F15K/S VS SU30MK3
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somebody translate for us...paiseh my chinese not good >.<
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http://jczs.sina.com.cn/bbs/2005/1101/15121909.htmlOriginally posted by UTAS:http://jczs.sina.com.cn/bbs/2005/1101/15121909.html -
According to the on-line newest report, Russia will export its newest SU-30MKK to our country the advanced version SU-30MKK3 fighter bomber, but our neighboring country Korea, also will start to increase buys F-15k, SU-30MKK3 and F-15k all is in the fighter bomber certainly the generation of master, then these two kind of minute will be the different camp between the master, who will battle in the future has the superiority, who will be able truly to represent the East Asian fighter plane the most high level, the estimate is the reader is urgent wants to know, I through the data material which will obtain, will provide the most real answer for the reader. First: SU-30MKK3 is F-15k and same, all was improves the development on the before mature organism, all will have in the future air fight captures the air superiority and carries out the depth to the place strike mission multipurpose fighter bomber. SU-30MKK3 also retained the Soviet-type family elegant outlook as well as the airborne mobility, was outstanding because of the air operated outlook, its air fight mobility F-15k is stronger, but F - the 15k fighter aircraft overall layout carried on " the attack hawk " the design, made the suitable improvement in the structure aspect. This machine biggest characteristic is has outside the suspension type conformal fuel tank under the wing air intake two sides installment. Enables its maximum range to achieve 4445 kilometers, this point with emphasizes the great range the SU-30MKK3 difference is not big. SU-30MKK3 retained SU-30MKK2 attacks the performance to the place, its maximum total weight achieved 38, 000 kilograms, caused Soviet -30MKK3 the biggest limit bomb-carrying capacity to create the recording achieve 12, 000 kilograms, this also is in the present world takes the initiative in the fighter plane, load biggest, not only surpassed �¬ÃÅ fellow apprentices Soviet -30MKI (8, 000 kilograms) also surpassed United States military F-15E (11, 113 kilograms), even surpassed the Tu-16 medium range bomber aircraft. Most more importantly, the Soviet -30MKK permission in 38, under 000 kilograms limits weights takes off (full load is completely greasy condition)! But F-15k also does not show weakness, the maximum total weight increases to 39 tons from the E 36.7 tons, the useful load 10442 kilograms, greatest speed 2.5 Mach, the entire machines and tools has 15 precise guided weapon hangs the ball spot, the weapon hangs the quantity creates the F-15 series fighter plane, active duty F-15E were more than 6 hangs the ball spot. Has is more intrepid than E attacks the firepower to the place. The intrepid performance originates from the advanced engine, SU-30MKK3 uses possibly is Russia " the salute " the factory AL-31-F-M1 engine, is the AL-3C1f newest advanced version, its biggest thrust augmentation thrust force by 12, 500 kilograms increases to 13, 240 kilograms, use GE Corporation with F-15k F110 - the GE-129IPE engine maximum thrust difference are not big, and two all comes under bad situation, maintains the engine the stability. But the F-15k engine general overhaul time is longer than SU-30MKK3. In the above basic performance, the motor power, the range, the bomb-carrying capacity and so on, two masters both display splendidly, the difficult minute victory and defeat. Who is stronger, must look below decomposes. USA takes along it in the radar technology leading superiority, disposed one four generation of machine radars for three generation of machine F-15k, causes similarly used �à ¿ØÕó cSu-30MKK3, also to appear pales by comparison. The F-15k radar is has the active electronic scanning array (AESA) antenna APG-63 (V) 2/3, takes in the world first the AESA radar which performs duties on the fighter aircraft, approximately has 3600 receives and the launch unit, arranges approaches the square in one on the antenna frame. APG-63 (V) 2/3 may survey outside 90km the small cruise missile and " stealth airplane ", but on this distance the original F-15c radar only can discover the conventional size some people drive the fighter aircraft. Namely the F-15c original installation radar in the 90km place discovery goal, says regarding X wave band AESA new radar V2, mays then in 180km place to discover the similar goal. APG-63 (V) 2/3 radar merit also continued is increases the function distance and the resolution, more importantly it had simultaneously tracks the many goals the ability. Can simultaneously guide 8 AIM-120CC attacks 8 different goals. The performance is extremely terrorist. Compares F-15k terror APG-63 (V) 2/3 radar, the