USS Nimitz Vs Japanese Pearl Harbor Strike Force
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i sell u mine.. how much u willing to pay?Originally posted by Foxhole:Anyone know where can i get this vcd or dvd?
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storywolf,
Not true for the case of F-14 it is one of the aircraft that have better ranges.
Oei, You cannot compare this way. The F-14 achieved those range because of speed. Their loitering time is in fact very low.
F-14 range : Range typical: 1,600 nm (2,965 km)
ferry: 1,730 nm (3,200 km)
Japanese bomber : 1,680 miles (2700 km).You just need 2 pairs to break up the formations, force them down to lower attiude, when they are closer, you can alway launch another 2 pair to take over. The problem with 2nd world war planes is once you force them down , they take too much fuel and time to regain attiude. This totally screw up their fuel which will run out very fast.
as above.By the way go check out how many bombs and torpedeos sink the yamato, or the bismark ! May be armoured but when hit, they still sink.
For the Dismarck, a luckly torpedo diabled the steering flab.You cannot compare a unladen LPH which has modern design compartation to contain damages. Carriers are full of fuels and bombs !
I agree (check my earlier post), but I said this just for info1st thing, why must you go to take out the battleships. You just need to take out the carriers which are not that armoured. You just need to hit a magzine or two and let them burn. You just have to follow the fleet which cannot outrun you and keep hitting them till they sink.
Because, you said Jap ships. The CVN has no fore-cannon, thus, how the hell can the fleet put run a fighter-bomber. -
might well say use a RSN Courageous and with it's Barak missile to shoot down zero fighters...
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I saw VCD in this CD store in Plaza Singapura. Can buy there, right at the back of the store.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):i sell u mine.. how much u willing to pay?
Seriously, against the Japanese fleet, just sink their carriers enuff liao.... without their carriers, their pearl harbor plans would have been thwarted. -
Actually,I think it's not worth buying.Rent for a lazy Sunday afternoon can but I doubt video rental shops carry such an old title.Originally posted by Shotgun:I saw VCD in this CD store in Plaza Singapura. Can buy there, right at the back of the store.
Seriously, against the Japanese fleet, just sink their carriers enuff liao.... without their carriers, their pearl harbor plans would have been thwarted.
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aiya, someone rip the CD and share it with everyone plz
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I bought the Dvd, will enjoy it tmr.
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Kamikaze.
400 Planes given a 2.5% chance hit ratio. thats 10 planes. 10 planes armed with torpedoes nose dive ur flight deck. With all ur R2D2'd , u will be outta ammo.. outta fuel. Sure the Nimitiz runs on Nuclear , but how about thier aircrafts ? Some say there is no Kamikaze at 9141 , but what drove them to Kamikaze will be the same. A percievable invincible aircraft carrier like the Nimitz to be sunk.. AT ALL COST. Heat seeking missles ?i dun know how accurate they work againts propellar based fighters. U be needing to stock loads n loads of ammo to reach Pearl Harbour before being nipped bit by bit n utimately.. sunk. -
If they were using the AIM-9M, the all aspect version of the sidewinder, I'm sure locking on to those prop planes is no problem. The sun shines on the aircraft, warms the metal. The sidewinder can pick that warm flying prop bird against the cold sea.
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This is VERY interesting....should they assist the attack which kickstart a war that virtually destroy their country come 1945? Or should they at least 'persuade' Nagumo to cancel the attack?Originally posted by MobyDog:Wa lao-A.. you might as well say ... sending the entire Japanese Naval self-defense Force, back to escort the WWII japanese strike fleets... WOW.. what a Interesting senario that will be. -
1) hey F-14 have more loitering time then you think, don't tell me 15 mins to 30mins of time for 2 pair of F-14s to break up some 2nd world war planes is not enough ! then what Nimitz have more f-14s then that, I am sure they can easily launch another 2 pairs take over the harassment after that.Originally posted by MobyDog:1) Oei, You cannot compare this way. The F-14 achieved those range because of speed. Their loitering time is in fact very low.
