Mighty Japan DF
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Okay, this topic got more digressed. How does them not having fought a war ever on its land in his years of history link to the geography not hampering them and the proposed change in constitution?Originally posted by Gun:Question u need to ask is why Japan is attempting change of constitutions at this time ? Why is there a need and the purpose ?
Using your same source from http://www.globalsecurity.org
There is an article that summarises where the pressure is coming from.
Just look where the money is going.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/budget.htm
How does each point conclusively lead to another? sgdiehard actually havent explain this point yet... -
Man, get a life.Originally posted by Gun:Even tried imagine oil embargo, SLOC blockage ?
But hell, why would any country wanna attack Japan in the 1st place in today's world ?
Like you mentioned earlier, for better porn shows and hippop music ?
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Sgdiehard's earlier post has described very clearly how this so-called "Self Defence" force can rapidly manifest into the shape end of a newly re-armed Japan by a stroke of constitution change.(Read "militarisation " )Originally posted by laurence82:Okay, this topic got more digressed. How does them not having fought a war ever on its land in his years of history link to the geography not hampering them and the proposed change in constitution?
How does each point conclusively lead to another? sgdiehard actually havent explain this point yet...
Let's face it. Japan hv the resource to rearm. However the political will is not there yet...but it is very clearly building up under the constant influence from right-wing elements within and without the administration. This change is also occuring in the interntional areana where Japan is fighting for a permenent seat in the UN security council.
So does that mean a non-pacifist constitution indicate birth of another Empire of the Rising Sun ? Well, just observe what is now to taught in Japanese elementary school on about their WWII conquest and deeds.
A rearmed & assertive Japan will have not only have huge impact on the regional, but to world in the coming decade, all because US still hopes to contain China via her so-called Asian allies.
My concern is some "allies" can bite back.
China had never declared war with US, Japan did. -
urm i dont think u answerd my qn, but nvm....Originally posted by Gun:Sgdiehard's earlier post has described very clearly how this so-called "Self Defence" force can rapidly manifest into the shape end of a newly re-armed Japan by a stroke of constitution change.(Read "militarisation " )
Let's face it. Japan hv the resource to rearm. However the political will is not there yet...but it is very clearly building up under the constant influence from right-wing elements within and without the administration. This change is also occuring in the interntional areana where Japan is fighting for a permenent seat in the UN security council.
So does that mean a non-pacifist constitution indicate birth of another Empire of the Rising Sun ? Well, just observe what is now to taught in Japanese elementary school on about their WWII conquest and deeds.
A rearmed & assertive Japan will have not only have huge impact on the regional, but to world in the coming decade, all because US still hopes to contain China via her so-called Asian allies.
My concern is some "allies" can bite back.
China had never declared war with US, Japan did.
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Originally posted by tvdog:
Man, get a life.
I think mine is getting along just fine.
How's yours ? All porn and pop queens ?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
sounds challenging
[b]Japan
Defense Forece first in 7 areas
Reported in a Japanese magazines and reported in PRC press.
1.Counter mines measures
2.counter sub with quantity of P3C only second to US
3.The effectiveness of 16 non nuke sub are hugh
4.F2 fighters is better than F16
5.high tech,eg type 88 missiles can hit 100km away 100%
6.High maintenance capabaility of air force.eg F15 is 90%,higher than US.
7.high quality and education of 200000 strong JDF
Japan F2
As reported in today 01.11.2005 ZAO BAO,some 70,000 of 800,000 of peoples living in Spore during Japanese occupation were believed killed by Japanese.
What can we say.respect for her self defense or......
more JDF news[/b] -
Originally posted by laurence82:
u "don't think" or u aren't sure how to followup ?
urm i dont think u answerd my qn, but nvm....
I am kinda suprised that you didn't think thru and replied within 2 mins to reading ?
Let's make this simpler: Do you support Japanese re-militarisation via change of her constitution of 6 decades ? -
its not the constitution i have been harpingOriginally posted by Gun:u "don't think" or u aren't sure how to followup ?
I am kinda suprised that you didn't think thru and replied within 2 mins to reading ?
