NS defaulter just got fined:(
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Well, the thing is, he is foreign talent leh, with lots to contribute to our Arts scene which the government is trying so hard to develop. Do we really want to scare him away with a jail term?
I bet the authorities here have promised him that he won't be jailed before he decided to come back, or else you think he'll come all the way back to face a possible jail term? After all, he is already living a comfortable life in Britain on a Brutish passport. -
and he's coming home as a hero in the art circle.
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he came back cos he maybe retiring at 49Originally posted by zenden9:If he is enjoying,why he wants to come back? I thought UK is more liberate,good lifestyle and well-develop.If I'm enjoying I also don want to come back....
and his assets in uk convert to sg is 3times -
He come back, gets bit.ched at.He stays there, he doesn't.
He took a gamble to come back.Just live and let live la.What's it with so many Singaporeans being so bitter with a person who managed to walk over the system and made it well.
Seems like the crab in a pot theory is working here, when someone is on the brink of achieving something, the rest who cannot get it, attempt to drag him/her down.Saw that a lot when I was in Jurong Institute..
I seriously despise such atittudes that only foster mediocrity. -
this is bullshIt. it has got nothing to do with his success. it is an indisputable fact that he was accorded special treatment because of his status.
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Sadly enough, that's the fact of life.That's what makes humans go out and get to the top by all those nasty means..Originally posted by dragg:this is bullshIt. it has got nothing to do with his success. it is an indisputable fact that he was accorded special treatment because of his status.
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Like I said before, no point flogging a dead horse. What is already done cannot be undone.Originally posted by LazerLordz:He come back, gets bit.ched at.He stays there, he doesn't.
He took a gamble to come back.Just live and let live la.What's it with so many Singaporeans being so bitter with a person who managed to walk over the system and made it well. -
we have to do what we have to do. otherwise when do you get a chance to say "no point flogging a dead horse"
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Originally posted by dragg:we have to do what we have to do. otherwise when do you get a chance to say "no point flogging a dead horse"
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chances are he checked before coming back.Originally posted by cornyfish2000:Well, the thing is, he is foreign talent leh, with lots to contribute to our Arts scene which the government is trying so hard to develop. Do we really want to scare him away with a jail term?
I bet the authorities here have promised him that he won't be jailed before he decided to come back, or else you think he'll come all the way back to face a possible jail term? After all, he is already living a comfortable life in Britain on a Brutish passport. -
STimes said his old parents cant fly to UK to see him.
So he had to come back to see them
If everybody like him,who will defend his parents and their assests?
Their address is near Peterson Rd. -
His parents could have chosen to leave Singapore if they were able to. If they did so, problem solved.Originally posted by lionnoisy:STimes said his old parents cant fly to UK to see him.
So he had to come back to see them
If everybody like him,who will defend his parents and their assests?
Their address is near Peterson Rd. -
i dont believe it one bit.Originally posted by lionnoisy:STimes said his old parents cant fly to UK to see him.
So he had to come back to see them
If everybody like him,who will defend his parents and their assests?
Their address is near Peterson Rd. -
dont be too bitter lah... we can do the same mah...
i am gonna defer my ICT until i reach 40!!
can always go "oversea" during ICT period...
ask the general go and fight the war himself.... talents are like one man army... i am sure our generals each can kill a million enemy before they bite the dust.... -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
You don get the point do u??
[b]Without strong SAF,what they,some even our friends, need
is/was to send war ships or subs to held their ex. near
Sg then we have to say YES.
This is still a world of fists .U trust UN will save us?
Law of jungle is still apply,sad to say.
Yes.NS is not a good policy.
Is there a perfect policy==No NS and ask Gurka to protect us?
Sg is not perfect.Still many people squeeing in 3 room flats or smaller.
On the all we are enjoying a standard of living which
billions of people have been denied.
Do you think u or your grand/parents can get a job if there is no NS?
Do u think foreign or even local investors will set up so many factories here
since 1965 to feed your grand/parents then u,if there is no NS??
In those MNC,security analysts may exceed our brains in MINDEF.
They will see how their billion of dollars investments
will be protected before they decide.
Tell me how to defend Sg if there in no NS?
Or do u think no matter how we prepare,Sg will be defeated?
Or u think, no country will invade,threaten ,bully Sg?
Without SAF,u think we can stand firm in Michael Faye,
maid- murders cases,or even the current Australian drug trafficker case?
A small Sg is a good target for Foreign politicans to win votes,especially if they are losing.
