SAF not welcome in Aussie?
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Aussie Greens Senator Kerry Nettle says Singapore has more than 6,000 troops based in Australia and has greater access to Australia than the United States.
"In the agreement that we have with Singapore there's an option for us to say 'well we want to break that agreement, we want to suspend that agreement because we want to seek compassion' I think for Van Nguyen," she said.Mr Howard has warned Mr Lee of the possibility that many Australians might feel "lingering resentment" if Singapore goes ahead with the planned execution on December 2.
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That's another opposition party member in Oz expressing his own views.
Believe me, when you see thier parliament sessions, they're the next best to taiwan. -
I don't think you know Australian parliament sessions enough to give your 2 cents worth. Taiwan politicians end up physical fighting when things turn sour. You will never see this in Australian politics. There are many country that are either like Taiwan or slightly milder.Originally posted by ditzy:That's another opposition party member in Oz expressing his own views. Believe me, when you see thier parliament sessions, they're the next best to taiwan.
Australian parliament model after the westminister system, and hurling "abuses" is just the "norm" but never crossing the line to physical attacks. How can you then make this comment "they're the next best to taiwan". This is so typical generalisation! -
i remember their then-PM.. won by a razor's edge...
he thought he would not win so had absolutely no policies at all..
he was parodied "we f**kin' won??"
well, he was also know to be in parliament to go "you are all SCUMBAGS!! SCUMBAGS!!" -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Many Australian do start to resent Singapore, eventhough we do know that Nyugen has little hope in fighting against his death sentence. What most Australian are pissed off is that Singapore simply "snubbed" the plead for what they see as an unfortunate act of stupidity but in the bid to help his brother. Furthermore, the intention was to bring the drugs back to Australia and not to Singapore. The ministers in Singapore govt simply misread the mood of the Australian people. It is thus the right to Australian to reconsider their relationship with Singapore, and rightly so. Afterall, Sinagapore needs Australia more than Australia needs Singapore.
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Aussie Greens Senator Kerry Nettle says Singapore has more than 6,000 troops based in Australia and has greater access to Australia than the United States.
"In the agreement that we have with Singapore there's an option for us to say 'well we want to break that agreement, we want to suspend that agreement because we want to seek compassion' I think for Van Nguyen," she said.
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Australia should learn to accept it's fate
maybe if it knows how bad the society will potentially end up , it will appreciate the goodness of singapore -
that's dumb...
you go to a country without respecting the laws of that country?
so, i can go into australia and disrespect their laws?
they can resent all they want... if i have a friend like that, i'd reconsider my relationship with him if he came into my house and took a dump on the floor.. even if he does that in his own home, he has no right to do that on MY FLOOR..Originally posted by Joe Black:Many Australian do start to resent Singapore, eventhough we do know that Nyugen has little hope in fighting against his death sentence. What most Australian are pissed off is that Singapore simply "snubbed" the plead for what they see as an unfortunate act of stupidity but in the bid to help his brother. Furthermore, the intention was to bring the drugs back to Australia and not to Singapore. The ministers in Singapore govt simply misread the mood of the Australian people. It is thus the right to Australian to reconsider their relationship with Singapore, and rightly so. Afterall, Sinagapore needs Australia more than Australia needs Singapore. -
Look at it from this scenario , if say 1 of your children tries to bring a poison which will harm all your children potentially , and before reaching your house..
He passed by one of your friend who caught him and is going to execute him.
From australia's point , it is their citizen after all..
From singapore's point , the law must be enforced..
If one of the "children" doesn't get executed , more of your "children" will bring in more poison to harm your own home..
If you publicly try to help him , if he doesn't get executed , more children will get harmed by this poison , and more people could die from drug addiction..
I feel sorry for him .
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I think as Singaporean, it is necessary to look at the big picture. This is not about if Nyugen has broken the law and deserve the death sentence. It is about having an exception, having compassion. We have to ask outselves do Singaporeans know what compassion is. Do we live in a selfish society where our senses are dead to compassion? Read carefully what the Australian are asking. They are pleading for compassion. There are other Australian who were executed due to drugs in Malaysia and other countries, but why this time?Originally posted by the Bear:that's dumb...
you go to a country without respecting the laws of that country?
so, i can go into australia and disrespect their laws?
they can resent all they want... if i have a friend like that, i'd reconsider my relationship with him if he came into my house and took a dump on the floor.. even if he does that in his own home, he has no right to do that on MY FLOOR..
