Warship in the Straits of Singapore
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Yes, IT is an Indonesian Parchim1 class Frigate, East german made, also in Russian service.Originally posted by eurofighter:Some indonesian russian type patrol vessel. Could be one of the east german vessels they bought over. Russian type ASW rocket launcher on fore deck.
Displacement, fullload 960 tons
Lenght - 75.2m
speed - 24 knots.
Missiles - none
Guns - 30mm rear gun and Ussr 57mm fore gun
torpedoes - 4 - 400mm tubes
A/s mortar - 2-RBU 6000 12 tubed trainable.
Depth charges - 2 racks
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Originally posted by zenden9:The RSN ship cut by half and the ship still did not sink if RMN ship is the one kena cut,I think no crew will survive cos everything in the bottom of the sea liao...LOL!
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It's Indon ship, RMN doesn't have this comou.........
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Thanks MyVi for your picture it really clears all doubt about the origin of this unknown vessel. Maybe we can have more amateur photographers taking pics and posting it here. Its kind of fun and intresting to go guessing what it is and where it came from with only a low quality picture! For course please don't take or reveal anything which have the faintest chance of compromising our own national security. Cheers!
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Wah best, direct comparison
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I believe the picture was taken during last year International Maritime Defense Exhibition ( May 16 to 20, 2005 )
Quite a number of warships from various navies visited SG then.
Here one with our MGBs in the foreground and number of foreign warships in the background including an Indon corvette.
http://www.hueybravo.net/images/Navy/sqboats.jpg -
Definitely Indonesian. We've seen pics of their vessels before in articles about how the 3 navies are co-operating to patrol the Malacca straits. If its not meant to be there, RSN would've chased it away long ago. Our waters aren't that large & besides its kinda hard for a 3G Navy to miss a vessel of that size.
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Ahem...... I remember taking the pictures on 24th January THIS year and have stated it. I'm not saying where though but I am rather curious as to its distance from where I was.Originally posted by gary1910:I believe the picture was taken during last year International Maritime Defense Exhibition ( May 16 to 20, 2005 )
Quite a number of warships from various navies visited SG then.
and idwar, do your research next time before you come in with another stupid comment. Oh wait, I forgot you're the butt of jokes around here. Carry on.
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Just another one of those that I see regularly. I understand that posting of SAF assets online is a very sensitive issue so hope you'll understand the low resolution pics.
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I think the funnier incident was when RMN test fired their exocet missiles with tv coverage. The missile missed.
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dudes...dun feed the trolls...they bite...
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This is a Fearless class OPV...Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Just another one of those that I see regularly. I understand that posting of SAF assets online is a very sensitive issue so hope you'll understand the low resolution pics.
But look closely guys... Can you make out what seems to be Harpoon SSM launchers on the ship?
I remember that the Fearless class has a very clean profile after the bridge section and additional equipment seems to have been added on this particular one... The Fearless class does not carry any anti-ship missiles officially.
The resolution is not very impressive so I may be wrong... It may be a Victory class FSG or Sea Wolf class FAC. -
Thats not harpoon SSM but a deck crane. For the fearless class, the equipment fit is not standard throughout, and some of the vessels have unique equipment. For eg, Fearless itself has got a radome fitted on the fore of the main mast, while Brave is fitted with a towed array sonar.
Don't worry, this is not classified information, you can check it up in Janes Fighting Ships.
PS: Fearless was shown to the public with the additional radome in the navy open house back in 2001.
Originally posted by Delta 5:This is a Fearless class OPV...
But look closely guys... Can you make out what seems to be Harpoon SSM launchers on the ship? I remember that the Fearless class has a very clean profile after the bridge section and additional equipment seems to have been added on this particular one... The Fearless class does not carry any anti-ship missiles officially.
The resolution is not very impressive so I may be wrong... It may be a Victory class FSG or Sea Wolf class FAC. -
please go and refer to Jane's fighting ship ,it could be the latest Kris Class DestroyerOriginally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Spotted sailing past one of our southern islands on 24th January this year. Note colour camouflage pattern and no flags spotted. Anyone can identify it? -
Thanks for the info...Originally posted by warspite:Thats not harpoon SSM but a deck crane. For the fearless class, the equipment fit is not standard throughout, and some of the vessels have unique equipment. For eg, Fearless itself has got a radome fitted on the fore of the main mast, while Brave is fitted with a towed array sonar.
Don't worry, this is not classified information, you can check it up in Janes Fighting Ships.