Let's make this simpler: Do you support Japanese re-militarisation via change of her constitution of 6 decades ?
u have to look at my earlier posts
the very first question was
what has the fact that japan has never been invaded before, got to do with the fact her geography will never hamper the japanese troops?
and sgdiehard replied me with quite sum bit of consitution part which i have never harp on
therefore, what the first question then also, got to do with the frigging constitution?
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Allow me the re-phrase your query:Originally posted by laurence82:its not the constitution i have been harping
what has the fact that japan has never been invaded before, got to do with the fact her geography will never hamper the japanese troops?
Japan lacks the ability to post militarly threaten becoz:
A) Geographical isolation, island based territories and seperation from Asian continent.
B)Does not hv large force projection force (a/c carriers, bluewater fleets, long range bombers etc) hence no military threat for invasion ability.
So why worry ? Is that it ? -
YeapOriginally posted by Gun:Allow me the re-phrase your query:
Japan lacks the ability to post militarly threaten becoz:
A) Geographical isolation, island based territories and seperation from Asian continent.
B)Does not hv large force projection force (a/c carriers, bluewater fleets, long range bombers etc) hence no military threat for invasion ability.
So why worry ? Is that it ?
But something more in A
Japan has never been invaded before. Most faiilures are due to weather (the Mongolian invasion) or political reason (US has never occupied Japan wholly)
So how does these, if i may see from sgdiehard post, lead him to think Japan's geography would not hamper her force mobility? -
Sigh, Enough for ur much ado ...
To bring Japs knee down, why necessary to attack their main islands?
Cut off their supply line will do the most of the jobs
That means a naval blockage will be a fatal blow to a country that relies so much on the external supply and trade.
Now you may understand why US have to protect Taiwan by all means from taken by China.
ItÂ’s not because how important the Taiwan itself, but the strategy location of Taiwan, it overlooks the water way where JapanÂ’s 80% trade and supply by passed.
If Taiwan returns to China, China will effectively catch the JapanÂ’s throat by controlling the water way.
And then, who is going to risk so many lives and firepower to occupy the Japan main island when the ransom can be easily collected from the big treasury. -
Well, there are many ways to skin a cat isnt it?Originally posted by 38�Ž:Sigh, Enough for ur much ado ...
To bring Japs knee down, why necessary to attack their main islands?
Cut off their supply line will do the most of the jobs
That means a naval blockage will be a fatal blow to a country that relies so much on the external supply and trade.
Now you may understand why US have to protect Taiwan by all means from taken by China.
ItÂ’s not because how important the Taiwan itself, but the strategy location of Taiwan, it overlooks the water way where JapanÂ’s 80% trade and supply by passed.
If Taiwan returns to China, China will effectively catch the JapanÂ’s throat by controlling the water way.
And then, who is going to risk so many lives and firepower to occupy the Japan main island when the ransom can be easily collected from the big treasury. -
Which one is the best is obvious, isn't it?Originally posted by laurence82:Well, there are many ways to skin a cat isnt it?
My point is , stop useless argument when in reality nobody is going to practice it. -
Dont knowOriginally posted by 38�Ž:Which one is the best is obvious, isn't it?
My point is , stop useless argument when in reality nobody is going to practice it.
Like i said, there are many ways to skin a cat..i dont know what is 'best' and what is 'worst' -
Ok, just anwer this simple Q:Originally posted by laurence82:Dont know
Like i said, there are many ways to skin a cat..i dont know what is 'best' and what is 'worst'
Invade Japan easier or carry on a naval blockage of Japan's water way easier? -
I believe more in murphy lawOriginally posted by 38�Ž:Ok, just anwer this simple Q:
Invade Japan easier or carry on a naval blockage of Japan's water way easier?
whatever can fail, will fail
What if someone can carry out an invasion better than a naval blockage? -
Except US, no one can complete the invasionOriginally posted by laurence82:I believe more in murphy law
whatever can fail, will fail
What if someone can carry out an invasion better than a naval blockage?
However, if Taiwan returns to China, and PLA moves their missiles, airbase navy bases etc to the island, PLA can easily do a neat naval blokage job -
Originally posted by laurence82:
Actually, sgdiehard did concure that Japan's geographical layout does not provide a good operational hinderland from the military perspective.
So how does these, if i may see from sgdiehard post, lead him to think Japan's geography would not hamper her force mobility?
However, he also pointed out that other attributes that can nullify this "geographical" limitation.
