Singapore buys 12 F-15SG fighter jets
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WHy not? And how about escort? Juz a tot, what qualifies an a/c for strike role?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yep.What else would be use it for?
CAP?Nah. -
designating planes for escort role is actually resource intensive, you'd have seperate packages of planes, one for strike, and one to protect the strike package, that's why the USN went for the hornet, cos it's designed as a true strike fighter from the very start of the design, so in effect it's self escorting, that's what allowed them to reduce plane numbers on the aircraft carriers after the hornet went into service, you need not have tomcats escorting strike packages of intruders and cosairs anymore.Originally posted by Zogel:WHy not? And how about escort? Juz a tot, what qualifies an a/c for strike role?
I suppose any plane that can carry A2G munitions can operate in a strike role, it's just a case of how well it performs in the role,
another thought, how does this purchase fits into our eventual JSF ambitions ? ... would the JSF be an eventual replacement for the F-5s then ? ... -
"We have been working toward this moment for several years and are excited and honored to provide the people of Singapore with the F-15SG, which will be equipped with the most technologically advanced avionics and weapons systems available," said Joe Hoerter, Boeing F-15 Program vice president.
2.I think it will be better than F-15K strike fighter of Korea
fr Boeing:
Flight and Weapon Systems
The F-15K is the only U.S.-produced fighter capable of long-range precision strike missions without escort, day or night, in any weather.
* Maximum gross takeoff weight and payload: 81,000 pounds and 23,000 pounds
* Maximum combat radius without refueling: over 1,000 nautical miles (1,800 km)
* Minimum altitude and maximum speed of terrain-following flight: 600 knots at 100 feet
* Power: two GE F110 turbofan engines (29,000 lb thrust class with afterburning)
* A mix of air-to-air weaponry: 20mm cannon; AIM-120, AIM-9, AIM-7, and AGM-130 missiles
* A mix of air-to-ground ordnance, including precision-guided munitions
Computer and Targeting Systems
The F-15K possesses advanced computer, display, protection, radar, and targeting systems:
* Avionics suite: Honeywell advanced display core processor (ADCP)
* C.o.c.kpit-display technologies: seven-color liquid-crystal displays, two upfront control panels (flat-panel), joint helmet-mounted cueing system (JHMCS), and wide-field-of-view heads-up display
* On-board protection systems: Lockheed Martin ALR-56C(v)1 early warning receiver and Northrop Grumman ALQ-135M jammer
* Radar: Raytheon AN/APG-63(v)1 radar:
o Air-to-air and air-to-ground modes of APG-70 radar with additional sea-surface searching/tracking, ground-moving target tracking, and enhanced high-resolution ground mapping for long-distance target identification
o Improved reliability and maintainability
* Third-generation targeting and navigation systems: forward-looking infrared (FLIR) and infrared search and track (IRST)
Performance
The F-15 family has a combat record of 101 victories and zero losses, and the F-15E predecessor flew thousands of combat missions during Operation Desert Storm and in the Balkans. -
I believe that the JSF will replace the F-5 but the intercept role will be taken over by the Blk52+ and the Blk52s might be used for ADF role.It's all multi-role now and there is no need for a dedicated interceptor or air defense fighter.Originally posted by Fatum:designating planes for escort role is actually resource intensive, you'd have seperate packages of planes, one for strike, and one to protect the strike package, that's why the USN went for the hornet, cos it's designed as a true strike fighter from the very start of the design, so in effect it's self escorting, that's what allowed them to reduce plane numbers on the aircraft carriers after the hornet went into service, you need not have tomcats escorting strike packages of intruders and cosairs anymore.
I suppose any plane that can carry A2G munitions can operate in a strike role, it's just a case of how well it performs in the role,
another thought, how does this purchase fits into our eventual JSF ambitions ? ... would the JSF be an eventual replacement for the F-5s then ? ...
Future orbat could see the JSFs as lead strike/SEAD planes followed by the F-15s do bombing runs while the Viper Blk52+ does the mopping up. -
Hmm thats not really how a tactical air force works. No aircraft is used for its 1 single role.
