Mighty Japan DF
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Japan
Defense Forece first in 7 areas
Reported in a Japanese magazines and reported in PRC press.
1.Counter mines measures
2.counter sub with quantity of P3C only second to US
3.The effectiveness of 16 non nuke sub are hugh
4.F2 fighters is better than F16
5.high tech,eg type 88 missiles can hit 100km away 100%
6.High maintenance capabaility of air force.eg F15 is 90%,higher than US.
7.high quality and education of 200000 strong JDF
Japan F2
As reported in today 01.11.2005 ZAO BAO,some 70,000 of 800,000 of peoples living in Spore during Japanese occupation were believed killed by Japanese.
What can we say.respect for her self defense or......
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well..all i have to say is that people should quit harping about the past if all it does is sow pointless discord among nations eg. China and Japan...
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People harp about the past cos Japan wun admit fully to their past....
If somebody killed your parents, but they dun apologise fully or with their actions, show remorse.....will you get angry and harp about it? -
not this topic again.Originally posted by dotaro:People harp about the past cos Japan wun admit fully to their past....
If somebody killed your parents, but they dun apologise fully or with their actions, show remorse.....will you get angry and harp about it?
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This is quite a stupid thing to say
How can compare Japan 60 years ago and now?
Besides, Japan might have a great self defence force
but its hampered by the sheer geography of its land
Another point is, Japan inability to build a great projection force has been highlighted quite often in the papers.. -
they are going to stop buying F-2 cos is too expensive.....
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whatever they buy only the arms manufacturers, mainly americans, will be happy.
its silly. if china attacks there is nothing japan can do to stop it. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
1).F-2 design, while pretty ambitious, has its share of faults that made the aircraft unreliable, thus the heavy slashing of acquisition units. The JPG-1 AESA, especially, is a disappointment with faults that are still not corrected. The radar negating effect was never really solved, as was the faulty range due to software troubles. Currently, F-2's air-to-air tracking range against fighter-sized targets are rumored to be as low as 40km.
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Reported in a Japanese magazines and reported in PRC press.
4.F2 fighters is better than F16
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2). F-2 price is almost 6 times more expensive than F16C
3). The airframe of the Japanese F2 got flaws that make the fighter tremble when it flies at high speed with 4 Anti-ship missiles under wings
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The japanese has no fear for their national sovereinty come from any invading enemies, but the fear of being wiped off the surface of earth from the eruption of the 4 volcanos and earthquakes. That has not changed since 100 yrs ago, but is it changing?Originally posted by laurence82:This is quite a stupid thing to say
How can compare Japan 60 years ago and now?
Besides, Japan might have a great self defence force
but its hampered by the sheer geography of its land
Another point is, Japan inability to build a great projection force has been highlighted quite often in the papers..
The geography of its land will never hampered the JDF for they never fought a battle on its land.
Japan's ability to build its armed forces is limited by the constitutions, not by its technological or financial capabilities.
Technologies will take yrs to built and financial capabilities take time to accumulate, but constitutions can be changed within a short period of time. Japan already has the technologies and money to build a projection force, what is necessary is a change of constitutions. They already changed the name of JDF to Japan Defence Army, Japan Defence Air Force and Japan Defence Navy. Whats next? -
so, according to your logic, a murderer's children will have to pay for the crimes of their father ?Originally posted by dotaro:People harp about the past cos Japan wun admit fully to their past....
If somebody killed your parents, but they dun apologise fully or with their actions, show remorse.....will you get angry and harp about it?
it's been 60 years .... the only reason the politicians of some countries are still harping about it now is because it's a fantastic domestic political tool, be it south korea or china etc ... China's anti japanese rhetoric were ramped up a few notches because of rising political discontent at home, and it's increasing competition with japan for resources around the world (go read about oil and gas drilling in the north china sea )
recall back to the SARS period, what's the name of the main hospital in Beijing designated as the main SARS hospital ? ... remember the Sino-Japanese Friendship hospital ? ... built with japanese money ? .... double standards ? ... what of the billions in developmental aid Japan pumped into China in the past two decades ? .... what of the warm and fuzzy relationship that existed between both goverments and both countries' public before ? ...