2)For the Dismarck, a luckly torpedo diabled the steering flab.
3)Because, you said Jap ships. The CVN has no fore-cannon, thus, how the hell can the fleet put run a fighter-bomber.
2) Yep Dismark is just one battleship, what about the rest ? Yamato ? Prince of Wales ?
3) CVN don't have cannons but a whole deck of planes !!! You think the jap fleet cannot even outrun the CVN !!! how can it outrun the CVN planes. -
Let the F14s make a combined full power supersonic low level flypast over the japanese fleet. Considering that era, the japs would definately have a shock of their lives not to mention all the glass windows/cockpits on the boats would have been scattered by the shockwaves and have absolutely no idea what hit them long after the F14s have returned to their carrier. So what the F14s are spotted, it's flying at mach2+.
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What is the chance of planes even reaching the Nimitz ?Originally posted by BadzMaro:Kamikaze.
400 Planes given a 2.5% chance hit ratio. thats 10 planes. 10 planes armed with torpedoes nose dive ur flight deck. With all ur R2D2'd , u will be outta ammo.. outta fuel. Sure the Nimitiz runs on Nuclear , but how about thier aircrafts ? Some say there is no Kamikaze at 9141 , but what drove them to Kamikaze will be the same. A percievable invincible aircraft carrier like the Nimitz to be sunk.. AT ALL COST. Heat seeking missles ?i dun know how accurate they work againts propellar based fighters. U be needing to stock loads n loads of ammo to reach Pearl Harbour before being nipped bit by bit n utimately.. sunk.
F-14s will just need to speed closed to them at top speed, the sound wave itself will do the job. Missile will work or not, but it will sure to add some shock and break them up. Next f-14 are armed with guns, that will do the job.
By the way, the jap can only bomb what can find. In the first place, with nimitz own radar and hawkeye that already ensure no aircraft would have spotted or know Nimitz exact position. You think the whole jap planes will be send out to bomb unknow ?
Ok to make it fun, let us even radio the jap fleet and inform them where the Nimitz is ! You think the japanese plane can find it. Nimitz itself is capable of speed of up to 30+ knots. It need to just use those horse power to move itself, even if the Japs planes manage to get through , they will find nothing. At 30+ knots , it already move out of area which the jap can only dream of.
Even if stay put to wait for the them to drop toperdo, you must remember the japs are train to use topedo against a slow 2nd wwII ship, he will not know how to estimate to launch his torpedo at a 30 knot speeding ship. That mean Nimitz can move out of the way of launch toperodo attacks. -
I think there is a anime when a AEGIS destroyer was sent back to battle of midway...it think it is called ZipponOriginally posted by khyron1:This is VERY interesting....should they assist the attack which kickstart a war that virtually destroy their country come 1945? Or should they at least 'persuade' Nagumo to cancel the attack?
and Dismarack is actually spelled Bismarack.. -
No the correct name is "Bismarck.
storywolf,
For F-14 to hit the Mach 2 barrier, it must utilise it's " afterburner ". Using this tactics would dry up it's fuel quickly. This tactic would also spread up the Zeros.
Now, read my post correctly.Because, you said Jap ships. The CVN has no fore-cannon, thus, how the hell can the fleet put run a fighter-bomber.
Only the Jap is a fleet in this senario, and the Fighterbomber is the F-14.What is the chance of planes even reaching the Nimitz ?
I suggest you read my post accurately, the senario is IF both detected each other at the same time.
F-14s will just need to speed closed to them at top speed, the sound wave itself will do the job. Missile will work or not, but it will sure to add some shock and break them up. Next f-14 are armed with guns, that will do the job.
By the way, the jap can only bomb what can find. In the first place, with nimitz own radar and hawkeye that already ensure no aircraft would have spotted or know Nimitz exact position. You think the whole jap planes will be send out to bomb unknow ?
