Singapore selected EC120 to replace AS550 helicopter
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hi this is my first posting... don't know whether this has been posted....
as shown in Flight International mag dated 1-7Nov 2005
Singapore has selected EC120 to replace AS550 helicopter
helicopter will be maintained by ST Aero -
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The Singapore selected EC120B made where?
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The EC120 is a light utility helicopter jointly developed by a few countries, Singapore is one of them. It makes economic sense to choose this over the rest as this will generate jobs in ST aero. I am wondering what sort of weapons or modifications is carried out in the helicopters we are acquiring. By the way can you post the article comfirming this sale? Thanks
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ha ha we are talking the heli hereMade in Singapore helpcopter
green portion is made by ST Aerospace . -
can the EC 120 be armed? from the official website provided by pitot, it doesn't say so anywhere..
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According to Flight International, Sg is looking for heli trainer. So I dun think this copters need to be armed.
And threadstarter have not came up with prove of the purchase so i dun no if this is comfirmed. -
AH-6 seems to be nicer leh...
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Under this contract, worth about $120m, ST Aerospace will provide the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) a fleet of five EC120 Colibri helicopters with full technical and logistic support for the fleet over a period of 20 years.
25 November 2005 -ST Aerospace to Provide RSAF With Training Helicopters Worth About $120MUnder the programme, ST Aerospace lywill own and maintain the helicopters, while pilot training would be performed by the RSAF. Eurocopter Southeast Asia (ESEA), which collaborated with ST Aerospace on this project, will
Why ST own the heli,instead if SAF?
supply the helicopters as well as the simulators.
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note the rear portion in made by ST Aero -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Cheaper to lease these choppers, especially if they will only be used as trainers.It's the same as what the RSAF does with BAE in Tamworth.
[b]Under this contract, worth about $120m, ST Aerospace will provide the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) a fleet of five EC120 Colibri helicopters with full technical and logistic support for the fleet over a period of 20 years.
25 November 2005 -ST Aerospace to Provide RSAF With Training Helicopters Worth About $120M
Why ST own the heli,instead if SAF?[/b] -
Agreed. If u do some calculation, it only cost S$1.2 million per helicopter per year. All maintenance will be provided at the price. Bao ka liaoOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Cheaper to lease these choppers, especially if they will only be used as trainers.It's the same as what the RSAF does with BAE in Tamworth. ... No need to train technicians to maintain the aircraft also. 20 years later just return the aircraft to ST; if needed, extend the contract loh. It's very cost saving for RSAF loh. ST Aerospace also stands to gain from the contract... Win-win situation for both parties. -
Is there a difference whether who owns the Helicopter ?
The helicopter belongs to Singapore.
You and I pay taxes and GST for it. -
I heard sometime back the EC120 was developed to replace the gazalle, I'm sure with the EC120 they can install minigun pods to convert into light gunships.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
cos it's ST who develops it.
[b]Under this contract, worth about $120m, ST Aerospace will provide the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) a fleet of five EC120 Colibri helicopters with full technical and logistic support for the fleet over a period of 20 years.
25 November 2005 -ST Aerospace to Provide RSAF With Training Helicopters Worth About $120M
Why ST own the heli,instead if SAF?
Pl
note the rear portion in made by ST Aero[/b]
ST develop machines while SAF develop man. -
Yaya... Definitely they are built for multi-mission including training. Maybe for armed reconnaissance mission then fix gun pods. But why we need minigun pods when we have the Longbow Apache. Blast our enemy with Hellfire II and 30mm cannon. ShiokOriginally posted by KumSioJui:I heard sometime back the EC120 was developed to replace the gazalle, I'm sure with the EC120 they can install minigun pods to convert into light gunships. -
Not as cost effective. Why send AH-64's to chase down infantry or tracking small pockets of troops when they should be blasting tanks and IFV's. Besides, only 20 of them not enough to go around.Originally posted by kelong70:Yaya... Definitely they are built for multi-mission including training. Maybe for armed reconnaissance mission then fix gun pods. But why we need minigun pods when we have the Longbow Apache. Blast our enemy with Hellfire II and 30mm cannon. Shiok -
I agree with you....Originally posted by |-|05|:Not as cost effective. Why send AH-64's to chase down infantry or tracking small pockets of troops when they should be blasting tanks and IFV's. Besides, only 20 of them not enough to go around.
We need more heli airframes with "attack" capabilities...less capable but much less expensive then the Apache.... -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Correction... the green portion was DEVELOPED , DESIGNED and TESTED, by ST Aero. Originally, the plan was that the green portion was to be built in Singapore (local assy and manufacture). But due to higher costs, the green portion is now mostly built in China !
ha ha we are talking the heli here[b]Made in Singapore helpcopter
green portion is made by ST Aerospace .
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The EC 120 has a poor external load. Originally, there were no provisions for hardpoints ( i.e. the structural parts designed to absorb the weight and vibration of weapon systems). But this is what I know of the EC 120 in its earlier version. They may have improved the structure now to accomodate a small external payload.
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I don't disagree with you that it's not cost effective. But the Apaches are generally tasked to do all these jobs of wiping out tanks, IFVs and also infantry troops. If it's cost effective to be in charge of only tanks and IFVs, then why are they armed with rockets and machine guns.Originally posted by |-|05|:Not as cost effective. Why send AH-64's to chase down infantry or tracking small pockets of troops when they should be blasting tanks and IFV's. Besides, only 20 of them not enough to go around.
If mindef are really for really cost-effective heli, then they should continue using AS-550 fennec, whereby they can carry heavier load compared to EC-120. -
Will the EC120 be allocated to any squadrons?
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keep the fennecs.....make them into gun bunnies for close air support....
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I think the EC120 due to it's lightweight more suited to reconfigure for recon and intel missions, rescue, training.
But I think is possible if they customize it instead of 5 seats to say 2 seats they could add mebbe a gun/grenade launcher pod to make it a light gunship for suport roles -
Well they are generally tasked to do anything however i think it's ranked pretty damn low on their to do list. Guess for them it's a matter of better have it and not need it then need it and not have it.Originally posted by kelong70:I don't disagree with you that it's not cost effective. But the Apaches are generally tasked to do all these jobs of wiping out tanks, IFVs and also infantry troops. If it's cost effective to be in charge of only tanks and IFVs, then why are they armed with rockets and machine guns.
If mindef are really for really cost-effective heli, then they should continue using AS-550 fennec, whereby they can carry heavier load compared to EC-120.
As for replacing the AS-550 with EC120 well dont look at me haha i dont know