which airsoft?
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well i still dont know... it is a toy gun and toy guns falls only fall under CONTROLLED ITEMS and not actuall arms. it falls under CONTROLLED ITEMS which include Boomerangs. I dont know that Boomerangs are controlled here too. controlled item need clearence from A&E Dept... but what is the criteria for approval? - they never says.Originally posted by zoik:cold_Zero: Rather than draw lines, they draw large nets around, as a 'catch all'.
This does include Airsoft as it does discharge something - it didnt necessarily have to be a bullet, plastic ball or a metal one.
Airsoft also clearly goes into the 'Imitation' category as they are copies, many of which are licenced, of the real weapons, even if the material and the internals are clearly not. -
But i actually managed to bring in a AEG mp5 fully assembled. What i did was to ask the sender to label it as a toy. So i was wondering if i could get a bolt action rifle in broken down. I was considering between VSR-10 gspec from tokyo marui and the vrs-11 from HFC. Furthermore the store that i got my stuff from will help you "increase" ur chances of bringing in.Originally posted by cold_Zero:If I am right, it's the VSR-11 made by HFC right? It will be seize by customs even if it's the butt only. It's too big and it will attract attention.
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1. he referred to HFC gas. Unless its red/CO2 gas, HFC nearly always refers to either HFC134a or HFC22 gas.Originally posted by cold_Zero:If I am right, it's the VSR-11 made by HFC right? It will be seize by customs even if it's the butt only. It's too big and it will attract attention.
By the way, anyone ever have their airsoft seized by customs? What happen next?
HFC22 is also known as Green Gas, and is thought also to be propane, or at least very similar.
The lowest power gas used in Airsoft is HFC134a, iirc is the replacement gas used in refridgeration [used to be Freon, also used in Airsoft at one time, about 20-odd years ago].
2. HFC manufacture, amongst their range, copies of Tokyo Marui's products. You are right in that the HFC make a copy of the VSR-10, and label it the VSR-11, but you are incorrect in that it is a spring-powered rifle, there is no gas usage.
edit: I've not handled the gas model of the HFC VSR so i'm unfamiliar with it.
HFC gas.
HFC134a is the only gas allowed on the playing fields of Japan as it keeps airsoft guns within the power limits imposed on sites.
Western Arms and Tokyo Marui designed their gas blowback and non-blowback guns around this gas.
More powerful gas such as HFC22 can be used, but it shortens the lifespan of these Airsoft products significantly.
Outside of Japan, HFC134a is still popular because it operates well within the tolerances of all gas-powered Airsoft guns. It is, however, not very powerful.
HFC22 or Green Gas is the preferred gas, and deals well in cold temperatures [Where HFC134a may not be powerful enough to cycle a gun in cold weather] and its is often used to give gas guns that extra power, kick, recoil, range, and fps.
Guns manufactured in Taiwan and China are typically designed around this higher power gas and perform well, though they are backwards compatible with HFC134a.
KSC, KWA, HFC, KJW, etc typically encourage the use of HFC22 to cycle their guns properly, especially those of all metal or slide metal construction, where the mass is significantly higher than ABS/plastic. -
well, rather than saying it is banned outright, Airsoft IS a controlled item, and deemed to be sufficiently similar to real firearms, if only by its looks and faux operation.Originally posted by cold_Zero:well i still dont know... it is a toy gun and toy guns falls only fall under CONTROLLED ITEMS and not actuall arms. it falls under CONTROLLED ITEMS which include Boomerangs. I dont know that Boomerangs are controlled here too. controlled item need clearence from A&E Dept... but what is the criteria for approval? - they never says.
I say controlled because you *can* legally import Airsoft. You just need a licence to be able to do so, and like real firearms licences, I dont think many people *personally* have that kind of licence!
Join a club and you'd be fine. Just dont take it home.Btw, does anyone know where to get the HFC gas for airsoft in singapore, i was thinking of getting a gas powered bolt action rifle as i'm into the sniping role now.
Gas sniping is rather notorious, if only because of the odd peculiarities associated with the gas itself and the operation of the gas rifle.
More often than not, the gas rifle will lead to inconsistent shooting, whereas a spring-based rifle will be somewhat more consistently accurate.
Tanaka's M700, Police, and M700 Takedown (You can flip a tab, and unscrew the weapon so it is split in half and store it or carry it that way, the mountings do not get disturbed so your zero should be held) and the more recent AICS M700 are examples of widely used, and well regarded gas rifles.
HFC22 typically gets you 500fps.
HFC134a considerably less.
Change your ammo when you use sniper rifles as it affects their flight path and ballistic characteristics.