Ok to make it fun, let us even radio the jap fleet and inform them where the Nimitz is ! You think the japanese plane can find it. Nimitz itself is capable of speed of up to 30+ knots. It need to just use those horse power to move itself, even if the Japs planes manage to get through , they will find nothing. At 30+ knots , it already move out of area which the jap can only dream of.
Even if stay put to wait for the them to drop toperdo, you must remember the japs are train to use topedo against a slow 2nd wwII ship, he will not know how to estimate to launch his torpedo at a 30 knot speeding ship. That mean Nimitz can move out of the way of launch toperodo attacks
You mean the Japs do not have radars, I have alraedy explained the limitation of CVNs, in this aspect. The Zeros are, in fact, about slightly less than half the speed of the F14. They can reach the CVN. 30 knots to any aircraft is minute. If the CVN are not at designated, then they would be still be at visible distance. Torpedoes avoidance is possible off-course, but you will launch at intercept way point - that is infront of it. CVN are huge ships the need more than afew hundred meters to stop and turns slow. -
To think somebody actually followed his example and said "Dismarck"...Originally posted by MobyDog:No the correct name is "Bismarck. -
Marco_Simone,
You just have to be objective, mine was obviously a miss-type. ray243 has typed it twice in same spelling.. that is the difference. -
Originally posted by MobyDog:
Mobydog you are totally hopeless !!! You think f-14 don't have enough fuel to play with the zeros for at least 15 mins . Also you think there is just a few pairs only is it ? The carrier can alway launch more, the f-14s can also do mid-air refuel using prowlers tankers.
No the correct name is "Bismarck.
[b]storywolf,
For F-14 to hit the Mach 2 barrier, it must utilise it's " afterburner ". Using this tactics would dry up it's fuel quickly. This tactic would also spread up the Zeros.
Now, read my post correctly.
I suggest you read my post accurately, the senario is IF both detected each other at the same time.
You mean the Japs do not have radars, I have alraedy explained the limitation of CVNs, in this aspect. The Zeros are, in fact, about slightly less than half the speed of the F14. They can reach the CVN. 30 knots to any aircraft is minute. If the CVN are not at designated, then they would be still be at visible distance. Torpedoes avoidance is possible off-course, but you will launch at intercept way point - that is infront of it. CVN are huge ships the need more than afew hundred meters to stop and turns slow. [/b]
Jap don't have good radar ! if they have the midway battle would have been different , till that time both side still depend on spotter planes.
How can both party detect each other at the same time. jap no radar , while the CVN own radar + hawkeye is way out over the horizon. Stupid senairo !
30 knots at 15 mintue would have move the CNV out of way of the zeros . You think the zero don't have radar , they will just go for the last known spotted location. From time of launch to reach there, the zero will only find nothing but sea, you think they still have fuel to search, and form up again for attack !!!! -
Its is impossible for the IJN to win. The E-2Cs would simply vector 2 tomcats on alert 5 towards any IJN recon flight that MIGHT find the Nimitz.
Whereas, Hornets would be actively searching the Seas with their doppler radars, and even identifying the ships on radar. So as long as they sink the Jap carriers, they win liao.
Without fighter cover, the Hornets can even Maverick the remaining escorts to death if they want. -
Originally posted by storywolf:
Isn't the whole story a stupid scenario? You got to have some constraints or it is like an egg hitting the stone.
How can both party detect each other at the same time. jap no radar , while the CVN own radar + hawkeye is way out over the horizon. Stupid senairo ! -
Originally posted by storywolf:
For the love of god...
Mobydog you are totally hopeless !!! You think f-14 don't have enough fuel to play with the zeros for at least 15 mins . Also you think there is just a few pairs only is it ? The carrier can alway launch more, the f-14s can also do mid-air refuel using prowlers tankers.
Jap don't have good radar ! if they have the midway battle would have been different , till that time both side still depend on spotter planes.