The chinese public, and some chinese friends agree with me on this, in this case is being used as a political pawn in a greater power play, ditto the japanese, though i still sense strong pro chinese sentiments among the japanese students here, you'd be surprised at how many are learning mandarin, instead of say French or Spanish.
I'm not saying that we should forget history's lessons, but we should see things from a balanced perspective, from a present day context, not swallow any drivel and rhetoric that's the prevailing fashion right now ... we should not believe everything we read in the textbook eh ... -
This is an old argument but many are still pretty muddled up on some fundamentals.Originally posted by Fatum:so, according to your logic, a murderer's children will have to pay for the crimes of their father ?
it's been 60 years .... the only reason the politicians of some countries are still harping about it now is because it's a fantastic domestic political tool, be it south korea or china etc ... China's anti japanese rhetoric were ramped up a few notches because of rising political discontent at home, and it's increasing competition with japan for resources around the world (go read about oil and gas drilling in the north china sea )
recall back to the SARS period, what's the name of the main hospital in Beijing designated as the main SARS hospital ? ... remember the Sino-Japanese Friendship hospital ? ... built with japanese money ? .... double standards ? ... what of the billions in developmental aid Japan pumped into China in the past two decades ? .... what of the warm and fuzzy relationship that existed between both goverments and both countries' public before ? ...
The chinese public, and some chinese friends agree with me on this, in this case is being used as a political pawn in a greater power play, ditto the japanese, though i still sense strong pro chinese sentiments among the japanese students here, you'd be surprised at how many are learning mandarin, instead of say French or Spanish.
I'm not saying that we should forget history's lessons, but we should see things from a balanced perspective, from a present day context, not swallow any drivel and rhetoric that's the prevailing fashion right now ... we should not believe everything we read in the textbook eh ...
1) A murder's son does not have to pay for his father's crime; but if he worship his father for the crime he committed, it is a different message to the victims.
2) There is no denial that there are some domestic politics involved, but that is not "the only reason" for the tension between china/korea and japan!! Between neighboring countries there will always be territorial disputes, competition for resources,...etc., they don't need the WW2 history to start them or complicate them. The facts remain that Japan need to learn from the German, admit its atrocities in WW2 and put this behind.
3) China and Korea did not sell their national pride for money! " the warm and fuzzy relationship that existed between both goverments and both countries' public" did not come as a compromise to the historical facts, does it? You can' t buy everything with money.
4) Many Japanese outside of Japan know the truths, but not those in Japan. And you should tell your japanese friends not to believe in their history textbooks for they contain distorted facts of history.
Agree, "we should not forget history's lessons, and we should see things from a balanced perspective", but first, you should know the history, or how do you forget?? What is a present day context? a new intepretation or lessons learnt? -
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good points bro ....Originally posted by sgdiehard:This is an old argument but many are still pretty muddled up on some fundamentals.
1) A murder's son does not have to pay for his father's crime; but if he worship his father for the crime he committed, it is a different message to the victims.
2) There is no denial that there are some domestic politics involved, but that is not "the only reason" for the tension between china/korea and japan!! Between neighboring countries there will always be territorial disputes, competition for resources,...etc., they don't need the WW2 history to start them or complicate them. The facts remain that Japan need to learn from the German, admit its atrocities in WW2 and put this behind.
3) China and Korea did not sell their national pride for money! " the warm and fuzzy relationship that existed between both goverments and both countries' public" did not come as a compromise to the historical facts, does it? You can' t buy everything with money.
4) Many Japanese outside of Japan know the truths, but not those in Japan. And you should tell your japanese friends not to believe in their history textbooks for they contain distorted facts of history.
Agree, "we should not forget history's lessons, and we should see things from a balanced perspective", but first, you should know the history, or how do you forget?? What is a present day context? a new intepretation or lessons learnt?
i don't deny the validity of these arguments, but the sad fact is that chauvinists on all sides are distorting history for their own ends, all asian societies have a surfeit of pride, that is probably our greatest weakness ... i suppose no asian society, japanese or otherwise, will ever allow such historical baggage to be foisted onto it's psyche.
I never said that money can buy pride, or even forgiveness, but I was trying to illustrate the point that relations between both countries were at a different plane not so long ago ... and it was, i find it ironic that just a short while ago, japanese cultural imports (animie, TV serials, artistes, etc) were so widely popular in china (and korean ones in Japan right now) ...