Maruzen's L96 Police and Tokyo Marui's VSR series are typically well regarded spring rifles. Consistently reliable and accurate, many people prefer these over the gas rifles for these reasons.
KJW and HFC have been making copies of everyone elses rifles for some time.
KJW's copies of Tanaka's rifles have been quite successful at less than half the price but with identical construction.
Other rifles such as the M24 and APS etc, although they have good reputations, they all require a considerable investment in both money and parts and labour and maintenance in getting them up to a performance that equals the L96 and VSR series that perform well straight-from-the-box. -
oh, i thought he is refering to the HFC VSR-11 Gas Model.Originally posted by zoik:LOL no, i dont think so!
1. he referred to HFC gas. Unless its red/CO2 gas, HFC nearly always refers to either HFC134a or HFC22 gas.
HFC22 is also known as Green Gas, and is thought also to be propane, or at least very similar.
The lowest power gas used in Airsoft is HFC134a, iirc is the replacement gas used in refridgeration [used to be Freon, also used in Airsoft at one time, about 20-odd years ago].
2. HFC manufacture, amongst their range, copies of Tokyo Marui's products. You are right in that the HFC make a copy of the VSR-10, and label it the VSR-11, but you are incorrect in that it is a spring-powered rifle, there is no gas usage.
HFC gas.
HFC134a is the only gas allowed on the playing fields of Japan as it keeps airsoft guns within the power limits imposed on sites.
Western Arms and Tokyo Marui designed their gas blowback and non-blowback guns around this gas.
More powerful gas such as HFC22 can be used, but it shortens the lifespan of these Airsoft products significantly.
Outside of Japan, HFC134a is still popular because it operates well within the tolerances of all gas-powered Airsoft guns. It is, however, not very powerful.
HFC22 or Green Gas is the preferred gas, and deals well in cold temperatures [Where HFC134a may not be powerful enough to cycle a gun in cold weather] and its is often used to give gas guns that extra power, kick, recoil, range, and fps.
Guns manufactured in Taiwan and China are typically designed around this higher power gas and perform well, though they are backwards compatible with HFC134a.
KSC, KWA, HFC, KJW, etc typically encourage the use of HFC22 to cycle their guns properly, especially those of all metal or slide metal construction, where the mass is significantly higher than ABS/plastic. -
Actually u are all right, i get confuse between HCF and HFC. Watever..
Anyway i've also heard that gas powered rifles are inconsistant in their accuracy, due to the gas pressure decreasing with each shot.
Might as well get a spring cocking rifle with upgraded parts for shooting up to 400fps?? Might require some force to cock the rifle though.. Btw for rifles without rails for sights, e.g TM vrs-10, do i need to buy the rails and stuff to drill them in, or can it be easily mounted? -
You need to buy the rails but they are easily mounted. no drilling required iirc.
Why not buy a VSR G Spec? The rail is already supplied with it installed.
I use a Maruzen L96, i have two cylinders, one for use on 1j fields [328fps] and one for use on MinDef [uk equiv] training bases and other sites that accept higher-than-1j for sniper rifles [500fps].
Co cking the rifle is not hard at all. Takes getting used to if youre used to a stock spring, and perhaps moreso if youre used to a gas rifle for which the co cking action merely chambered a round.
some have required reinforced bolt handles though, as with everything else upgraded, the weak point transfers to a different area, and its usually the bolt handle, which can snap off.
gas is fun though...
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I was considering a G spec since its an affordable entry level rifle with rather good performance for its pricing. However the power out of box is only at 275fps, which means i might need to spend quite abit to bring it up to 350-400 fps.
It doesn't look like it has a solid feel though. But for TM price, i can't really complain.
Nice pics, i like the weathered look on your rifle. Looks like it has been through the mill. Btw what scope would you recommend? Tasco looks good for entry level. -
here we goOriginally posted by mrwonderful:don u did not reply to my PM. Anyway got a link to that CO2 vulcan Heng?
And for LMGs, STAR M249s are more worth the money, you are just trading in a full metal CA M249 for a STAR mostly plastic M249 for half the cost, whichs gives higher FPS and is just as reliable! PLus being lighter means its not so heavy to lug aroudn during scrims.
http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/product.asp?page=product&id=VULCAN
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meh i will.Originally posted by zoik:The airsoft Vulcans are somewhat notorious.
While they have made appearances on the field, they eat up so much ammunition and require so much care and attention, that they are little more than liabilities to themselves.
They also tend to make the user an instant BB magnet
HENG@ you better buy quick before all the Laws come into effect and you cant buy the guns you want anymore in the UK.