How can both party detect each other at the same time. jap no radar , while the CVN own radar + hawkeye is way out over the horizon. Stupid senairo !
Look.. I suggest you read the limitations of CVNs I posted then argue with me. How many F-14s can you launch within the given period.. even with 15 mins on station whisking up and down.. how many Zeros can you down ? This tactic will spread out the zeros, thereby require at bigger combat radius by each fly pass. You are neglecting that at every fly-bys, the Zeros are closer to the CVNs.30 knots at 15 mintue would have move the CNV out of way of the zeros . You think the zero don't have radar , they will just go for the last known spotted location. From time of launch to reach there, the zero will only find nothing but sea, you think they still have fuel to search, and form up again for attack !!!!
You have again.. neglected that Zeros also are flying towards the CVN. Zeros do not have Radars. How many miles does a CVN travels in 15 mins ? They will still be within visual range.. do some calculation yrself. The zeros can vector to the giant CVN with just their eyes. Generally, Prop aircraft have great loitering advantage.
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Originally posted by MobyDog:
Something is majorly screwed if the Zeros can tally on the CVN. As I said, aircraft can be easily vectored against Zeros whom they even THINK is near enuff to suspect the CVN is in the direction.
You have again.. neglected that Zeros also are flying towards the CVN. Zeros do not have Radars. How many miles does a CVN travels in 15 mins ? They will still be within visual range.. do some calculation yrself. The zeros can vector to the giant CVN with just their eyes. Generally, Prop aircraft have great loitering advantage.
[b]Shotgun, F18s are not available in the 70s.
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U think the CVN captain won't know that Speed, Technology, and Range is on their side and use it to the best of their advantage?
Okay, even if there weren't bugs in the 1970s, there were still the intruders. The intruders themselves would be more than a match to sink Jap Carriers at stand off range. Intruders that underwent the SWIP can even carry AMRAAMS!
Even if I don't want to use the great phoenix on the zeros, i still have Sparrows and F-Pole those zero suckers to hell. They will never get within range to even guess where i am.
In short, in the air, and sea, the IJN wouldn't stand a CHANCE in hell against a CVN. -
Wah... like that, think RSAF no need to spend so much on the latest F16s, F15s lar. Get some current turboprops can liao. or maybe buy the design of the zeros and the license to produce them from mutsubitsu lar. Yea, think also ask them for the blueprint of the mighty WWII carriers and escorts too. Think the japs are willing to sell them to us by now and maybe rolling on the floor laughing to death.
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Wa Lan ..aaaa. Please consider the scenario...
1) The lone 1970S CVN and 1941 Jap fleet detect each other at the same time.
2) There are 300+ zeros in the air vs less than about gradual increase of about 30 F-14 in an hour.
3) Each F-14 has Max 4 AMRAAMS, 4 sidewider each.
If you have seen the Movie " Final countdown" you will notice that the two F-14 took about 5 to 10 mins to shoot down 2 Zeros. The Zeros have better Maneuverabilities and were shot down with 1 sidewinder and the other with cannon.U think the CVN captain won't know that Speed, Technology, and Range is on their side and use it to the best of their advantage?
Of course they do... they are technologically more advance.. but there is substance in quantity vs quality. Flying in congested airspace leads to collisions and lucky shots etc. The Japs simply have to get afew bombs onto the deck of the CVN.. and its mission killed.. is sunk. OR long enough for their estroyers 16" guns with 40 mile range to pound the CVN. The CVN can outrun them, but the Jap fighters can reload at any of the 6 carriers and torpedo the CVN. You can even sink all the Jap carriers, yet their escort ships will chase the burning CVN down. BTW, WWII ships are very armoured, it takes many harpoons to sink one, if you can launch any or have any left or any platform to launch them, since you can't launch aircraft from a burning CVN.
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Where got so many Zeros? Some are Vals and Kates right??Originally posted by MobyDog:2) There are 300+ zeros in the air vs less than about gradual increase of about 30 F-14 in an hour.