial budget allocated to relevant ministries.
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That means the f-15 haven't order yet lor.
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contract has sign leh.....Originally posted by ditzy:That means the f-15 haven't order yet lor. -
MINDEF always gets around 4-6% of our GDP.
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It's great to see our defence budget increases every year. With almost S$10b, i doubt any country in SEA can match ours... Haha. That's hell lots of money in terms of land mass.
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proportionately... i think singapore spend more than USA.Originally posted by kelong70:It's great to see our defence budget increases every year. With almost S$10b, i doubt any country in SEA can match ours... Haha. That's hell lots of money in terms of land mass.
let me see.. USA during non-war time spends about US$260b, and their army active strength ... say about 950,000.
SIngapore spends about US$6b and our active strength 60,000.
260b/950,000 = 274 000 per soldier
6b/60,000 = 100, 000.
hmm. damn... they still spend more. -
Your figures are very misleading leh.Originally posted by Ponders:I also noticed that Ministry of Homa Affairs have detailed manpower strength like how many Police officers, how many Gurkhas,etc.
In Mindef's budget, only Mindef is detailed. SAF is just part of the military expenditure.
Look at line number 2900. http://www.mof.gov.sg/budget_2005/expenditure_estimates/toc.html
I am just wondering how do they "hide" big expenditures... they managed to maintain somewhat constant budget size every year...
but they can shop for
1) 1200 5- tonners... (if one SBS bus is about $300,000), using this figure... then 1200 5 tonners costs 3.6 billion.
2) F-15, 2 billion?
3) Apaches, 2 billion?
4) Chinook, 1 billion?
Hmm... i can't be bothered to check the exact amount but i guess it is in that region?
(1) 1200 trucks at $300k each cost $360m not $3.6b.
(2) The F-15 cost $1b.
(3) Apaches cost under $1b.
(4) I reckon Chinook cost $1b, maybe around $500m. And purchase of chinook is sometimes back liao. Not recent.
The above 3 adds up surely lesser than $5b, given the trucks dun cost so much when bought in bulks. With $9.6b to spent on operation, we can still buy more toys. -
I warn you already mah.. i did not check up the real facts haha. I based it on what i thought i remembered.Originally posted by kelong70:Your figures are very misleading leh.
(1) 1200 trucks at $300k each cost $360m not $3.6b.
(2) The F-15 cost $1b.
(3) Apaches cost under $1b.
(4) I reckon Chinook cost $1b, maybe around $500m. And purchase of chinook is sometimes back liao. Not recent.
The above 3 adds up surely lesser than $5b, given the trucks dun cost so much when bought in bulks. With $9.6b to spent on operation, we can still buy more toys.
But for tonners, 300k each is a very conservative estimate. because rumours i heard is they go for 500k each. So to make a good estimate i base it on a more or less similar vehicle for which i know the cost..
SBS bus is a Volvo chassis but singapore assembled shell. Significant cost savings there. Our tonner are fully German build and with, military grade transmission. I would say they are way over $300k.
300k x 1200.. hmm... yeah.. sorry.. my mistake. haha
but it shows i can be a good politician.
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An SAF Tonner cost half a mil
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if i'm right,there's a special budget for purchases of such equipment..this budget is outside of the budget that is allocated to the SAF for training and maintance of the unit strength..
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In absolute terms, the US of couse spends more on the military than anyone else.
In relative terms though, we actually spend more than the US. We spend about 4.79% of GDP on the military. Refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Armed_Forces
Meanwhile, the US spends about 3.7% of its GDP on its military:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_military_budget -
Don't recall exactly, but I think ~$8billion is logged under operational expenditure.
More transparent if there is a breakdown on this huge figure. -
$4 billion to fund sai kang.Originally posted by Fairyland:Don't recall exactly, but I think ~$8billion is logged under operational expenditure.
More transparent if there is a breakdown on this huge figure.
$ 4 billion to enlist ppl to do sai kang. -
hmm will tis become another nkf ah?
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I doubt they will ever be more transparent. I mean there are secret projects. And if they had a listing that states "secret projects" then they might as well dump everything in there.Originally posted by Fairyland:Don't recall exactly, but I think ~$8billion is logged under operational expenditure.
More transparent if there is a breakdown on this huge figure. -
US is made up of voluntary professional soldiers, we're conscripts by law. But to spend 100, 000 on conscripts is still alot. What about defence spending in switzerland? anyone knows how much is it per man?Originally posted by Ponders:proportionately... i think singapore spend more than USA.
let me see.. USA during non-war time spends about US$260b, and their army active strength ... say about 950,000.
SIngapore spends about US$6b and our active strength 60,000.
260b/950,000 = 274 000 per soldier
6b/60,000 = 100, 000.
hmm. damn... they still spend more. -
From wikipedia..i dunno how accurate but the number seems too big.Originally posted by donchoo:US is made up of voluntary professional soldiers, we're conscripts by law. But to spend 100, 000 on conscripts is still alot. What about defence spending in switzerland? anyone knows how much is it per man?
they have 200,000 active strength. expenditures US$2.5billion (wikipedia is 1998 figure, latest CIA is $2.5b)
That's much less than singapore.
But i know their funding for navy is $0. -
I dont think you should compare us to the Swiss. Lots of the world's $$$$ is over there. Any invasion and the rest of the world will rush to protecct their money.
Maybe compare to the Israelis are better. -
Haha land-locked. But then again they can spend more money on the army and air force.Originally posted by Ponders:But i know their funding for navy is $0. -
From the World Defence Almanac 2005 - Monch Publishing -Originally posted by sigal2k+:I dont think you should compare us to the Swiss. Lots of the world's $$$$ is over there. Any invasion and the rest of the world will rush to protecct their money.
Maybe compare to the Israelis are better.
Israel's defense budget is US$7.5 Billion, plus another US$2.2 Billion in US military Aid. (Population about 6.1 million)
South Korea - US$20 Billion (Population about 48.5 million) -
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what is so great about defence budget increasing every year? more money on defence means you are going to pay higher taxes, less money for education, health etc...Originally posted by kelong70:It's great to see our defence budget increases every year. With almost S$10b, i doubt any country in SEA can match ours... Haha. That's hell lots of money in terms of land mass.
it is not a question of more or big, it is about the right amount. peace can be achieved by other means other than more tanks, fighter planes, submarines. we should avoid creating an arm race - the only persons who will benefit are the weapon manufacturers.