(Move to Europe!)
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Tasco are good yes, i used to use a Simmons scope on my G3 SG-1, and was open sighted on my M1 Carbine.
my rifle is boxed away at the moment, but i believe thats a Tasco 3-9x40E illuminated scope, and its very nice too.
That 'weathered' look is not far off the normal look actually.
The photos are quite old.
Its since been dragged through trenches and military FIBUA training complexes and is considerably roughened and scratched up now...maybe even a bit rusty..
HENG@ have you been to wolf armouries yet?
theres quite a number of sg guys in uk who play airsoft..
i believe one of them actually works in wolfs, and plays in a sg police SWAT-style loadout up at USAF Upwood .. -
The listed items looks pretty expensive. Try this one, http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/HomeOriginally posted by HENG@:
They ship worldwide, yes including sg. Prices are attractive too -
Nah airsoft is banned here pure and simple. And not to be a killjoy or anything, but since airsoft is banned in sg, and this is an sg forum, its not too wise discussing this topic here. I mean, the Singapore Police Force board is just around the corner!Originally posted by cold_Zero:well i still dont know... it is a toy gun and toy guns falls only fall under CONTROLLED ITEMS and not actuall arms. it falls under CONTROLLED ITEMS which include Boomerangs. I dont know that Boomerangs are controlled here too. controlled item need clearence from A&E Dept... but what is the criteria for approval? - they never says.
And most airsoft boards at sgforums end up being led by a few posters mainly zoik and heng who are safe from the strict laws here. And also gets bashed by a few ignorants who dont know a bit about airsoft just that it ressembles replicas.
To them: Airsoft guns, NOT Air guns, are incapable of killing, fullstop. The most a highly modded airsoft gun can go is i estimate 600 FPS, which is VERY extreme. That will make you bleed, but definitely not kill a healthy human being. And So you think, they are dangerous as they can be used to commit crimes ie. robberies. Then why are no firing REPLICAS allowed in singapore? You see them at stalls at CSC, china made non firing replicas. Just paint over the orange tips,(any 59 yr old can do), and you have a gun that looks like a real gun.
I think airsoft is banned here because singapore prides itself highly on its police state and high security model, which encourages foreign entreperneurs, hence investment, at the expense the hobby. From the governments point of view its a very worthy trade off. and there some ppl like old folks and conservatives (Read above paragraph) which would never be able to adapt such an idea. there are alot of disadvantages, but they should also think of all the potential benefits. Airsoft is great fun and so many ppl, or everyone, are denied the possibility, even awarness of its existence, of playing it here.
I dont know if anyone her has heard, but there were rumours that the SG governemnt would review its airsoft laws, now tts small hope considering all the factors and the recent gun violence. Alright thanks for reading -
ah i went past their shop recently. Took 214 to Camden n went past it. Haven't been in it tho. Recently having to save up a bit so im laying off buying anything for this month.Originally posted by zoik:Tasco are good yes, i used to use a Simmons scope on my G3 SG-1, and was open sighted on my M1 Carbine.
my rifle is boxed away at the moment, but i believe thats a Tasco 3-9x40E illuminated scope, and its very nice too.
That 'weathered' look is not far off the normal look actually.
The photos are quite old.
Its since been dragged through trenches and military FIBUA training complexes and is considerably roughened and scratched up now...maybe even a bit rusty..
HENG@ have you been to wolf armouries yet?
theres quite a number of sg guys in uk who play airsoft..
i believe one of them actually works in wolfs, and plays in a sg police SWAT-style loadout up at USAF Upwood .. -
oh i know this site. The shipping fees will kill me tho.Originally posted by donchoo:The listed items looks pretty expensive. Try this one, http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Home
They ship worldwide, yes including sg. Prices are attractive too -
agree. airsofts can't kill. ever. I regularly shoot myself in the arm or legs at point blank with my airsofts. I also have shootouts with my friend when he visits my flat. It would be a joke to say it can kill. It might injure, if it hits the eyes, but it certainly could be used to commit a crime, as its not easy to tell if its a real weapon or not. Hence I guess that is a consideration for the sg govt to ban airsofts. Its their decision, and much as I don't like it, they do have valid reasons. Hence, I will only keep my airsofts in London, I won't ever bring them back to Sg. There is no reason to bring them back to Sg anyway.Originally posted by mrwonderful:Nah airsoft is banned here pure and simple. And not to be a killjoy or anything, but since airsoft is banned in sg, and this is an sg forum, its not too wise discussing this topic here. I mean, the Singapore Police Force board is just around the corner!