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it`s not we`re complaining we did NS..
the point is this `talent` skipped NS and paid only 5 k fine that irks the rest of the freaking coummunity... -
It's also his age and status that was taken into account.
if you wanna be like him, skip the country and not come back till you are 50 and see if you can do that. Trust me it's not easy. -
i remember... isnt there a former NUS student leader who skip NS and become a lawyer in UK?Originally posted by |-|05|:It's also his age and status that was taken into account.
if you wanna be like him, skip the country and not come back till you are 50 and see if you can do that. Trust me it's not easy.
i wonder if he will be given a mere 5,000 dollar fine...
and seriously.... you make it sound like its hell outside singapore, i doubt that is really the case...
there are people who are overseas for decades... i doubt they consider it "NOT EASY". -
Who is that guy? Don't tell me it is Tan Wah Piow?Originally posted by tripwire:i remember... isnt there a former NUS student leader who skip NS and become a lawyer in UK?
i wonder if he will be given a mere 5,000 dollar fine...
and seriously.... you make it sound like its hell outside singapore, i doubt that is really the case...
there are people who are overseas for decades... i doubt they consider it "NOT EASY". -
NOT only that... it brings to question the societies faith in the impartiality and equality of our legal system.Originally posted by BaByBoY:You don get the point do u??
it`s not we`re complaining we did NS..
the point is this `talent` skipped NS and paid only 5 k fine that irks the rest of the freaking coummunity...
for the sake of one man... is it worth smearing the good repute that our legal system that has been build up by the efforts of thoudsands of people over so many decades?
its true... we have national objectives... but at what price? maybe we should lower the singapore flag and put the british flag back up... -
Don't judge another man unless you can honestly say you have the guts to walk away from 70s NS and Singapore laws at the age of 18.
Can you?Not many would have the guts.Like it or not, he made this choice.He will live with it.You and I served our time and we had peace of mind.He did not and he had to live it in his own way till now.
Fair enough.Does it matter to you if he gets jailed or fined?Will it make your nights oh so much happier?
WTF.
Let's end this crap.How many of you guys would honestly not want to even defer ICT for work commitments?If you were so passionate, you would have signed with the force right? -
i think that's his name... but i doubt he will be getting a mere fine with his special "anti PAP talent".Originally posted by iveco:Who is that guy? Don't tell me it is Tan Wah Piow? -
He is enjoying his freedom in England's liberal atmosphere. Don't expect him back anytime soon.Originally posted by tripwire:i think that's his name... but i doubt he will be getting a mere fine with his special "anti PAP talent". -
.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Don't judge another man unless you can honestly say you have the guts to walk away from 70s NS and Singapore laws at the age of 18.
Can you?Not many would have the guts.Like it or not, he made this choice.He will live with it.You and I served our time and we had peace of mind.He did not and he had to live it in his own way till now.
Fair enough.Does it matter to you if he gets jailed or fined?Will it make your nights oh so much happier?
WTF. Let's end this crap.How many of you guys would honestly not want to even defer ICT for work commitments?If you were so passionate, you would have signed with the force right?
by your argument.. we shouldnt even have NS... lets just canned it and put the union jack back up.
the question here is more then just guts and glory of one man who managed to skip the NS... to play piano or porno.
i dont give a damn if he skip NS to go dance with the devils.... he is not the first and definitely not the last... but once he goes on trial.. it becomes much bigger...
its no longer a ONE MAN issue... it becomes a NATIONAL issue... with serious implications, where the integrity and singaporean's faith in our legal system becomes questionable.
I dont give a damn if he got run over by a 16 wheel truck tomorrow... he is NOT important... but the legal implications and the effects of the legal rulings will definitely have repercussions on the moral of NSmen as well as NSF and regulars.
in short... its not about HIM... its about the implications for SINGAPORE. i dont even know the fella... nor appreciate his god damn music... he is just one of the uncountable numbers of mediocre musicians running stages around the world. -
Seriously, what do you guys gain from flogging a dead horse? What is done cannot be undone. How many times do I have to remind you?Originally posted by tripwire:.
by your argument.. we shouldnt even have NS... lets just canned it and put the union jack back up.
the question here is more then just guts and glory of one man who managed to skip the NS...
i dont give a damn if he skip NS to go dance with the devils.... he is not the first and definitely not the last... but once he goes on trial.. it becomes much bigger...
its no longer a ONE MAN issue... it becomes a NATIONAL issue... with serious implications, where the integrity and singaporean's faith in our legal system become questionable.
I dont give a damn if he got run over by a 16 wheel truck tomorrow... he is NOT important... the legal implications and the effects of the legal rulings will have repercussions on the moral of NSmen as well as NSF and regulars. -
Blame the system then, not the man.There is a lack of appreciation for the individual who manages to sneak around big government here..this lack of such a heritage is probably one reason why we never had real creativity.(not to condone his acts though.)Originally posted by tripwire:.
by your argument.. we shouldnt even have NS... lets just canned it and put the union jack back up.
the question here is more then just guts and glory of one man who managed to skip the NS...
i dont give a damn if he skip NS to go dance with the devils.... he is not the first and definitely not the last... but once he goes on trial.. it becomes much bigger...
its no longer a ONE MAN issue... it becomes a NATIONAL issue... with serious implications, where the integrity and singaporean's faith in our legal system become questionable.
I dont give a damn if he got run over by a 16 wheel truck tomorrow... he is NOT important... the legal implications and the effects of the legal rulings will have repercussions on the moral of NSmen as well as NSF and regulars.
Did we ever have full faith in our legal system?Or did it take so long for the population to see the "uncertainties" in the cases that have come up so far?The big tsunami of pissed-off people today is indirectly the result of having loopholes in the system and the unspoken way that certain groups are treated.
Yes you are right, there are changes needed.Reviews too.But don't misinterpret my words.Think about it...
Cheers.