Look at what china pple sae abt our new 155mm gun!!
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I believe it is still to Singapore's advantage to have a strong US presence in Asia. Somehow, I believe more tensions and conflicts will arise should there be a balance of military power between US and China. When there is a balance of military might, chances of having a showdown is higher.
If one side is always significantly weaker than the other, risks of war is lower. No war, more $$. -
Japan wanted whole of asia.
Naturally after taking half of china you would look forward to more domination.
And to prove domination over fellow yellow skinned.
You've got island formosa , korea , china , and the next yellow skinned country would be S.E.A -
Basically japanese language and culture is based on their view of China's language on culture.
therefore it comes the language and culture similarities etc.
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As China is rising , China might do the same back to Japan.
If USA wasn't around , Taiwan would have been under China's possession by now. and Japan would have got it's asses whacked for interfering
Korea also would have been neutral and watch japan getting wacked.
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Strong or weak presence is rather relative and there are different dimensions.
From another angle, does US depend on its military to assert its power, does it exercise its diplomatic influence to exert its presence, or does it make use of its economic power to make its presence known?
Outside of Japan and Korea we donÂ’t see strong US military presence.
Military showdown will not develop if there are economic exchanges, military showdown can be avoided only through regular diplomatic contacts. A showdown between a weak nation facing a significantly stronger force will only result in the use of extreme measure, in the case of North Korea, China, Pakistan and India, it will be nuclear weapons!
Besides, there will be no peace in the region if there are suicide bombings every now and then against American targets. The greater the US “presence”, the greater the risks of terrorists attack.
Asia has come under great influence of the US since WW2, but how many countries in Asia are truly pro-American? Not sure about Thailand and the Philippines, donÂ’t think the Vietnamese like the Yankees, and definitely not Malaysia and Indonesia. And if US continue to take China as their potential enemy, they may soon realize that they actually do not have many friends in Asia.
and how well are things americans received by the Asians now? I now have more choice than hamburger and kentucky, like ramian and jiaozi (ginza), and I now watch more Korean, Japanese movies and tv than those from Hollywood.
IMF, under the US has lost the trust of Asian businessmen in US as a savior in a financial crisis. The war in iraq has also put US in a bad light among the muslim countries in the region.
There is a lot the US need to do in their presence in Asia, putting a few more carrier groups will not help, trying to counter the rise of China will not serve any purpose. -
Still,N.Korea is a necessary evil for us to wipe out.Sould ride in and save the population there.Sunday times really disturbed me about the harsh living conditions in N.Korea. Why should the people be starving and dying,while their leader does nothing but eat,drink and make merry?Like that,you don't need a leader,any tom,dick and harry can fulfill that.
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Asia need north Korea to be united under south korea. We need china to stop supporting north korea and to do that we need to make china feel comfortable that a united korea will not be another part of the american containment of China, and politically it will not be a yes man to the yankee. Only then can we be realistic in hoping for a unification of korea, even if it means unification by force.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Still,N.Korea is a necessary evil for us to wipe out.Sould ride in and save the population there.Sunday times really disturbed me about the harsh living conditions in N.Korea. Why should the people be starving and dying,while their leader does nothing but eat,drink and make merry?Like that,you don't need a leader,any tom,dick and harry can fulfill that. -
While I am sympathetic to the people of North Korea. I am not sure if a military solution is indeed the best. The people are still Koreans, north or south. A war would simply pit north against the south again. Relatives against relatives. Isn't that more painful to see?
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agree. North Korea is still holding a very large war machine.
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Dear leader kim really reminds me of hitler, except hitler did a better job then him. Any of you watched the German film "Downfall"? Shows the last 10 days of hitler's life.
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I think the North Korean people should have risen up against Kim a long time ago, situation is already so dire..whatever happened to the fire of the Korean people.
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China will not invade Singapore, but she might do a pre-emptive naval incursion to prevent any US blockade of raw materials through the Straits of Malacca in case of a Taiwan straits conflict.Originally posted by tvdog:It's hard to imagine why China would even consider invading little Singapore - of all places?
What would the likely scenario be that would lead China to do such a thing?
And seeing how the USN bases out from Singapore, you'd be naive to think that we won't get sucked into this war.
