Singapore E-2C Hawkeye replacement
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RSAF E-2C Hawkeye are close to 20 years now (del. in 1988?)... time for replacment...
link : FI dated 28 Feb 06
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/02/28/205196/Asian+Aerospace+2006+US+Navy+in+talks+over+state%e2%80%99s+Hawkeye.html
Asian Aerospace 2006: US Navy in talks over stateÂ’s Hawkeye options
Singapore has opened talks with the US Navy on options for sustaining the city stateÂ’s Northrop Grumman E-2C Hawkeye airborne early warning aircraft (AEW) for the final five years of their service lives. The talks are also examining disposal options for the aircraft.
Singapore has already acquired at least six Gulfstream Vs as its preferred replacement platform and is expected to convert the bulk of these to carry the Israel Aircraft Industries Phalcon active phased array radar.
John Beaulieu, business development manager for the USNÂ’s PMA 231 programme office, said the Hawkeye talks began on 22 February.
Speaking at the show, he said: “We anticipate that they would want to keep their aircraft flying for at least the next five years; how do we go from here to there, since they do have group zero aircraft that are rapidly facing obsolescence issues.”
Beaulieu says the navy has approached the talks in “receiving mode, to see what exactly the nature of their plan is, if they have one”.
Separately, Beaulieu says that the USN is continuing to discuss a potential Indian navy requirement for six E-2C Hawkeye 2000 configuration aircraft, although those talks are now focusing on shore-based options. The talks also include an extended range E-2C configuration that incorporates a non-folding wing, allowing the fitting of additional internal tanks in the outboard wing section.
Tom Trudell, AEW business development manager with Northrop Grumman Integrated Systems, said that the plug would provide an additional three hours endurance if retrofitted into existing aircraft, adding that detailed design studies are underway. -
I can already foresee our neighbours whining about us being insensitive by acquiring Israeli technology.
Ah who cares! Up their's!! We don't b*tch when they go shopping, so the least they can do is reciprocate. -
http://www.iai.co.il/Default.aspx?docID=32796&FolderID=32540&lang=EN&PageNum=6
New Compact Airborne Early Warning & Control System Developed By IAI's Elta Systems Group
Jun 13, 2005
CAEW&C Aircraft based on Gulfstream's G-550 Business Jet Configuration
A new compact airborne early warning & control (CAEW&C) system installed on Gulfstream's G-550 business jet has been developed by Israel Aircraft Industries' Elta Systems Group (IAI /Elta). A G-550 CAEW&C aircraft has been ordered by the Israel Air Force.
The aircraft utilizes technologies Elta successfully developed for other airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft. The business jet configuration provides a low-cost option while offering the full range of systems of larger AEW aircraft.
Elta's CAEW&C systems include phased array radar, phased array IFF (Identification of Friend or Foe), Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) and a Communication system. The communication system includes also a data link and a Satellite Communication (SATCOM) system for secure high-speed links to ground stations.
A unique fusion technique cross-correlates data from all the CAEW&C sensors allowing the aircraft to automatically search for specific targets. Data and reports can be integrated in a network centric system.
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Why replacement? As long as US is still using.
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Because the technology on our Hawkeyes are getting old. The US versions were upgraded and may be upgraded again.Originally posted by coolant:Why replacement? As long as US is still using.
The photo looks like a very badly "photoshoped" picture.
Whatever happened to RSAF's study of replacing the Hawkeyes with long endurance UAVs? -
Singapore air-space so big ... meh - Need a gulf stream jet to patrol ?
I mean how many rounds would the pilot need to make ? . Dizzie
Also, loitering endurance is also an important Awac attribute .. how long will the fuel last. It's also more wxpensive to maintain.
In another perspective, it's good to move away some vital equipment from US influence ... seeing how often the US use it's technology propriortry sales clause to force it's hands on their political fronts.
In any case, the Phalcon is exceedingly better and highly advance system... not some knock down version with suspected embedded codes that prevent you from engaging US related military ware.
