which airsoft?
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why does that guy seem to think he is safe behind that table board thing against the tree? Propping up his gun like that...... Any rifle can penetrate that board. Good concealment, bad cover. These guys don't look like proffessional soldiers to me.
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er.. cos theyre not.
this is an airsoft topic...
although some of these are professionals [not necessarily shown in the pictures] most adapt what they know from their day jobs and water it down to airsoft level, for the 'fun' factor. -
I've been in a few airsoft "battles" in Hongkong. I must say it is the best fun you can have with your pants on. The fear of getting hit - very very painful - brought such a level of realism to the game that all my training as an infantryman never had.
When you hit the dirt, you really hit the dirt. Often just miliseconds before a burst of pellets shreds the foilage above my un-helmeted head. -
Damn, my airsoft weapon still hasn't arrived. The wait is driving me NUTS.
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yeah, it is a lot of fun.
and the real deal guys like it too as it doesnt hurt as much as simmunitions [and you dont have to wear annoying paintball masks] and youre using realistic weapons to train/play with so you do everything that you'd do normally with your service weapons, its just that no one gets hurt and no one dies and its alot quieter..
on a sidenote, perhaps its worth moving this thread to the still open AIRSOFT sub forum instead of here in Military Nuts? -
Yeah. You should try CQB with a few ppl in a big deserted and quiet building. is damn scary and damn fun.
however i think outfield is not tt bad as vests absorb alot of the impact of BBs. You may not even feel the shot hitting ur chest, dont even talk abt pain. Unless ur gun is highly modded -
Normally you can hear them hitting you if youre wearing hard armour or alot of gear - anywhere unprotected, you can feel them. If you get a 'facial' you definately know about it!
Even if you suspects its a ricochet, the honourable thing is to call yourself out - best to be sportsmanlike.
Mixed environments with both woodland, and open fields, trenches, tunnels and urban areas gives the best of both worlds with both FIBUA and CQB procedures required.
Disembarking from tracked mech in the middle of the night in a massed assault is alot of fun though. -
where do you guys go to find other like minded hobbyists anyway?
i'd like to find more ppl in tokyo to have fun with. -
i bet you would...
as for finding people - its quite different in each country i think.
in most instances, if you can, just find out the field you'd like to visit and turn up.
i understand it might be slightly different in japan, andof course, they do not publish much in anything other than their native language, which makes it harder to work out.
i had a video that was made in japan and followed a bunch of girls as they went from being n00bs to the sport and then try out the guns and then try out the games at various sites. the fone that sticks in my head is First http://first-jp.com/brief/field.html [i think they also sponsored the video though..] -
But then again, the law is not clear about that. You see, under ARMS AND EXPLOSIVES ACT (CHAPTER 13):Originally posted by Shotgun:So do you have the license to import? If so, i can place order with u? LOL!
Otherwise, good luck getting past customs seizure. No refund if ur airsoft gets seized.
The police does have an official stand on airsoft. It falls in the same category as FIREARMs. Which is damn sad.
Seriously, if u are a licensed importer, let me know. =D I've been trying to get USP Compact airsoft pistol for AGES.
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"arms" includes firearms, air-guns, air-pistols, automatic guns, automatic pistols, and guns or any other kind of gun from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" :quote
"air-guns" and "air-pistols" are totally diff from "Airsoft". air-guns/pistols use diabolo metal pallet which can travel at the speed of sound and is use for hunting. Airsoft is different, it use plastic sphere shape pallet and it's power can't even penatrate human skin. Futhermore, no parts of any Airsofts can be modified to accommodate a real bullet. We can read up books on air-gums/pistols and Airsofts to find out more different.
This put Airsofts under "kind of gun from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" If we look at this line, basically it put almost every toy guns you find in Singapore (even those you seen at shopping centers mama shops) illegal. The law did not even state that if the Airsofts are consider as toy or as shedual weapons.
The only clear part is the ARMS OFFENCES ACT (CHAPTER 14), which state that "imitation arm" means anything which has the appearance of being an arm. So my question here is that are Airsofts just consider as "imitation arm"? Again, any toy guns can be "imitation arms". There is penalty for exhibiting imitation arm when committing scheduled offence. But is there still a penalty if no offence is committ?
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hard choice. if i were u i'd buy both!Originally posted by tvdog:I live in Shanghai and I finally found a shop that brings in airsoft rifles etc.
They have to smuggle it in from HK etc but to cut a long story short, I have set my sights on 2 models, both from Hong Kong manufacturer Classic Army.