And the funny thing is, many japanese DO know the truth ... in this internet age, you suppose something like the nanjing massacare or atrocities in south-east asia can still be insulated from japanese school children by distorting a few school textbooks ? ...
I grew up listening to my granny's stories of the japanese occupation (she lost her only brother during the infamous sook ching operation), and i my "enemies" when i was a little chap carrying a plastic rifle were always the japanese, but that was just juvenile ignorance now, It is important that we all look at history objectively, but of course, the unfortunate reality is that our perspectives would always be coloured by the lenses of our world view ..... I can only hope that the leaders on any side would be cool and rational enough to know better ... -
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Very simple opinion:
Logically, the Japanese should be wiped off the surface of the earth (by the Chinese, of course) for what they did.
But...
1. If that happens, who's gonna make good, affordable digital cameras?
2. Their women are too pretty.
3. Jap porn, nothing can replace.
4. Good pop and hip hop music.
5. Nice clothes
The list goes on... So let bygones be bygones for now.
China is now the king of Asia. But China completely got no class - complete countryboys. If Japan is gone, Asia will be a less "cool" part of the world. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Next name revamp may include:
They already changed the name of JDF to Japan Defence Army, Japan Defence Air Force and Japan Defence Navy. Whats next?
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Welcome back Yamato Damashi ! Banzai !
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Originally posted by tvdog:Very simple opinion:
I showed your "options" to my associates and they concluded u were right.
All these accounts are in deed made by a Simpleton.
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You and your associates are what? Students at some Special school or something?Originally posted by Gun:
I showed your "options" to my associates and they concluded u were right.
All these accounts are in deed made by a Simpleton.
Sorry I forgot to add a to help "clever" people like you understand that I wasn't being serious. 
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Nope, not at least what i read on globalsecurityOriginally posted by sgdiehard:The japanese has no fear for their national sovereinty come from any invading enemies, but the fear of being wiped off the surface of earth from the eruption of the 4 volcanos and earthquakes. That has not changed since 100 yrs ago, but is it changing?
The geography of its land will never hampered the JDF for they never fought a battle on its land.
Japan's ability to build its armed forces is limited by the constitutions, not by its technological or financial capabilities.
Technologies will take yrs to built and financial capabilities take time to accumulate, but constitutions can be changed within a short period of time. Japan already has the technologies and money to build a projection force, what is necessary is a change of constitutions. They already changed the name of JDF to Japan Defence Army, Japan Defence Air Force and Japan Defence Navy. Whats next?
The stretch of islands means they are more hampered in deploying their airfoce and navy to fight off the first wave of invasion ,which has to come by sea or air. When enemies landed, land troops need naval or air transport to deploy them across islands. One of the strategies is to wait and hold till reinforcements from the US arrives.
And i dont understand one thing, whats the link between them not having fought a war before on its land and the geography cannot possibly hampers the deployability of their armed forces? -
Invading an island nation like Japan will not be easy. It would be more like D-Day or better yet, reference the battle of Okinawa.
Big budget stuff: full naval and amphibious force with massive air cover. And worst of all, very heavy casualty for the invading force.
There are many slightly different casualty figures you can find on the net for Okinawa, but they are all very high:
"US: 15,900 killed, 38,000 wounded + 26,000 non combat wounded , 763 planes shot down. JAPAN: 107,000+ soldiers killed, 10,755 surrendered/captured, 100,000+ civilians killed"
"The ferocious hand to hand fighting on Okinawa resulted in 12,281 Americans and 110,000 Japanese killed by June 21, 1945. The suicidal dedication of the Japanese defenders indicated an invasion of Japan itself would be costly, with estimates of at least 500,000 potential Allied casualties."
"Total American battle casualties were 49,151, of which 12,520 were killed or missing and 36,631 wounded... The cost of the battle to the Japanese was even higher than to the Americans. Approximately 110,000 of the enemy lost their lives in the attempt to hold "
This is just Okinawa. There was a whole range of other islands the US had to take before Okinawa in WW2. Names like Leyte, Tarawa, Iwo Jima etc.
For US Marines and US Army troops in the Pacific, if they survived one island, they probably get to join in the fight for the next island. Whoopee.