Cheers Singapore.... -
But comparing the E2 with the Gulfstream, will there be any issues of integrating the Gulfstreams into the RSAF.Also, isn't it better to further upgradeour E2C and have the gulfstreams as backups?Whats the difference in Radar coverage?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I tot US is using E-3 Sentry no longer E-2C?
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On the carriers, they are still using the E-2C.Originally posted by sgf:Correct me if I'm wrong but I tot US is using E-3 Sentry no longer E-2C?
Anyway our E2c's are running out of airframe time. We'd need to replace the whole plane i think. -
Correct me if i am wrongOriginally posted by sgf:Correct me if I'm wrong but I tot US is using E-3 Sentry no longer E-2C?
E3 is Air Force
E2-C is Navy and carrier base?
i never know till recently AWACS planes are sensitive that US only sold to ppl they trust. -
Yes.UKis using the E-3. We were rumoured to be interested in the E-3 a while back.Originally posted by Ponders:Correct me if i am wrong
E3 is Air Force
E2-C is Navy and carrier base?
i never know till recently AWACS planes are sensitive that US only sold to ppl they trust.
The Global Hawk is quite confirmed... -
That might explain why 2 of our nearest neighbours don't have AWACS, though one is rumoured to be looking at one. I guess Soviet origin.Originally posted by Ponders:Correct me if i am wrong
E3 is Air Force
E2-C is Navy and carrier base?
i never know till recently AWACS planes are sensitive that US only sold to ppl they trust. -
Soviet origin! Just like their MIG-29s, i guess.Originally posted by sgf:That might explain why 2 of our nearest neighbours don't have AWACS, though one is rumoured to be looking at one. I guess Soviet origin.
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our top neighbour is interested in the Saab Erieye....do we have enough budget to have so many replacement in such a short time?
we purchase F-15SG, ec-130 for heli trainer now trainer a/c replacement, then later AJT and F-5
do we have to squeeze all within this yr? -
I don't think they intend to squeeze all in this year. Don't forget how long it took them to decide on F-15SG. It will probably take as long if not longer to decide on replacement for F-5 and E-2C.Originally posted by duotiga83:our top neighbour is interested in the Saab Erieye....do we have enough budget to have so many replacement in such a short time?
we purchase F-15SG, ec-130 for heli trainer now trainer a/c replacement, then later AJT and F-5
do we have to squeeze all within this yr? -
A-50s! LoL! I wonder how is the A-50 gonna shared data with their other western bloc aircraft. I heard our aircraft are all capable of sharing data with US forces?
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should be. since they use US avionicsOriginally posted by Shotgun:A-50s! LoL! I wonder how is the A-50 gonna shared data with their other western bloc aircraft. I heard our aircraft are all capable of sharing data with US forces? -
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Since 1998,Sg has been looking into the concept of the HALE class of vehicle that provides continuous and large spatial surveillance coverage.
Operating at 18,000 m---low level compared with satellite--can fly unmanned or be piloted manually. !!.Read below
1.Already disclosed in 2001.
--DSTA harnesses cutting edge technology to develop unmanned ground vehicle ,"We will have to look at replacing the E-2C, which has been with us for 14 years. I think the time has come," says Maj Gen Lim Chuan Poh, Singapore's Chief of Defence Force (CDF). "There are a few options to look at. There could be completely new ways of meeting the requirement. It could evolve into two different sets of platforms to meet expanded operational capabilities."
One option is a system like the LALEE, studied for three years by a team under Lui. This unmanned air vehicle is described by Prof Lui Pao Chuen, chief defence scientist at MINDEF as "an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system to provide continuous temporal and very large spatial coverage". This would "provide a task group operating in the littorals with continuous surveillance from the air [at a cost] considerably cheaper than operating current-generation surveillance and communications platforms". [/quote]---In-depth feature on Singapore's defence in JDW ,
Jane's Defence Weekly Vol 35 Issue 26 - 27 - Friday, 22 June, 2001
2. Low altitude long-enduring endurance---LALEEmay be the replacement.Defence engineers have also been working on the Lalee, or low altitude long-enduring endurance, a large aircraft that can fly unmanned or be piloted manually.