The answer is that the Australian see Nyugen as an naive, but kind hearted person. Yes, he has committed a serious crime, but given his remorse, reprent and intend of commit the crime, he deserves at least some compassion, albeit that his stupidity has caused him his life.
If Singapore is to build a more compassionate society, perhaps it is a good time to reflect the mandatory sentensing in the law. -
The big picture should read.
Mandatory death sentence is neccessary to prevent Singapore from becoming a transit centre for drug smugglers.
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compassion and all that is fine..
however, a country must NEVER EVER even think of questioning the sovereignty of another country...
veiled threats have been thrown around... as you have seen...
that is NOT the way of "respect"..
would they have uttered a word if Nguyen was Vietnamese?
what if Nguyen went to Texas and committed a crime that the Texans would execute him for? it's mandatory there too.. would they have said anything?
compassion?
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U want compassion? I have one word 'God Bless him'...Make sure he goes to heaven after his execution with his confession!Originally posted by Joe Black:I think as Singaporean, it is necessary to look at the big picture. This is not about if Nyugen has broken the law and deserve the death sentence. It is about having an exception, having compassion. We have to ask outselves do Singaporeans know what compassion is. Do we live in a selfish society where our senses are dead to compassion? Read carefully what the Australian are asking. They are pleading for compassion. There are other Australian who were executed due to drugs in Malaysia and other countries, but why this time?
The answer is that the Australian see Nyugen as an naive, but kind hearted person. Yes, he has committed a serious crime, but given his remorse, reprent and intend of commit the crime, he deserves at least some compassion, albeit that his stupidity has caused him his life.
If Singapore is to build a more compassionate society, perhaps it is a good time to reflect the mandatory sentensing in the law. -
an example has to be made.......
continue with the hanging.... -
Your comment is a prime example why Singapore society will never progress from the nanny state mentality. Period.Originally posted by Rockhound:an example has to be made.......
continue with the hanging.... -
big picture?
we spare 1 guy from the gallows, and then every other trafficker out there is going to demand the same thing. -
I didn't ask to abolish death sentense, I simply said mandatory sentensing should be abolished. Let the judges decide when there are or no causes for appeal, or there are cause to consider lighter sentensing. In life, things are not always black and white.Originally posted by nismoS132:big picture?
we spare 1 guy from the gallows, and then every other trafficker out there is going to demand the same thing.
What if someone is being force to carry drugs and get caught, we will only see the mandatory sentensing punishing the victims rather than the drug lords/barons or the real dealers. There are lots of flaw in the law, that's all. -
duplicated
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its a fact tat he tried to traffic drugs n was caught.. no exceptions should b given.. everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.. he was caught in our home so he should b trial by our law.. australia shouldn't add pressure to us n instead respect our country's law.. they have their own way of doing things n we have ours.. if we give tis guy exception n tat guy exemption den wat is the use of our law for?
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I think the judges would have already mulled over this and have decided on the final judgement.Originally posted by Joe Black:I didn't ask to abolish death sentense, I simply said mandatory sentensing should be abolished. Let the judges decide when there are or no causes for appeal, or there are cause to consider lighter sentensing. In life, things are not always black and white.
What if someone is being force to carry drugs and get caught, we will only see the mandatory sentensing punishing the victims rather than the drug lords/barons or the real dealers. There are lots of flaw in the law, that's all.
Remember that he was caught in 2002 or something, and much much investigation must have gone into this to substantiate the sentence.
Why just the australians couldnt see this? More than enough compassion is given when he was remanded in prison till now, Dec 2005, 3 years in prison.
The execution could have been much earlier, by delaying it is already compassion, again why couldnt australians see this?
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well, perhaps if ever thats a loop hole i can help Van, is IF he commits the crime then, he was below 16, then he should get a good chance of reducing death to life time.
Please tell your PM to check it out.
Else i think no deal.
Everyone must be responsible for his actions, sometimes cruelly by death. -
Hang him, I don't care. I'd rather relationships sour for a short period than to have Australian death merchants start a mass transit excercise through my country.Originally posted by Joe Black:Your comment is a prime example why Singapore society will never progress from the nanny state mentality. Period.
