which airsoft?
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I live in Shanghai and I finally found a shop that brings in airsoft rifles etc.
They have to smuggle it in from HK etc but to cut a long story short, I have set my sights on 2 models, both from Hong Kong manufacturer Classic Army.
Which one do you guys think is better? Both received highly-rated appraisal on the web so it boils down to looks, esthetics etc
a)M-15A4 SPC
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b)M-15A4 CQB
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a) fixed with the collapsible butt-stock.
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do u mean version A but with a colllapsible butt?Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:a) fixed with the collapsible butt-stock.
There is a version with the M-4 type collapsible stock. But this means the batteries are stored at the front of the weapon. THis would make the front part too heavy. -
aaa sg where can buy?
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Yup, that's what I meant. I would just love to have a replica of my "wife".Originally posted by tvdog:do u mean version A but with a colllapsible butt?
There is a version with the M-4 type collapsible stock. But this means the batteries are stored at the front of the weapon. THis would make the front part too heavy. -
I know what you mean by your "wife" - not exactly an M4, but a CAR-15 Israeli-style.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Yup, that's what I meant. I would just love to have a replica of my "wife".
But like I said, the M4/CAR-15 collapsible butt cannot store a battery. And this means the battery has to be stored in the front part of the weapon either within the foregrip housing, or above it inside a mock laser unit. Both these options means making the weapon front heavy.
Though the M4/CAR-15 collapsible butt is most good-looking.
Originally, I placed an order for the "A" option of M-15 SPC (Special Purpose Carbine) - which was what I wanted originally. But just now I changed my order to the CQB option.
Because at the shop this morningI handled the "B" option which is the CQB version. The butt is collapsible but is referred to as the "crane" which means it is wider than the normal M4 butt. Thus it can store the battery.
The CQB weapon is shorter than the SPC. It is an all metal construction (as is the SPC), which means it is one nasty-looking piece of compact weaponry. I picked it up and it was wicked - so dense and reassuringly heavy. Officially its weight is listed as 3kg. One guy weighed it and reported that it was 3.9kg.
Being a traditionalist I originally wanted a M16A1 just like my wife in the army. But heck, who can say "no" to this baby. I feel like a old man buying a red sports car
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aye, thats quite sweet.
Theres so many manufacturers of airsoft guns now, perhaps a half dozen more between china and taiwan.
Good time to invest in cheap airsoft gear. -
There are shops in Singapore dealing in airsoft equipment?
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No that I'm aware of.
you have to have a licence to import and airsoft per se is illegal [unless in airsoft gun club] -
I live in Shanghai, where police hasn't yet has an official position on airsoft. But the import of such things is of course, not permitted. But China manufactures airsoft, I think, so it is a grey area.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:There are shops in Singapore dealing in airsoft equipment?
It is not an offence to possess one but nobody is taking any chances - it's still hush hush.
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This baby cost USD500.Originally posted by zoik:aye, thats quite sweet.
Theres so many manufacturers of airsoft guns now, perhaps a half dozen more between china and taiwan.
Good time to invest in cheap airsoft gear.
I wouldn't exactly call it "cheap".
Though Classic Army is a Hong Kong manufacturer, their M-16 series is actually endorsed by Armalite - the US company that originally made the AR-15 until Colt took over the government contract. And Armalite will not just endorse any old airsoft replica.
Each weapon has the Armalite logo and a running serial number. The whole thing is of metal construction except obviously the handguard etc. And this is now one of the most highly rated brand name way above Tokyo Marui, which continue to make mostly plastic replicas.
This Classic Army model has a one piece barrel and the whole thing feels rigid. When I tested the thing, the only part that wobbled was the collapsible stock. But when I get tired of this collapsible stock I plan to replace it with a standard M-16 stock. -
The owner of the shop also showed me one accessory which is a China-made aimpoint red-dot scope. The thing cost under SGD 100 and it works - amazingly. Though I have yet to try it out to see what its flaws are. And yes, it is emblazoned with the Aimpoint logo as it seems the culture of brand labelling has crept into airsoft. Doubtless because so many HKongers love airsoft.
I can imagine them alll getting geared up with their outfits and airsoft and then examining each others' labels. -
angel ftw!
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duh... what is "angel ftw"?Originally posted by coffeeortea:angel ftw!
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didnt know shanghainese also visit sgforum.
btw welcum -
U know how many Sg ppl live in SH? Guess N RewardOriginally posted by warresg:didnt know shanghainese also visit sgforum. btw welcum
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I tot I mentioned serving with the m-16 in SAF?
"Being a traditionalist I originally wanted a M16A1 just like my wife in the army. But heck, who can say "no" to this baby. "
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So do you have the license to import? If so, i can place order with u? LOL!
Otherwise, good luck getting past customs seizure. No refund if ur airsoft gets seized.
The police does have an official stand on airsoft. It falls in the same category as FIREARMs. Which is damn sad.
Seriously, if u are a licensed importer, let me know. =D I've been trying to get USP Compact airsoft pistol for AGES. -
Here's a little trick used by the AR community here: try sticking some black electrical tape towards the rear of the buffer tube to take out the slop. Put the tape far enough back so that it doesn't show when the stock is fully extended.Originally posted by tvdog:This Classic Army model has a one piece barrel and the whole thing feels rigid. When I tested the thing, the only part that wobbled was the collapsible stock. But when I get tired of this collapsible stock I plan to replace it with a standard M-16 stock.