SU-30MKK3 equipment should be SOKOL " öÀ " the radar. Uses driving electronic scanning, (AESAA) above integrates in its antenna has approximately 1, 000 x wave cavity T / R module. The radar has 3 receivers, transmitter peak value 6KW, average power 1.5KW, has 16 operating frequencies, increases 37 decibels, to 5 square meters airborn targets directly search distances is 150 kilometers, gets down regards the distance 140 kilometers. β׷ the search distance separately is 60 kilometers (É�ÊÓ), 55 kilometers (next regards). To the bridge survey distance is 150 kilometers, to the tank colony's survey distance is 25 kilometers. To the destroyer survey distance is 300 kilometers. Its antenna diameter is 980 millimeters, may simultaneously precisely track 12 goals, simultaneously attacks 4-6 goal. Two kind of radars both use X wave band, but former (AESAA) has 3600 launches units on the antenna, but latter is 1000, in to small and stealth Ä¿±ê̽²â aspect, " öÀ " the type compared to APG-63 (V) 2/3 important duty, in with the multi- goals ½ÓÕ½ ability in, " öÀ " the type also is inferior to APG-63 (V) 2/3 except in the radar aspect, SU-30MKK3 and F-15k has besides the disparity, in surveys to the place, in tracing as well as the low-level penetration, the F-15k performance is also more prominent. The F-15k equipment also is the Luo river. The horse develops " the tiger eye " for the next generation of fighter plane the /AN/AAQ-13 sensor system, has in the world the most advanced navigation, the terrain follows, the goal aiming and ºì�âËÑË÷ and the track (IRST) the ability, the pilot can and ¶ñ�ÓÌìºò under the condition carries out the aerial mission in the day and night. This sensor system mainly includes the foresight ºì�âµ¼º½ hangs the cabin and one set of long-distance IRST system.Originally posted by sgFish:somebody translate for us...paiseh my chinese not good >.<
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The IRST system search scope and the radar is close, mainly searches the missile the quantity of heat which the outer covering produces in the flight process, uses in to make up the radar survey small goal the insufficiency. But SU-30MKK3 equips by the Ural optics machine shop development " ÓÎöÀ " (sapsan_E) the foresight infrared / photoelectricity / laser target designation hangs the cabin. Should hang the cabin internal installation television camera, the laser rangefinder and the goal ÕÕÃ÷Æ÷, laser facula equipment and so on position detector, target tracking unit, when the airplane makes the big evasion, still had the full ability guarantee the lock-on target in the field of view. May provide the fighter plane to the place / sea level goal search, the track and the fixed ability; Controls the precise guided weapon the launch; Auxiliary navigation and empty ¸¨Öú¸ú×Ù and so on. " ÓÎöÀ " although the performance is not vulgar, but the resistance heavy weather ability compares the Luo river. Horse " tiger eye " important duty. Moreover AN/AAQ-13 will provide the manual µØ�θú×Ù ability, evenly will reveal the infrared picture transmission to the cabin width field of vision, will enable the airplane to be allowed safely in 30 meters by 1100 kilometers / hour high speed defense penetration. (30 meters also that are actually high on one big tree, are lower than very many missiles are smallest Éä¸ß, radar very is also difficult to survey, the --------------F-15k low-altitude penetration capability too is really terrorist.) In the information, two all is loaded with the new wide band data chain, the real-time transmission, accepts other platforms the data information. Provides the aspect to the place firepower, SU-30MKK3 also must obviously fall behind and F-15k although two all provides is precisely guides the ammunition, but the F-15k embarkation is uses the GPS guidance the United States military complete set guided weapon, includes outside the JASSM defense area launches ammunition /JDAM outside the precise guided bomb /JSOW defense area guides the ammunition /AGM-142 precise attack shoots /AGM-130 precisely guides the missile. Hamm anti-radiation vehicle and so on. These ammunition are greatly many after the actual combat examine, uses the GPS guidance, the precision is extremely high, the launching mode is flexible, the very many ammunition have achieved the intellectualized degree. But the SU-30MKK3 ammunition still tradition, includes outside the Kh-59ME defense area the air-to-ground missile (AS-13 " big bolt ", firing distance 285 kilometers), Kh-29 television guidance air-to-ground missile and KAR-500, KAB-1500CKr guided bomb, Kh-31p anti-radiation vehicle and so on. Is not difficult to see F-15k the ammunition diversification, can cope with each kind of different goal, greatly uses the GPS guidance, is disturbed slightly, the Russia type ammunition uses the television / infrared guidance, the medicine is affected