These people do not have the common sense to realise that the drugs were meant for their kids, friends and family members and are blinded by a false sense of "patriotism" for everything labelled Australia. -
What is the big picture? compassion, fair and equal law enforcement of law or national sovereignty?Originally posted by Joe Black:I think as Singaporean, it is necessary to look at the big picture. This is not about if Nyugen has broken the law and deserve the death sentence. It is about having an exception, having compassion. We have to ask outselves do Singaporeans know what compassion is. Do we live in a selfish society where our senses are dead to compassion? Read carefully what the Australian are asking. They are pleading for compassion. There are other Australian who were executed due to drugs in Malaysia and other countries, but why this time?
The answer is that the Australian see Nyugen as an naive, but kind hearted person. Yes, he has committed a serious crime, but given his remorse, reprent and intend of commit the crime, he deserves at least some compassion, albeit that his stupidity has caused him his life.
If Singapore is to build a more compassionate society, perhaps it is a good time to reflect the mandatory sentensing in the law.
Care to advise why do you see Nyugen as "naive, and kind hearted"? he knew what he was carrying so he strapped the drugs tightly on his body to avoid detection. He read and speak english, so he knew the risk involved.
Singapore will continue to work on a compassion society, but priority will be given to many weak and unfortunate ppl in the society, including some drug abusers. Drug traffickers are adding pain and agonies to the weak and unfortunate ppl. How can they deserve any compassion?
In the fight against drug abuse in our society, all citizens are nannies to those who are unfortunately got addicted.Originally posted by Joe Black:Your comment is a prime example why Singapore society will never progress from the nanny state mentality. Period.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Well Senator Kerry can say all he wants, that is 6000+ paying troops !!!, also our airforce hire the whole team of australian to maintenance our training planes. We god damn pay for their usage of the place , if he want it , he be having a lot of locals that waiting to give him a piece of their mind for losting them their jobs and business.
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Aussie Greens Senator Kerry Nettle says Singapore has more than 6,000 troops based in Australia and has greater access to Australia than the United States.
"In the agreement that we have with Singapore there's an option for us to say 'well we want to break that agreement, we want to suspend that agreement because we want to seek compassion' I think for Van Nguyen," she said.
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Agreed.I'm betting the syndicate heads are rolling in laughter.Originally posted by Joe Black:I didn't ask to abolish death sentense, I simply said mandatory sentensing should be abolished. Let the judges decide when there are or no causes for appeal, or there are cause to consider lighter sentensing. In life, things are not always black and white.
What if someone is being force to carry drugs and get caught, we will only see the mandatory sentensing punishing the victims rather than the drug lords/barons or the real dealers. There are lots of flaw in the law, that's all.
Mandatory Sentencing has to be abolished.Keep the death penalty by all means. -
I doubt that should be the way. Should compassion then be given to the Bali bombers? What I am pissed is how the media blows up this issue! Most other folks get little coverage. Compassion is good, but letting this fella off without the punishment stated by the law which is as clear and cold as can be, is as good as loosely enforcing law. Loosely enforcing law is crime itself as it leads to others taking advantage of this particular weakness that is often overlooked.Originally posted by Joe Black:I think as Singaporean, it is necessary to look at the big picture. This is not about if Nyugen has broken the law and deserve the death sentence. It is about having an exception, having compassion. We have to ask outselves do Singaporeans know what compassion is. Do we live in a selfish society where our senses are dead to compassion? Read carefully what the Australian are asking. They are pleading for compassion. There are other Australian who were executed due to drugs in Malaysia and other countries, but why this time?
The answer is that the Australian see Nyugen as an naive, but kind hearted person. Yes, he has committed a serious crime, but given his remorse, reprent and intend of commit the crime, he deserves at least some compassion, albeit that his stupidity has caused him his life.
If Singapore is to build a more compassionate society, perhaps it is a good time to reflect the mandatory sentensing in the law.
What I am even more pissed is how Australia continuosly tries to interfere in the affairs of SEA countries. Dr Mahathir is right in calling Australia the "sherriff". This is not the first time they have acted without thought to neighbouring countries. What with pre-emptive strikes and all, who do they think they are?! Do they give thought to how we feel executing our own people and yet letting others go because they have the support of a major country?!