Which one do you guys think is better? Both received highly-rated appraisal on the web so it boils down to looks, esthetics etc
a)M-15A4 SPC
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b)M-15A4 CQB
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i prefer to keep all of mine in UK. someday i will make that great leap from spring powered to electronic powered.Originally posted by cold_Zero:But then again, the law is not clear about that. You see, under ARMS AND EXPLOSIVES ACT (CHAPTER 13):
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"arms" includes firearms, air-guns, air-pistols, automatic guns, automatic pistols, and guns or any other kind of gun from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" :quote
"air-guns" and "air-pistols" are totally diff from "Airsoft". air-guns/pistols use diabolo metal pallet which can travel at the speed of sound and is use for hunting. Airsoft is different, it use plastic sphere shape pallet and it's power can even penatrate human skin. Futhermore, no parts of the airsoft can be modified to accommodate a real bullet. We can read up books on air-gums/pistols and Airsofts.
This put airsoft under "under kind of gun from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" Looking at this line, basically it puts almost every toy guns you find in Singapore (even those you seen at shopping centers mama shops) illegal. The law did not even state that if the Airsofts are consider as toy nor a shedual weapons.
The only clear part is the ARMS OFFENCES ACT (CHAPTER 14), which state that "imitation arm" means anything which has the appearance of being an arm. So my question here is that are Airsofts just consider as "imitation arm"? Again, any toy guns can be "imitation arms".
So, where is the line drawn?
I've set my sights on this baby
Custom made full metal fun at 50 rounds/sec.
The eletrically driven barrels spit out the C02 powered BBs at a power level of your choice. The minigun is made to order and some options can be specified by the customer. Please call for more info.
Price including VAT: £3749.99 -
They cost nearly USD500 each. So buying both at one go is out of the question. There are still so many other models to consider like the AK series, a shotgun, pistols etc...Originally posted by HENG@:hard choice. if i were u i'd buy both!
Eventually, I want to buy a good M-16A1 replica as a memory of my rifleman days in SAF. -
im saving up for my 1st electric airsoft, as seen above.Originally posted by tvdog:They cost nearly USD500 each. So buying both at one go is out of the question. There are still so many other models to consider like the AK series, a shotgun, pistols etc...
Eventually, I want to buy a good M-16A1 replica as a memory of my rifleman days in SAF. -
Ultimate wish list:
I wish someone would produce the Ultimax-100 in airsoft.
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The firepower of the (vulcan?) gattling gun might be impressive - but lookwise, it is nothing more than a collection of tubes and cylinders.
CA makes a all metal Minimi if you want to have something more substantial:
About SGD1,000 to 2,000, if you separately purchace the underslung plastic square box magazine. -
no i want the vulcan. i will mount it on a swivel gun mount on my balcony, and shoot pigeons, pearl harbour AA style.Originally posted by tvdog:The firepower of the (vulcan?) gattling gun might be impressive - but lookwise, it is nothing more than a collection of tubes and cylinders.
CA makes a all metal Minimi if you want to have something more substantial:
About SGD1,000 to 2,000, if you separately purchace the underslung plastic square box magazine.
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Haha i live in singapore and trust me. airsoft is extremely hard to come by. I've got several rifles but other than that, not much. No handguns though cos it can't be stripped down and smuggled in.
Btw, does anyone know where to get the HFC gas for airsoft in singapore, i was thinking of getting a gas powered bolt action rifle as i'm into the sniping role now. -
don u did not reply to my PM. Anyway got a link to that CO2 vulcan Heng?
And for LMGs, STAR M249s are more worth the money, you are just trading in a full metal CA M249 for a STAR mostly plastic M249 for half the cost, whichs gives higher FPS and is just as reliable! PLus being lighter means its not so heavy to lug aroudn during scrims.
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The CA is still more robust and perhaps more reliable than the Star M249.
Star has plus points in poly/plastic construction=lightness and overall cost is cheap, and the magazines are much better than CA's.
CA has metal construction which makes them better than both Star and Top in the robustness stakes, and the internals are pretty reliable.
Minus is that it does cost twice as much as the Star, but its still cheaper than Top.
The cocking [charging] handle is movable [but non functional] in the CA and Top for that matter] but just immovable moulded plastic on the Star.
The Star's cannot use an M16 magazine when not using the box magazine.
(I cant remember if CA can or not - probably not, but the Top could)
The M249 is the Support weapon of choice on the Airsoft field.
The airsoft Vulcans are somewhat notorious.
While they have made appearances on the field, they eat up so much ammunition and require so much care and attention, that they are little more than liabilities to themselves.
They also tend to make the user an instant BB magnet
HENG@ you better buy quick before all the Laws come into effect and you cant buy the guns you want anymore in the UK.
(Move to Europe!)
cold_Zero: Rather than draw lines, they draw large nets around, as a 'catch all'.and guns or any other kind of gun from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged
This does include Airsoft as it does discharge something - it didnt necessarily have to be a bullet, plastic ball or a metal one.