Think about our long range air and naval assets, what we have bought and integrated.Our RSAF Blk52+ with A2A refuelling, have the strike range up to Hainan Island and we have near-complete air surveillance of the northern approaches to the South China Sea. -
The problem for Jap is that they are showing a very negative and bossy attitude to deny their war crimes in WW2. They have repeated denied the existance of all their war crimes despite of strong evidences; eg witness accounts, artifacts (Jap chemcial warfare) and even recovered Jap military documents. Despite that the facts that Jap is a good business partner, we are really worried on how Jap handle the foreign affair; worst of al, they might resort to use war as a method to jump start their economy engines just like the 1930s.
Sg needs to be aware on the changing of the geopolitical landscape in the Far East. Sg would required to build up our technological capability to meet the future challenges. -
Regardless, I would see China as a bigger threat.Japan is nothing compared to the belligerance China can come up with if needed.She is ironically acting like Japan pre-WW2 if you look closely.She needs much more resources than Japan and so on..Originally posted by archon1234:The problem for Jap is that they are showing a very negative and bossy attitude to deny their war crimes in WW2. They have repeated denied the existance of all their war crimes despite of strong evidences; eg witness accounts, artifacts (Jap chemcial warfare) and even recovered Jap military documents. Despite that the facts that Jap is a good business partner, we are really worried on how Jap handle the foreign affair; worst of al, they might resort to use war as a method to jump start their economy engines just like the 1930s.
Sg needs to be aware on the changing of the geopolitical landscape in the Far East. Sg would required to build up our technological capability to meet the future challenges. -
David Letterman should make the list of "ten things a little island republic shouldn't do to endanger its existence".Originally posted by LazerLordz:China will not invade Singapore, but she might do a pre-emptive naval incursion to prevent any US blockade of raw materials through the Straits of Malacca in case of a Taiwan straits conflict.
And seeing how the USN bases out from Singapore, you'd be naive to think that we won't get sucked into this war.
Think about our long range air and naval assets, what we have bought and integrated.Our RSAF Blk52+ with A2A refuelling, have the strike range up to Hainan Island and we have near-complete air surveillance of the northern approaches to the South China Sea.
Bombing China would fit somewhere near the top of that list.
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No there fundamental differences between Japan and ChinaOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Regardless, I would see China as a bigger threat.Japan is nothing compared to the belligerance China can come up with if needed.She is ironically acting like Japan pre-WW2 if you look closely.She needs much more resources than Japan and so on..
From history point of view, Japs tried many times to invade China, WWII was not the 1st, and if China donÂ’t be alert, it may not be the last. Just see the attitude of those Japs politicians. On the coutrary, China never did even once though itÂ’s a much bigger country.
From the nationality point of view, Japs intend to bow to the strong yield and respond coldly to soft approaching. Who did the most harmful to Japan? American, whom they worship the most? Yankees! Still remember just not long ago, a number here sing song like” we love Japs” , for such a person, I persuade him go to the Japs’ gather house and sing the same tone, see, they will give a A$$ to this guy or not.
From the geography point of the view, China is much much bigger, thus it feels more secure than japan, Chinese nationality is more open-minded to outside. ThatÂ’s why, you can see the biggest banks and many strategy asserts are open to foreign investment, and oversea investors can virtually invest almost every industries in PRC and sell goods there. but even look at todayÂ’s japan, itÂ’s still basically closed to outsiders.
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Haiz... if China is so strong, then why so many chinaman labourers?
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"Chinaman" a very racist term. So unless you're a racist bigot please stop using that term.Originally posted by getlaid.com:Haiz... if China is so strong, then why so many chinaman labourers?
Most of us whom are ethnic chinese Singaporeans had ancestors who came to Singapore as labourers. Singapore was built (literally) on the backs of these labourers.
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No one's advocating bombing China, but if there is a blockade, will you stand by and let their navy enter our waters or SLOCs?The latter is a non-negotiable pillar of our National Interest.Any intention of blockading our SLOCs is tantamount to declaration of war on us.Originally posted by tvdog:David Letterman should make the list of "ten things a little island republic shouldn't do to endanger its existence".
Bombing China would fit somewhere near the top of that list.
Dude, you've grossly over-estimated our military ambitions/capabilites.