PS: Fearless was shown to the public with the additional radome in the navy open house back in 2001.
However, does anyone feel that the Fearless class is rather lightly armed? I listed the armament fit of the first six ships below... The other six ships are similarly equipped abeit without torpedo armament.
Guns:
1 x OtoBreda 76mm
2 x CIS-50 12.7mm HMG
Missiles:
Mistral SAM / Twin Launcher
Torpedoes:
Whitehead A244/S 324mm / 2 Triple Launchers
I feel that these ships, modern in design and electronics as they are, are still unable to handle more potent threats. The 5.3km range of the Mistral for instance does not give the ship adequate air defence capability. It is noteworthy that the Mistral is optimized for the anti-aircraft role and its effectiveness against incoming ASMs is probably marginal.
The Whitehead A244/S is a very competent weapon, however it should be noted that this weapon is employed on the major combatants of certain European navies only as a protection against submarines, given that they come equipped with ASW helicopters and a full spectrum of weapon systems meant for the offensive role. I find it extremely disturbing that the first six units of the Fearless class are designated "Anti-submarine PVs", yet are armed only with lightweight torpedoes. For such a specialized role torpedoes of calibre 400mm or even 533mm are necessary given their longer range and higher lethality, taking into account that most submarines have weapons that far outrange the A244/S.
Hopefully the RSN would address these problems in the future with the replacement of the existing weapon fit with robust systems such as the German DM2A4 533mm torpedoes (on order for Vastergotland SSKs) and Barak I SAMs (in service on Victory FSGs). -
I agree the MyVi's findings... the picture he posted and the photo has a closer match. Approx 90% match.
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FFG-7s have boxy superstructure....I think you're waaayyyy off.Originally posted by specfore:It is too small to be one of the US or western powers or Japanese, who also don't camouflage their craft. Also, too small to be Indonesian ( who have much larger American and Soviet destroyers). It could be one of the older Oliver Perry class frigates that the US has retired but transferred to countries like Taiwan and thailand. -
The backbone of the Indonesian navy is made up of 13 frigates and 16 corvettes. A total of 29 major combatants which is a relatively large number by regional standards. However they do not have any destroyers or cruisers...
Just a comparison with the major combatants of other regional navies:
Singapore: 6 frigates, 6 corvettes
Malaysia: 3 frigates, 6 corvettes
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It is definitely not a ex-FFG-7 (OHP) class. the profile is definitely wrong....Originally posted by specfore:My guess is Thai or possibly Taiwanese. Here is my logic...
1) its displacement is around 800 tons and from the length , it looks around 130 m or so. Possibly a Corvette or Frigate
2) It has 2 Oto Melara 76 mm guns fore and aft.
3) there is some kind of fixed missile launcher which looks like a US made Standard anti-aircraft/ missile launcher
It is too small to be one of the US or western powers or Japanese, who also don't camouflage their craft. Also, too small to be Indonesian ( who have much larger American and Soviet destroyers). It could be one of the older Oliver Perry class frigates that the US has retired but transferred to countries like Taiwan and thailand.
And since when did Indonesian have large american and soviet destroyers!
I can see a turret in the stern but not one in the front (how u can tell it is a oto melara gun?
The missile launcher sould be a ASW rocket laucher....
the whole profile looked "soviet". could be indian, indonesian (ex-East german navy) or mayb Chinese (PLAN). -
Thanks, that's a very good piece of identification! Very well done professionally! hehehe..Originally posted by MyVi:It's Indon ship, RMN doesn't have this comou......... -
The submarine skippers have to be able to make these kinda identification from their periscope photosnaps too. Something like whad he' did.
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But with technology nowadays, I doubt there's a requirement for that skill. Especially in a navy such as ours where the skipper has only a short period of time aboard the sub. Most of them would probably tell you "Why bother using the periscope when the sonar and computer can let me know what it is immediately?"
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reminds me of this
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Erm, sonar can only tell you so much about the type of vessel. The blade count, speed, perhaps engine noise. Such information MAY reveal the type of vessel, if the relevant information was already available before. Like perhaps stored in some archive.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:But with technology nowadays, I doubt there's a requirement for that skill. Especially in a navy such as ours where the skipper has only a short period of time aboard the sub. Most of them would probably tell you "Why bother using the periscope when the sonar and computer can let me know what it is immediately?"
Some ships may have similar acoustics signatures, and are very difficult to tell apart. So the most reliable way to ID it, is to look at it thru the periscope.