And most airsoft boards at sgforums end up being led by a few posters mainly zoik and heng who are safe from the strict laws here. And also gets bashed by a few ignorants who dont know a bit about airsoft just that it ressembles replicas.
To them: Airsoft guns, NOT Air guns, are incapable of killing, fullstop. The most a highly modded airsoft gun can go is i estimate 600 FPS, which is VERY extreme. That will make you bleed, but definitely not kill a healthy human being. And So you think, they are dangerous as they can be used to commit crimes ie. robberies. Then why are no firing REPLICAS allowed in singapore? You see them at stalls at CSC, china made non firing replicas. Just paint over the orange tips,(any 59 yr old can do), and you have a gun that looks like a real gun.
I think airsoft is banned here because singapore prides itself highly on its police state and high security model, which encourages foreign entreperneurs, hence investment, at the expense the hobby. From the governments point of view its a very worthy trade off. and there some ppl like old folks and conservatives (Read above paragraph) which would never be able to adapt such an idea. there are alot of disadvantages, but they should also think of all the potential benefits. Airsoft is great fun and so many ppl, or everyone, are denied the possibility, even awarness of its existence, of playing it here.
I dont know if anyone her has heard, but there were rumours that the SG governemnt would review its airsoft laws, now tts small hope considering all the factors and the recent gun violence. Alright thanks for reading -
It might be able to collapse ur eyeball if u get hit by a high velocity 6mm bb.. ahahah.
True... airsoft guns are soooo dangerous cos they look like real guns and their bb rounds can hurt ppl.
Let me highlight the irony...
I can buy a 60lb recurve hunting bow, together with arrows WITHOUT licenses or any registration. And those... well THEY CAN KILL. 6mm bbs would give u a bruise. I shoot u in the neck with my bow, u're gonna bleed. Of course that im planning to kill anyone... Besides 60lbs not competition legal. =/ -
There's no irony.Originally posted by Shotgun:It might be able to collapse ur eyeball if u get hit by a high velocity 6mm bb.. ahahah.
True... airsoft guns are soooo dangerous cos they look like real guns and their bb rounds can hurt ppl.
Let me highlight the irony...
I can buy a 60lb recurve hunting bow, together with arrows WITHOUT licenses or any registration. And those... well THEY CAN KILL. 6mm bbs would give u a bruise. I shoot u in the neck with my bow, u're gonna bleed. Of course that im planning to kill anyone... Besides 60lbs not competition legal. =/
You can walk into a bank with a concealed airsoft and then attempt to hold up the bank - and you may even succeed if you have a lot of nerve. Or even rob a cabdriver, or relieve someone of their wallet in some dark alley.
But I don't see how you can walk around with a concealed bow and arrows : )
And unfortunately, people attempting to rob banks with airsoft continues to happen everywhere in the world.
Or if the cops see you with a bow and arrow they might persuade you to surrender.
But if you produce something that look convincingly like a firearm, you might end up shot and causing the police a lot of trouble. -
Damn, the shop still hasn't delivered my airsoft - I hope I'm not being ripped off. Already paid SGD 600.
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People have been shot for having table legs in bags (police thought he had a shotgun)
or carrying nothing but a newspaper (Brazilian shot by police in London on the underground)
What shop in HK was that?
Not easier to go down yourself and have picked it up or mailed it back to yourself?
There are supposed to be shops and stalls in and around Shanghai that you can just buy Airsoft from.
Thats what i gathered from other Chinese ... -
I live in Shanghai, and apparently, they have to smugggle it from HK via Guangzhou. Or so the story goes.
If I get ripped off it won't be so much the loss of money as in the severe disappointment of nearly owning a devastatingly handsome replica weapon. -
hmmm, well i hope it goes okay.
The underground presence in China seems to be alot larger than in other countries where it is also banned.
Guangzhou is another place that i hear Airsoft is easy to get, presumably because of its geographical convenience towards HK.. -
despite its strict communist government, china continues to be the place where anything is possible if you know the right people or have money. Just don't get caught.
For example Beijing is the vice captial of china
Once caught the courts can be merciless and it may be impossible to bribe your way through once arrested. and sentencing is ridiculously harsh.
I have seen many pictures of firing squad executions - even of women. Most countries do not execute women but in china they do. Seen some gory pics of women with their faces shot off etc or about to be shot by paramilitary police. No ceremony. Just made to kneel bound with ropes in front small rise in a barren ground and then shot by a single rifleman - those I saw were using AK-type.
Or in some cases pistol to the temple. sorry, I'm sure you didn't need to know all this. -
its okay, nothing i've not heard or even seen before [well, not seen personally anyway].
I'm not prudish or too conservative