under the heavy weather. Certainly, in the counter- ship combat aspect, the SU-30MKK3 firepower is stronger than F-15k. Fighter bomber except bombing besides, also must have the air fight ability, this point, two also all is the strong point, who lets their initial prototype, is depends on air fight eating. Is known as has ultra strong mobile SU-30 develops in many times the armed force is defeated mobile slightly weak F-15, but this, the victory and defeat may not be certain, created F-15k turns the plate is is four generation of machine developments union hard helmet aiming systems (JHMCS), took in world one most advanced ×ø²Õ equipment, its conformity each kind of important aircraft-borne data, wears JHMCS the pilot could only need visually tracks, trivially decided the short-range goal, pressed down °´Å¦ launches AIM-9X mays then, played the electronic game is simpler than, compares says, the SU-30MKK3 helmet-mounted sight then the tradition, the function few very. were more In the electronic countermeasure, SU-30MKK3 equipment KH-3C1p has 200 kilometers firing distances and 3 time of speeds of sound, this is stronger than F-15k equipment " Hamm ", in the soft resistance aspect, two differences is not big. Compared with were such many, believes who everybody also could see strength stronger, Korea's F-15k benefits in the very great degree to USA develops the F-22 item the experience and the technology, was one section typical 3 generation of fuselages,4 generation of machine internal organs fighter aircrafts, but instead observed SU-30MKK3, although the radar and so on compared before was more advanced, but as a result of it in 4 generation of machine developments aspects, fell behind to USA, caused its airborne weapons system performance enemy not to use F-22 technology F-15k, was very big to its overall performance influence. Moreover is worth paying attention, the F-15k very many advanced technologies do the full confirmation on F-15E, is extremely reliable, this also was at that time F-15k competes in Korea in the sign defeats SU-35 the important reason. When the SU-30MKK3 arrival causes we has the more advanced airborne attack strength, we cuts may not arrogant general idea, because in ours side distant place, the link does not give a tongue-lashing group similarly ominous fierce primal chaos " hawk ".
NOTE: Article have numerous errors as I used Google Language Tool which is in BETA mode. Sorry for Errors.
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Thanks Pitot!
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I think Su-30MKK will eat the F-15K/S in an air dogfight!
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I wonder......but the SU-30 strikes me as a heavy aircraft......any chance the it can beat the F-15 in terms of vertical climb?
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i think F-15K will rip the Su-30MKK apart from inside of its stomachOriginally posted by zenden9:I think Su-30MKK will eat the F-15K/S in an air dogfight! -
Digested liao! How to rip open?Originally posted by sgFish:i think F-15K will rip the Su-30MKK apart from inside of its stomach -
Other than that in an aerial dogfight?Originally posted by SBS1908B:I wonder......but the SU-30 strikes me as a heavy aircraft......any chance the it can beat the F-15 in terms of vertical climb? -
The problem is with the JHMCS + AIM9X, the dogfight is the most unlikely job need the F15K to do.Originally posted by zenden9:Other than that in an aerial dogfight? -
If 1 to 1 based
I think F15K wins almost in all aspects.
However, You also have to think about the price difference between the 2 planes.
specially the Su30MK2 is almost half of the F15K price!
Su30Mk3 is just a concept plane still awaiting a buyer.
And in a real war, the roles of AWACS and ground based radar are also important factors need to be taken into account -
thanks for posting the interesting article.
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As it Su-30MKK don have something similiar? R-73E and HMS r also available for Su-30MKK...Originally posted by 38�Ž:The problem is with the JHMCS + AIM9X, the dogfight is the most unlikely job need the F15K to do. -
I agree, the edge over Russian's stuff is very limited. Su30MK2 is definitely justified for its price. its exchange rate with F15K is definitely far below 2:1, but the price is almost 2:1!Originally posted by zenden9:As it Su-30MKK don have something similiar? R-73E and HMS r also available for Su-30MKK...
Last year, those F15C with JHMCS + AIM9X attended the exercise in India also lost the combat to IAF's Su30K ( Note: NOT more advanced Su30MKI)
Some other factors play much bigger role in that exercise, because, those F15C without AESA and AWACS support.
What really counts is though 1 VS 1 , you are better, doesn't mean you will win in a grouped air combat with so many factors need to be considered.