If MY to construct a half-bridge,how?
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Originally posted by AF2005:
todae straits time also publish an article about malaysia and indonesia being 'best friends' as something necessary...something about being of a common race...think they realli like to play wif the race issue to disrupt stability in this region lor...I applaud our Singapore Government's firm stand on issues like these...must not be threatened by such sabre-rattling bully tactics
[b]They always pick on us, tiny island with no resources. Sometimes i even think race problems may be exaggerated and influenced by external parties out to create inbalance.b] -
todae straits time also publish an article about malaysia and indonesia being 'best friends' as something necessary
Don`t count on it. They have`nt exactly been the best of buddies in the past and certainly not now. We are definitely closer to Indonesia; especially during the Suharto era. They have teething issues with Thailand, Brunei and as far as Australia(on issues as diverse as Australia`s native people..thks to Dr M). Not too long ago, DPM Najib declared that China is a naturally ally of Malaysia. They did`nt exactly got a nod from China so that was kind of malu. Can you say bizzare statements come from the north from time to time.
But it`s important that some semblance of good ties exist between Malaysia and Indonesia.
International treaties and law is very important if you want credibility and influence in the global scene. But what has been happenning seems to me like some kind of kampong politics transplanted into the world stage where `face' matters a lot. I don`t think they have had a good record in getting good people to come forward to serve. Anyway, kudos to our guys at the MFA for maintaining thier professionalism; otherwise it could turn out to be a shout fight in a wet-market. That`s the image I get each time they start this routine with whichever country it is. They`re not helping themselves definitely. And they should know thier place. -
indonesia and malaysia are two different countries dominate by their own races and policies and beliefs, its like bitter enemies trying to stay friendly. They can never be as close to either one of them as they are to singapore.
Why do you think a malaysian bomber is doing in indo?
They are both trying to dominate their soreignity over this region. Singapore is the gap between. Their way relationship between singapore are totally different from each other. If no singapore in between, the two countries will be fighting over the lighthouse and some islands, including singapore. I remember the king who sail to singapore from sumatra. Lion city. -
better don't say , Malaysia astronauts are going to space soon..Originally posted by gary1910:What bother abt that stupid fool!!!!
When he make joke abt we drinking new water , it show how stupid he is???
And he called himself a doctor when he dun even read abt the scientific papers of on microfiltration and reverse osmosis which even spacemen drink them!!!
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It surely wouldn't be a nice sight , when Dr. M celebrates on national TV and they are drinking russian's NEWater..
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I wonder how long the reverse osmosis machine has been used on that spaceship , probably about 30 - 40 years old pee..
anyway , Cheers to that! -
incase you havent read, Singapore sells water back to malaysia on the cheap. Hence if PAS takes the water agreements and tear them up, it is they're own people who will complain about the rise in the water prices. For us, it's back to the water rationing days hehOriginally posted by AF2005:They always pick on us, tiny island with no resources. Sometimes i even think race problems may be exaggerated and influenced by external parties out to create inbalance. We have to be self sufficient and PAP now is also too snob in the eyes of our neighbours. We always talk about treaty and international law. But our neighbours may not like it. They like contract without fixed price and up to them to change and also this bridge, even two houses join at the wall also needs to get approval between owners just to made any modification. What they say we must follow. i guess in their heart, they have not really let go of us yet.
when any parties want to do any project which involves the other party, a formal written proposal must be issue and spelt out clearly and sign by johore and KL. Next if johore becomes independant, but contract with federal can be void. The water contract is with johore and singapore, but somehow transfer to KL. If one day PAS wins in johore, then how? They can denied all informal contracts by federal and BN.
I guess they have run out of projects, thats why in a rush to build the CQ. What happens the bridge can only be build 300m to the left of the CW due to problems., then they cannot shift the CQ on the right.
i think a new bridge will be great but must mutually benefit both parties and must be free, no toll for all vehicles and people. -
But why SG dragging her feet?Originally posted by ferryman2393:Greetings,
MY should not have considered a bridge to replace the Causeway in the first place. This would render the Malaysia Singapore Second Crossing pointless. But then again, the Causeway is causing a lot of environmental headaches, among others, nowadays. Replacing it with a bridge would alleviate some of the associated environmental issues. Isn't this a good enough excuse to replace the Causeway with a bridge? Since SG is dragging her feet over this issue, don't discount on MY building a crooked bridge. There's no issue with ITLOS or whatever law as MY is not considering to make do with the Causeway. MY is merely building a crooked bridge to replace her part of the Causeway. For this, MY does not need SG's consent. What serious implications would that be if MY proceed with the crooked bridge? -
Ohhh Really?Originally posted by dragg:if MY wanted to build it on their own she would have done it long ago. she always put it like they care about our opinion actually they dont. she merely wants our money.
closing the border will only hurt them more, not us. we are MY's no 1 source of tourists revenue. johor will never agree to the closing of the border. -
But why SG dragging her feet?