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China has two roads to choose.Let the CMC hawks take control and we won't see a progressive, prosperous China.Therefore it is vital that Hu be given the full support to reform as he sees fit.Originally posted by 38�Ž:No there fundamental differences between Japan and China
From history point of view, Japs tried many times to invade China, WWII was not the 1st, and if China donÂ’t be alert, it may not be the last. Just see the attitude of those Japs politicians. On the coutrary, China never did even once though itÂ’s a much bigger country.
From the nationality point of view, Japs intend to bow to the strong yield and respond coldly to soft approaching. Who did the most harmful to Japan? American, whom they worship the most? Yankees! Still remember just not long ago, a number here sing song like” we love Japs” , for such a person, I persuade him go to the Japs’ gather house and sing the same tone, see, they will give a A$$ to this guy or not.
From the geography point of the view, China is much much bigger, thus it feels more secure than japan, Chinese nationality is more open-minded to outside. ThatÂ’s why, you can see the biggest banks and many strategy asserts are open to foreign investment, and oversea investors can virtually invest almost every industries in PRC and sell goods there. but even look at todayÂ’s japan, itÂ’s still basically closed to outsiders.
So how could you see closely, then find todayÂ’s China is like Japan just before WWII?
What I was trying to portray is China in the other road, beset by internal strife and using a conflict to attempt to unite the people once more.This has been done throughout the centuries.. -
In its long history, Korea was attacked twice by the japanese in 1500s, causing much destruction and suffering, and it was occupied by the japanese since 1910, starting the period of the most brutal repression in korean history. Korea was later "liberated" by the russian in the north and the american in the south after WW2.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I think the North Korean people should have risen up against Kim a long time ago, situation is already so dire..whatever happened to the fire of the Korean people.
why has the north korean not risen up against dictator Kim? may be their fire died fighting the japanese occupation, or may be repression by their own dictator is still better than repression by the japanese?
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A very dangerous and naïve presumption on a war with China! Dangerous to assume that US would have to use, and can use, a blockade of the Straits of Malacca in containing China; naïve to believe that countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia would stand aside leaving the US and Singapore to control the Straits of Malacca. It is a complete arrogance to think that the countries in the region will allow Singapore to assume “near-complete air surveillance” of the south china sea, with our “RSAF Blk52+ with A2A refueling”.Originally posted by LazerLordz:China has two roads to choose.Let the CMC hawks take control and we won't see a progressive, prosperous China.Therefore it is vital that Hu be given the full support to reform as he sees fit.
What I was trying to portray is China in the other road, beset by internal strife and using a conflict to attempt to unite the people once more.This has been done throughout the centuries..
It will be a sad day for the ppl of Singapore to believe that siding with the US, in a war with China, is for the National Interest of Singapore.
So far not even the worse of the American hawks can tell the Chinese what roads or choice they have in deciding for their future. You put rumsfield and his hawks to shame.
So what “internal strife” is China facing now? And when in the centuries of Chinese history do you see it using a conflict to unite its people? Is it your understanding or ignorance of china, the past and the present, or is it just your fantasy that drive you into portray china the way you did? -
whoa there.Cool your horses man..do you think I came up with this scenario overnight?Originally posted by sgdiehard:A very dangerous and naïve presumption on a war with China! Dangerous to assume that US would have to use, and can use, a blockade of the Straits of Malacca in containing China; naïve to believe that countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia would stand aside leaving the US and Singapore to control the Straits of Malacca. It is a complete arrogance to think that the countries in the region will allow Singapore to assume “near-complete air surveillance” of the south china sea, with our “RSAF Blk52+ with A2A refueling”.
It will be a sad day for the ppl of Singapore to believe that siding with the US, in a war with China, is for the National Interest of Singapore.
So far not even the worse of the American hawks can tell the Chinese what roads or choice they have in deciding for their future. You put rumsfield and his hawks to shame.
So what “internal strife” is China facing now? And when in the centuries of Chinese history do you see it using a conflict to unite its people? Is it your understanding or ignorance of china, the past and the present, or is it just your fantasy that drive you into portray china the way you did?
It's all speculation and I am not even stating that it is policy or anything concrete in terms of foreign policy.If it is arrogant to suggest certain foreign policy directions another nation may or may not take, then it's damn sad right.