It is designed to fly at around 18,000m, above the airways and below satellite surveillance systems, possibly serving as an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system, to provide continuous coverage over a large area.
The Straits Times, Pg H6 - Saturday, February 12, 2005
3.Airspace [quote]Exploitation - HALE Vehicle
by Dr Tan Jiak Kwang
Head, Centre of Unmanned Systems
DSO National Laboratories, an affiliate of DSTA
· Over the last three years, DSO has been looking into the concept of the HALE class of vehicle that provides continuous and large spatial surveillance coverage.
· At the seminar, Dr Tan Jiak Kwang will highlight the conceptualisation of the project Low Altitude Long Enduring Endurance (LALEE) and the key technological challenges faced in its design and development.----6 November 2001,
Defence Technology Seminar -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
UK using E3? Since when? You mean the NATO aircraft? Believe UK is buying something else.
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Yes.UKis using the E-3. We were rumoured to be interested in the E-3 a while back. b] -
Erhhh... I don't think defense budget is big enough to upgrade the E2C to Hawkeye 2000 standard and still buy the gilfstream with Phalco systems.Originally posted by SpecOps87:But comparing the E2 with the Gulfstream, will there be any issues of integrating the Gulfstreams into the RSAF.Also, isn't it better to further upgradeour E2C and have the gulfstreams as backups?Whats the difference in Radar coverage?
And then still must eventually look at F5 replacement, C130 upgrade or replacement, additional F15SGs? UH1H/Super Puma replacement.. Our taxes sure go up one man. -
One of the main reasons why more people don't buy AWACs sooner is the cost. These planes don't come cheap.Originally posted by sgf:That might explain why 2 of our nearest neighbours don't have AWACS, though one is rumoured to be looking at one. I guess Soviet origin.
On top of that, you have to look at how you integrate the capability into your existing air defense systems and processes.
There are a few countries offering various AWACs type systems already. So it's not just a choice between Russia and US. -
Spore local made Bat Man MAV!!Strait Times 2004-03-07
more photo
Multirole Autonomous Vehicle---Really autonomous?
AWESOME ,TOP SECRET MUST SEE. MAV closer look.
Summary of Spore's MAV fr JDW 10.03.2004:Jane's Defence weekly. Available in public library:
Due for first flight after Asean Aerospace which held in Feb 2004.
---Subscale,all composite air-frame and twin-wheel tricycle landing gears.
( Poster's Note: In full scale production,it will be 4 to 5 times bigger.)
----powered to subsonic speed by a 0.4 kN (45 kg thrust) by a turbo fan and
SERRATED DORSAL intake(wat is it?)
---wt empty 60 kg plus 20 kg pay load.
2.Read the expired thread for info.Any info for test flights.Note OSA lah.
pl read thro Spore Technology and its sisters co sites,there may be more
interesting info which Sg want to tell unofficially.
3.Would this MAV be one,or only one ,of E2C replacement?
4.watch our stuffs in AA 2004note the MAV.
What is it seen in AA 2004?
This is MAV made in Sg.
5.a scaled-up version can be built. It will have a wingspan of 8m and should be able to carry 800kgDr Tan Jiak Kwang, ST Aero's chief engineer, said the MAV-1, which looks like the F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter, is built entirely out of composites.
The 'batwing' is powered by a single turbofan engine producing 100lbs of thrust.
Over the next six months, a series of tests will be conducted on the flight systems.
Right now, the demonstrator, as they call it, can carry a load of 20kg of equipment like cameras and sensors. It has a wingspan of 1.8m.
If the tests prove successful, a scaled-up version can be built. It will have a wingspan of 8m and should be able to carry 800kg. The range is expected to be comparable to that of a jet fighter. -
I believe the UK uses the NimrodOriginally posted by insouciant:UK using E3? Since when? You mean the NATO aircraft? Believe UK is buying something else. -
UK uses both E-3(being NATO) and nimrod