To be honest, Im wondering why too seeing as such we are not the ones who want to build the bridge and still have to fork out a half a billion dollars. You might want to add that water supply(!), traffic, trade, etc might be affected plus maybe the cause of pollution is not the causeway among other things. ..Don`t forget it`s an international institution which cannot be demolished without the prior agreement of both parties.
And the manner with which the matter has been dealt thus far from the other side of the causeway is really a model on diplomatic initiative and cooperation. It ought to be on the first page followed by far more elaborated and complicated models. Easy ones from first the page and with the difficult ones last.
To me, if a crooked bridge is somehow built in the end, it is a symbol of blemished ties made physical for all to see for generations to come. That`s truly regrettable.
Anyhow, most of those points are up there...somewhere.Ohhh Really?
Closing the borders would hurt both sides a lot really. You`re right. -
If MY to construct a half-bridge,how?
How? We'll have more Malaysian cars flying into our waters lor. Very soon, SG dun even need to spend a single cent can have a structure on our side liao, courtesy of those cars.
Maybe a good thing for the Tuas causeway to generate more business.
How? Once they finished that thing we line up along the shores and applaud their common sense lor. -
In my opinion,
they should just use second link alone. will be a good compromise...
then we will force them to shift the railway lines to tuas and reclaim Tanjong Pagar. -
yes you are right. johore will lose out once the treaty is over. I dare to eat road side food or drink their sugar cane in JB is because they use same water form singapore. If not i wouldn't even dare to drink tea tarik.Originally posted by |-|05|:incase you havent read, Singapore sells water back to malaysia on the cheap. Hence if PAS takes the water agreements and tear them up, it is they're own people who will complain about the rise in the water prices. For us, it's back to the water rationing days heh
PUB have invested so many millions to build up water facillities projects which will be write off in years to come. Johore will lose out because of federal control. Sometimes , i wonder why they only see things now and not the future. Johore also makes alot of money by selling reservoir water to other states. and they get cheaper fresh water from singapore. But of course what they charge us for water , we charge them back the same plus treatment cost for drinking water without profit. Its was all along an agreement between singapore and johore , nothing to do with the federal till 1990s who wants to show sovereignty at all costs. -
There is no rush. A crooked bridge or straight bridge, its all about money and ptp. They need the projects so they awarded the tenders very fast to bumi contractors. now project going to finish , so they worry about while elephant. and worse no contract for contractors and thus no kickback money. Than election going to be bad for BN. For PTP its big money spinner, but only can use half the channel.
Worse to worse, a crooked bridge will still do the job. If all things cannot work out, singapore will just have to accept a funny bridge.
500 million to one billion is lot of money, i rather the gov give them to us than to build a billion dollar bridge with no justifications on our side.
just remember it will not be free. they could be charging rm$5 for cars per entry. -
well the bridge if ever build will be the symbol of both nation.
One crook half and one straight half. Well reflection of real life ! -
A crooked bridge?
How do they put the water pipes for Sg or simply dunt re instal
pipes after the crooked bridge or whatever built?
If they build pipes along the crooked bridge ,will the water pumps strong
enough to pump the water up?How frequent the pumps break down?
If the pipes are put on sea bed, ships may damage pipes.
MM Lee said in his book that he told Dr M in 1980's ,if the water supply is
disrupted,SAF would advance to JB.Am I right? -
Originally posted by storywolf:well the bridge if ever build will be the symbol of both nation.
One crook half and one straight half. Well reflection of real life !
Well said!!!!! -
things to reconnect water pipes, HV transmision cables, railway signalling, railtracks and furthermore they want a draw bridge.
IF the bridge is draw, what happens to traffic? what happens to those connecting things? sometimes i also blurr. Thats why we need a clear 100 page proposal.