A reccomended reading for how a tactical air force works is Tom Clancy's Every Man A Tiger. Its very informative.
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F-15 is orignally use for Air SUPERIORITY until they (USAF) want to replace the F-111 that they change the F-15D(mod which is F-15E today) for air strike role
F-15SG sounds lame to me as F-15S(already taken by Saudi)...i prefer it to name as F-15T.....more cool.... -
Yep, however each and every aircraft has its inherent specialisation.Switching of roles is often when things are pushed to the wall, thats when the difference comes in.Originally posted by Shotgun:Hmm thats not really how a tactical air force works. No aircraft is used for its 1 single role.
A reccomended reading for how a tactical air force works is Tom Clancy's Every Man A Tiger. Its very informative.
I read that book, learnt many great insights from it..Did you read Into The Storm? -
network warfare is important now.......
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from boeing
ST. LOUIS, Dec. 12, 2005 -- The Government of Singapore awarded Boeing [NYSE:BA] a contract to produce 12 F-15SG aircraft for the country's next generation replacement fighter jet, and an option for eight additional aircraft at a future date.
The F-15SG is an advanced version of the U.S. Air Force's F-15E Strike Eagle.
"We have been working toward this moment for several years and are excited and honored to provide the people of Singapore with the F-15SG, which will be equipped with the most technologically advanced avionics and weapons systems available," said Joe Hoerter, Boeing F-15 Program vice president. "Boeing will begin delivering the aircraft in 2008, which will allow the Republic of Singapore Air Force to begin replacing its retired A-4SU Skyhawks. All 12 aircraft will be delivered in 2008 and 2009."
The F-15SG will greatly enhance the capabilities and operational readiness of the Singapore Armed Forces.
Boeing has produced more than 1,500 F-15s during the past three decades. In addition to the United States, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia and Israel operate F-15 fleets.
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/051212c_nr.html -
Nope, I haven't gotten my hands on that one yet.
I guess u know what I mean when I feel that combat aircraft are better categorised and deployed according to their capabilities than "roles." If we need a particular capability, a particular mission profile, evaluate the best suited aircraft with the capability and use them. Regardless of "roles." -
Agreed.The "roles" are just tags used in peacetime for telling the laymen.Originally posted by Shotgun:Nope, I haven't gotten my hands on that one yet.
I guess u know what I mean when I feel that combat aircraft are better categorised and deployed according to their capabilities than "roles." If we need a particular capability, a particular mission profile, evaluate the best suited aircraft with the capability and use them. Regardless of "roles."
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Will F15 SG equipped with Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS)
The joint helmet-mounted cueing system (JHMCS) combined with the AIM-9X missile comprise the two subsystems of the high-off-boresight seeker (HOBS) system. The HOBS is an airborne weapon-interception system that enables pilots to accurately direct, or "cue," onboard weapons against enemy aircraft and ground targets by pointing their heads at the targets to guide the weapons -- all while performing high-g aircraft maneuvers. The JHMCS subsystem provides sensor control and weapon guidance.
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Any one knows what the DLZ is like for these new off boresight missiles?
The DLZ for normal missiles is used to gauge the best distance and aspect to launch the missile. But for these highly manueverable off boresight missiles, what will their DLZ be like? Would their R2min and R2max be almost equal to the R1min and R1max? -
Meaning the F-15s wll be configured along the line of F-15Es?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yep.What else would be use it for?
CAP?Nah.
Strange, coz i tot they are air superiority fighters.
Will be good against Malaysian MIGs tho -
Nope, they'd be configured similarly to the Strike Eagle.
Mud movers. heh. -
its the the combination of AESA Radar and Amraam which makes her a formidable one! Thats the reason why DSTA was so urge to get hold of the AESA.
Although the deal has been concluded still disappointed that RSAF wont be seeing the storm shadow. As well a consolation..., at least we acquired the JSOW & JDAM. -
Mmmm yess, the pig...
JSOW is also known as the pig lar... SOW wad... -
From what I heard about this incident, the pilot claimed that the F-15 was still quite easy to handle despite losing a wing.