Have I said that China is in internal strife now?Please look at the words in a proper context and if I have misrepresented anything, then I apologize.The concept of divide and rule is nothing new.However, you have a valid point regarding our RSAF and any permission that might be granted to our overflights, still, the technical ability is there and in a conflict, rules may change.
In foreign policy, one has to come up with both plausible and the implausible.Never leave a stone unturned.
Some sites..http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?d=ww2010.i.taiwan040823
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18570
http://www.icasinc.org/2005/2005l/2005lrxl.html
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/cepmlp/journal/html/Vol15/article15_1.html
http://www.washingtonobserver.org/en/document.cfm?documentid=12&charid=1
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Nothing is certain. We have to consider all possible scenarios.Originally posted by LazerLordz:whoa there.Cool your horses man..do you think I came up with this scenario overnight?
It's all speculation and I am not even stating that it is policy or anything concrete in terms of foreign policy.If it is arrogant to suggest certain foreign policy directions another nation may or may not take, then it's damn sad right.
Have I said that China is in internal strife now?Please look at the words in a proper context and if I have misrepresented anything, then I apologize.The concept of divide and rule is nothing new.
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Hmmmm...... to Sgdiehard, wat u said that China has no internal strife? isit? Now maybe not, but in a decade or so might have.
First of all, no nation on this planet can ever declare that they are a eternal, forever peace loving civilisation or nation. If they ever done so, it is A WHITE LIE. I know, Chinese leadership promise that they will never want to dominate the world, but, do u believe that 100%? Of, course, with their current economical and military strength still relatively infant, they can go abt trumpeting that! And u claim that China never laid dirty thoughts on the territories of other nations, u must be kidding! Just like Japanese harrassed it's neighbours since 1500s, China since Han period already start a couple of violent expeditions into their neighbours land. Do u knoe that in Vietnam, there is this festival that celebrates the driving out of the Song dynasty soldiers abt 1000 yrs ago? Do u knoe that emporer of Sui dynasty start 3 long and bloody campaigns that range for abt 50 years to capture the Gao Li (korean) empire! But of course most Chinese historians from past to present gloss over such campaigns.Bcos the emporer is regarded as the mandate and China was like in the middle of the Universe! Therefore Chinese being influenced by such thinkings, bcomes racist in nature by claiming those non-Han as barbarians. But why no ppls complain abt these events of wars throughout history, because the authorities then cleverly linked the conquest to "taming and subduing the uncivilized", and most importantly link it to the ruler. If it was the emporer's and heaven's will, it is the people's will!
Secondly, if u happen to visit China's military websites, u will be horrified by the level of facist, racism in those forum, u will also marvel at the success of China's propaganda. One really wonder wat they learn in schools. They literally swear, curse, insult, and hurl vulgarities at almost any nation on this planet, that also includes us. They are not like us at least cool down and do comparison on military gears, their there to show off their nationalism and their flair in vulgarities. Of, course u may say China forumers do not represent the government, but one day these guys are going to replace the old in the government or lead their army, would they be as peaceful as now. I have seen many China websites openly admiring Hilter and his fascist behaviour. Many praise him for uniting the Bavarian race and bring his civilisation to the next highest level! Scary rite! If he is in Singapore, confirm jail liao!!
And there was once I chance upon this Chinese website that talk abt our RSN, my god...... almost 9 pages of insults and bashing! But one thing surprised me, was when a few cool- headed forumers start to make comparison of our ship and their, and came upon the conclusion that RSS ships are generally better han PLAN, the thread was banned!! Soon it was DELETED!! U knoe why? U got the China internet police to thank! China government have been using the internet as a powerful leash to control the ppls unknowingly. The rising of social disparity(AIDS, rural urban migration issues, ehtnic unfairness) , economical gap and other problems have been casting an ugly shadow on the CCP. To divert the ppls attention,way form these 'time bombs' they set up these forums to allow ppls to express their feelings to the military, as their military is deem one of their prideful things, on one hand, ppl think they are given more freedom to voice their views,....more'democratic', but the CCP has the last laugh as they are controlling them. Do u knoe CCP also like to control news that flows into and out of CHina?Those things like peasant riots which is on the rise is never reported on CCTV u knoe? There was once I happen to see a China websites that claim SARS start in Singapore and we sabo them by spreading it to them!