One figure quoted 500,000 casualty if the mainland of Japan was invaded. This was WW2 and a very weak Japan in 1945.
So if someone were to mount an attack on Japan today, with today's modern weaponry involved, the casualty figure would number above a million surely.
China would be able to absorb a million in human casualties but it would not be able to absorb the loss in warships and combat aircraft. After such a huge amphibious undertaking, China would be very weak. -
Originally posted by tvdog:
Is this an honest question or made with jest with missing "
You and your associates are what? Students at some Special school or something?" again ?Originally posted by tvdog:
Comments made by Simpletons are hardly ever taken seriously. So do you wanna be taken... Seriously ?
Sorry I forgot to add a to help "clever" people like you understand that I wasn't being seriously.
Allow me to borrow one your simpleton-based assertion made earlier ( minus that "" )Originally posted by tvdog:
1st: The word "wiped off" of a community is akin to act of Genocide. I assumed you know such ugly word will not sound any more humorous by simply adding a "
Logically, the Japanese should be wiped off the surface of the earth (by the Chinese, of course) for what they did." in your comment.
2nd: Genocide has occured before and considered a sin in humanity.
3rd: Genocide has never been part of Chinese history.
Your adoration of Japanese 'good porn', 'great pop music' & 'nice clothes' implies that these factors makes a great country ? In your context izzit ? Simpleton idealism or a Joker in the making is?
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You are right! invasion has to come by sea or air, and who in the world now has the capability to lauch sea and air on Japan?? probably not even america.Originally posted by laurence82:Nope, not at least what i read on globalsecurity
The stretch of islands means they are more hampered in deploying their airfoce and navy to fight off the first wave of invasion ,which has to come by sea or air. When enemies landed, land troops need naval or air transport to deploy them across islands. One of the strategies is to wait and hold till reinforcements from the US arrives.
and what is there to gain by occupying japan? oil?
china knows it well, territorial ambition to occupy japan is a waste of time, it is nuts considering the possible costs, and they are not even sure if taking taiwan would be possible.
why do ppl think there is a threat that china could invade japan? japanese domestic politics? the hawks justifying more money for weapons?
why should JAF worry about the geography of japan or about the deployability when they only fight wars of invasion?Originally posted by laurence82:And i dont understand one thing, whats the link between them not having fought a war before on its land and the geography cannot possibly hampers the deployability of their armed forces?
hmm....does the tiny little red dot hamper SAF? -
Originally posted by tvdog:
What an ingenious commentary !
Invading an island nation like Japan will not be easy. It would be more like D-Day or better yet, reference the battle of Okinawa.One figure quoted 500,000 casualty if the mainland of Japan was invaded. This was WW2 and a very weak Japan in 1945.
I am impressed ! The wow factor is there !
You a nobel prize winning wannabe ?
I assumed those 2 nuke bombs were put to good use in ending Tokyo's suicidal stubbornness then.So if someone were to mount an attack on Japan today, with today's modern weaponry involved, the casualty figure would number above a million surely.
Even tried imagine oil embargo, SLOC blockage ?
But hell, why would any country wanna attack Japan in the 1st place in today's world ?
Like you mentioned earlier, for better porn shows and hippop music ?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Question u need to ask is why Japan is attempting change of constitutions at this time ? Why is there a need and the purpose ?
And i dont understand one thing, whats the link between them not having fought a war before on its land and the geography cannot possibly hampers the deployability of their armed forces?
Using your same source from http://www.globalsecurity.org
There is an article that summarises where the pressure is coming from.
Just look where the money is going.
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well, wars in the past are not fought for territorial possessions alone u noeOriginally posted by sgdiehard:why should JAF worry about the geography of japan or about the deployability when they only fight wars of invasion?
hmm....does the tiny little red dot hamper SAF?
of coz deployability is very important
geez, if the the enemies forced a southward invasions, i got to make sure my airplanes and naval ships are deployed in the area already right? notice the japan isles like indonesia is spread out, not closeted...
and if they managed to land, i got to transfer my land hardware from one island to another right? its the sea which has has become a barrier to them, making them heavily relying on air and naval transport to transfer hardware to the area of action
how to compare to a frigging small singapore island where u can travel from jurong to pasir ris in one hr?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/jgsdf.htm
this could give you a rough picture of what i am talking abt...