Its really an amazing aircraft in the hands of a well trained driver. -
I'm sorry but how do you so call 'self escort'?Originally posted by Fatum:designating planes for escort role is actually resource intensive, you'd have seperate packages of planes, one for strike, and one to protect the strike package, that's why the USN went for the hornet, cos it's designed as a true strike fighter from the very start of the design, so in effect it's self escorting, that's what allowed them to reduce plane numbers on the aircraft carriers after the hornet went into service, you need not have tomcats escorting strike packages of intruders and cosairs anymore.
I suppose any plane that can carry A2G munitions can operate in a strike role, it's just a case of how well it performs in the role,
another thought, how does this purchase fits into our eventual JSF ambitions ? ... would the JSF be an eventual replacement for the F-5s then ? ...
Your plane is part of a strike package, meaning the ammunitions load out is essentially for strike against ground target, with a minimum for self-defense purpose. If the strike package is intercepted, it may means that you have to dump your strike munitions and cover your own ass. That would means that you fail your mission object and your enemy achieved his.
F/A designation for the F/A-18 (from A thru D) means that the plane can perform two roles, and not two roles at the same time. It is either for your CAP, interdiction or strike, and likely not at the same time.
So for any attack mission, the number of aircrafts is basically the same; meaning separate planes for protection and attack. What the F/A-18 achieves for the Navy is having the same airframe (as oppose to airplane) for two totally different missions.
So again, I don’t not think there can being any possibility of being ‘self-escort’ for any airplane. -
F/A 18 can do self-escort/strike roles....
i.e carry maybe 2 x Amraam for selfdefence and then the rest are all essentially air-ground ordnance....
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how about an F-15E loaded with 2 AIM-120C AMRAAMs, 2 AIM-9Xs, 12 CBU-87/mk82s, and fuel tanks?Originally posted by fett:So again, I don’t not think there can being any possibility of being ‘self-escort’ for any airplane. -
reply for the above two responses from sgFish and cheeze
okay, i think anyone can search the net for the weight for each of the munitions that you guys mentioned.
and weighted down by all this load, how do you propose that the pilot maneuver his plane?
remember, the best specs of a plane are acquired when the plane is clean. the additional of any hardware can only decrease the handling of any plane. ie, E/A 6, with the addition of each jamming pod on its pylon, there will be a loss of some 10kts in airspeed.
provide an answer to the maneuverability issue, then maybe I’ll concede that a plane can ‘self-escort’ itself for any mission. -
with the loadout i provided above...perhaps change it to 4 AIM-120Cs instead of 2 and 2, and you bring an AWACS into the picture... make all combat BVR, hence it evens the field. Though the maneuverability of the aircraft would be compromised if it goes defensive against another BVR missile fired at it though.Originally posted by fett:reply for the above two responses from sgFish and cheeze
okay, i think anyone can search the net for the weight for each of the munitions that you guys mentioned.
and weighted down by all this load, how do you propose that the pilot maneuver his plane?
remember, the best specs of a plane are acquired when the plane is clean. the additional of any hardware can only decrease the handling of any plane. ie, E/A 6, with the addition of each jamming pod on its pylon, there will be a loss of some 10kts in airspeed.
provide an answer to the maneuverability issue, then maybe I’ll concede that a plane can ‘self-escort’ itself for any mission. -
so now you're saying the enemy will accede to your request to carry out all engagement t BVR.I must apologize but you sound exactly like those that say guns on planes are so yesterday when missiles were introduce. so what happened at Vietnam? Gun pods were brought back.Originally posted by sgFish:with the loadout i provided above...perhaps change it to 4 AIM-120Cs instead of 2 and 2, and you bring an AWACS into the picture... make all combat BVR, hence it evens the field. Though the maneuverability of the aircraft would be compromised if it goes defensive against another BVR missile fired at it though.
And you have not provided a solution to the issue of maneuverability.
And for the issue of AWACS, it is quite inconceivable that such a platform is missing in any mission, so weÂ’ll take it that it have to be there. But again, that does not tell me how the pilot is going to preserve his strike payload, his plane and his life in the event of in interception by enemy aircrafts.