Airsoft also clearly goes into the 'Imitation' category as they are copies, many of which are licenced, of the real weapons, even if the material and the internals are clearly not.
Funny thing is, they allow the use and playing of Paintball RAM/RAP type weapons elsewhere in sg.
So why not Airsoft?
The RAP/RAM's are actually made by Classic Army under its Chinese name - quite clearly an Airsoft manufacturer of some note.
So this is where the line, for me, is very blur.
By this example, whats to stop someone creating a game site, where the weapons are held on-site until used, just like in an ordinary gun club, or indeed the Airsoft Asia IPSC club?
No one takes it home, its stored safely, but you guys can import what you want! And, whats more, you can actually use them legally then!
But no, Airsoft has some kind of stigma attached to it thanks to shortsightedness of some... -
I remember reading an article that SAF has begun trials with airsoft for training.
If I remember correctly, the AEG they used are Classic Army.
There is a Japanese brand called Systema that makes some kind of AEG not for sale to civilians. Apparently they are only for sale to law enforcement agencies for training purposes. Anyone can shed any light? -
Yeah, its the Systema PTW - Professional Training Weapon.
Systema initially supplied LE units in the US for training, and once that was complete they sold commercially.
The first few batches exhibited quite a few problems.
Subsequent production [which was rumoured to have been canned due to poor sales] yielded improved products and now they are quite well regarded.
Construction is made with Die-cast aluminium, which overall means weight is identical to the real steel.
All dimensions are identical to real steel.
(Airsoft AEG's traditionally had slightly incorrect measurements - partially because the gearbox and motors were wider than a real steel handgrip and receiver, amongst other reasons)
Any plastic used on this is fibre reinforced meaning its much stronger than any equivalent Airsoft plastic/poly material.
The differences to normal Airsoft is that its functionality and detail is closer to the real weapon.
Although this is still an AEG, it stops firing after last round leaves the barrel, and the PTW is the only AEG that always cycle the gearbox when you pull the trigger (means you cannot 'just tap' the triger to let off a round or prep a round liek in Airsoft. You hit the trigger, rifle will fire, meaning you must always observe proper firearm safety procedure).
The magazines used are real steel dimensions [Airsoft magazines are traditionally shorter]. Each Systema magazine has a follower that triggers a switch in the body to cut off power to the gearbox whenever the magazine is empty.
Because of the follower design, it doesn't matter if you load 5 rounds or 50 rounds into the magazine (which holds 120rds - but you can low-load the magazines), the gun will still stop firing after you clear the mag.
Instructors can choose to pre-load only 30 rounds of BBs into each magazine to simulate the actual weapon's capacity, and together with realistic rate of fire it even mimics how fast one might run out of rounds and needed to reload in a stressed environment.
Beyond that, once you've inserted a fresh magazine you will also have to hit the bolt-release button (which internally resets the circuitry) to ready the weapon - again just like the real-steel.
The sound is very different to an ordinary AEG - you cannot hear the gearbox 'turning over' to complete its cycle before firing a round, which you normally can in ordinary Airsoft AEG's.
Realism breaks with the PTW when you field strip the weapon or pull the charging handle.
The gearbox is a new improved split case design that allows the upper part to separate away with the upper receiver. This allows quick change of the spring unit, abit like how ICS and the newer Star AEG's offer quick change solutions.
The charging handle does its job, but only has a small amount of movement to do its job.
Hop-up can only be done by field stripping the weapon so you have access to a screw set in the upper receiver. This is one of the drawbacks of the PTW.
I believe the FPS is adjustable - you can order different types of piston/spring units, but they come as complete units and not easily modifiable yourself.
The other, main, drawback of the PTW is price. Because of what they are, and who theyre normally aimed at, their per unit cost is about US$1000.
PTW's are currently available as M16-A2, A3, and M4-A1 (with Crane stock for improved battery performance), and can be bought from any major Airsoft retailer.
Systema are currently developing SMG (MP5's) and handgun versions of their PTW system.
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helped tremendously, as their official website su.ck.
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info is supplied from other reviews as well as knowing some people who own them (and had to return some early batch products because of faults).
All later batches appeared to satisfy everyone with their construction, reliabilty, performance and overall 'realistic' aspects, especially when compared to normal Airsoft products! -
If I am right, it's the VSR-11 made by HFC right? It will be seize by customs even if it's the butt only. It's too big and it will attract attention.Originally posted by donchoo:Haha i live in singapore and trust me. airsoft is extremely hard to come by. I've got several rifles but other than that, not much. No handguns though cos it can't be stripped down and smuggled in.
Btw, does anyone know where to get the HFC gas for airsoft in singapore, i was thinking of getting a gas powered bolt action rifle as i'm into the sniping role now.
By the way, anyone ever have their airsoft seized by customs? What happen next?