Before any country display her intention to invade or control another, the offensive party will probe the most effecive means to project political influence within the intended target, be it using ca$h or pappet political entities.
This is to create beach heads in the most favourable condition to exert control.
Classics cases like 1930's Manchuria , Korea and Taiwan prior to WWII.
War is only declared after Pearl Harbor attack eventhough Japanese has already occupied much of China's coastal cities since invasion began in 1937.
IMO, when a country is out to seek mineral resource and territorial domination, it will be a long drawn out strategic manuvers that may last for decades before the on set of an all out war.
OR You can either buy or lie your way into another countries' corrupt regimes or simply trigger internal unrest or make lousy excuses to start quick war and a decisive victory.
Most modern military invasions, in fact, were started using lousy pretext like the Marco Polo Bridge incident, Nazi German's famous fake "dead Polish soldier" or US's alleged Iraq's WMD. All these are self-staged pretext by the invaders for their ultimate intentions.
So the big question is will Japan become aggressor again ?
We will never know until the day comes.
Like sgdiehard had mentioned earlier =>
"Japan's ability to build its armed forces is limited by the constitutions, not by its technological or financial capabilities."
If Japan can recover within a decade after her WW defeat without oil resouces and under foreign control, what makes u think her military will be "humped" by that same geological limitation ?
So you wanna wait or wish Japan is still "humped" ? -
Does China at the moment have this capability to impose a naval blockage?Originally posted by 38�Ž:Except US, no one can complete the invasion
However, if Taiwan returns to China, and PLA moves their missiles, airbase navy bases etc to the island, PLA can easily do a neat naval blokage job -
Japan is a chain of islands. Not easy to blockade.Originally posted by laurence82:Does China at the moment have this capability to impose a naval blockage?
Furthermore, a blockade to be effective needs months. The US Pacific fleet can reach Japan in a matter of... days? And the US pacific fleet with its carriers is probably more powerful than the whole PLAN. -
I think Korea and China shld not have to fear Japan as they have strong military. But I don't think ASEAN is able to defend itself against Japan. This is true once Japan equips it's DDH aka mini aircarft carriers with F35. Once they have such projection force, anything goes.Originally posted by Gun:
Most modern military invasions, in fact, were started using lousy pretext like the Marco Polo Bridge incident, Nazi German's famous fake "dead Polish soldier" or US's alleged Iraq's WMD. All these are self-staged pretext by the invaders for their ultimate intentions.
So the big question is will Japan become aggressor again ?
We will never know until the day comes. -
betweenOriginally posted by tvdog:Japan is a chain of islands. Not easy to blockade.
Furthermore, a blockade to be effective needs months. The US Pacific fleet can reach Japan in a matter of... days? And the US pacific fleet with its carriers is probably more powerful than the whole PLAN.
1. blockading 1st before attacking
and
2. attacking without blockading,
which is more strategic? -
One more thing, I don't trust Japan not juz simply becoz they whitewashed their history. But look at their so called "helicopter destroyer":
Japan always have the ambition to possess an aircraft carrier but is limited by it's constitution. Now, they have bypassed their constitution to build two and blatently called it "helicopter destroyer". What other lies are they going to tell?
Why do Japan need an aircraft carrier? The OZ had given up their a/c and even China does not have one. -
this one they're planning to use for korean annexation some time next JulyOriginally posted by 84mmrr:One more thing, I don't trust Japan not juz simply becoz they whitewashed their history. But look at their so called "helicopter destroyer":
Japan always have the ambition to possess an aircraft carrier but is limited by it's constitution. Now, they have bypassed their constitution to build two and blatently called it "helicopter destroyer". What other lies are they going to tell?
Why do Japan need an aircraft carrier? The OZ had given up their a/c and even China does not have one. -
Originally posted by 84mmrr:
I think we should be more concern about global terrorism for the years to come. This is the clear and present danger.
I think Korea and China shld not have to fear Japan as they have strong military. But I don't think ASEAN is able to defend itself against Japan. This is true once Japan equips it's DDH aka mini aircarft carriers with F35. Once they have such projection force, anything goes.
We will never know when a 747 slams into CBD district or bombs going off on SBS buses or MRT during peak hrs.
We can only prepare for the worst.