Works like a charm!
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i was referring to the other manufacturers when i said 'cheap'.Originally posted by tvdog:This baby cost USD500. I wouldn't exactly call it "cheap".
Though Classic Army is a Hong Kong manufacturer, their M-16 series is actually endorsed by Armalite - the US company that originally made the AR-15 until Colt took over the government contract. And Armalite will not just endorse any old airsoft replica.
Each weapon has the Armalite logo and a running serial number. The whole thing is of metal construction except obviously the handguard etc. And this is now one of the most highly rated brand name way above Tokyo Marui, which continue to make mostly plastic replicas.
This Classic Army model has a one piece barrel and the whole thing feels rigid. When I tested the thing, the only part that wobbled was the collapsible stock. But when I get tired of this collapsible stock I plan to replace it with a standard M-16 stock.
UTG, CYMA, Wells, SRC, FMC, AIM, etc.
as for other manufacturers in the same league as Classic Army: G&P, G&G, Star, KJW, Guarder, HFC, ICS, etc, the prices are broadly comparable.
Star have a good name for innovation [the Troy M14 SOPMOD, L85, L85UGL, L86, L85 carbine, etc ]
UTG make exact copies of the Tokyo Marui's for half the price.
I know what each CA [specifically the M15A4 series] has - i've owned one for a couple of years.
Armalite got very pissed off with CA because the agreement was that CA only sell Armalite marked products through approved/licenced retailers. CA sold them to anyone and everyone.
Heres a few of mine. The CA is in the centre, with the SIR on it. The one above it is 15-20 years old.
Google videos had a video of an airsoft game in mainland China, in a deserted village.
i cant find the link atm..
tvdog, why dont you also pose this question on airsoftarnies? [thats where your pic came from anyway..] -
Are all these yours? I am humbled... Where do you live for in Singapore you can't possibly have such a collection. I have a few friends who each managed to smuggle one or 2 back to SG,Originally posted by zoik:Heres a few of mine. The CA is in the centre, with the SIR on it. The one above it is 15-20 years old.
tvdog, why dont you also pose this question on airsoftarnies? [thats where your pic came from anyway..]
I used to own a Marui MP5A4 and a couple of Beretta 92F while living in Hong Kong. But when I left for Shanghai I had to give them away.
I do terrribly missed not having a MP5 - what brand do you recommend for an MP5 model. Apparently the CA MP5 series is crap.
Why do I not go onto a airsoft forum? I should - shouldn't I. Just at that time couldn't be bothhered to go thru the whole registration bit.
But I am quite sure that either of those 2 models I short-listed will be a good buy. And I have already decided on the CQB over the SPC. So unless the shop keeper runs away with the money I already paid - I should be a very happy owner of a heavy metal weapon in a few days' time. -
buy real weapon lah...the 2 model strong enough to kill a cop car wif 2 cops inside...
anyway B is nicer as u can use the support to hold the weapon -
I used to fool arround with the CAR-15 in our camp's armskote room and I don't remember any wobble even when the stock was fully extended. Of course, that was a long time ago and memory is not dependable for details.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Here's a little trick used by the AR community here: try sticking some black electrical tape towards the rear of the buffer tube to take out the slop. Put the tape far enough back so that it doesn't show when the stock is fully extended.
Works like a charm!
Critics had said that the M-16 collapsible stock - though not as short as fully foldable stocks - is the best compromise between compactness and sturdiness. It is supposed to be more sturdy and comfortable than most collapsible/foldable stocks then available.
Therefore it is surprising to learn that there's also a wobbling problem with real weapons.
The CA airsoft "crane" collasible stock wobbles like a XXX. So I might eventually change it for a fixed stock. I just like the stubbiness of the barrel. -
very easy to smuggle gun in...police blind one
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of course i cannot build up a collection such as this in sg.
i am in uk now, where it is also under threat by government
Even if i could build up such a collection in sg, I doubt very much the MinDef would help out as much as the equivalent authorities in the UK do [see pics below].
best MP5 would be a hybrid.
CA bodywork with TM internals.
UTG make a very cheap MP5 that i think has TM copy internals, and comes complete with both retractable and solid stock accessories in one box.
NEWS:
If you are on the lookout for a new MP5, wait a bit.
Classic Army have a new generation of full metal MP5's which are being produced now.
They are currently being reviewed, so if they turn out to be as good as their last generation of guns - M249, M15A4CQB, G36, etc, then you might actually be able to buy probably the best airsoft version of the MP5 yet produced.
Classic Army's are now only known for a couple of issues, the one major one being the Hop-up. Replace that and you should be fine. The piston is the only other major factor but alot have reported no problems using CA's stock piston.
So watch for the new Classic Army MP5's. Must be about 3rd generation level by now.
Classic Army, with the recent generation of products actually have a good reputation abroad in the west.
anyhoo, just some assorted pics from sites i go to:
railway assault
(Near the N.Ireland sector)
on fire
outside the Urban Dismounted Infantry Training Complex
bridge defence
