SAF's new 155mm gun
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Good qsns you raised there...was thinking exactly the same thoughts as you...Originally posted by kurios55:I think the question about how they are supposed to be used in conjunction with a RDF would be predicated on a few factors,
1. How much ammo do they carry with them in battle?
2. How long does it take from the time it is "dropped" from the helo to the 1st round out?
3. How long does it take to redeploy either via their own SP or via helo again?
I personally dun think that they will be used in a sustained fashion but more of a punch when firepower is really needed.
For qsn 1, there should be a standard loadout that they'll be carrying...again, this is limited by the load-bearing capability of the Chinook after the LWSPH is underslung. The helo has to still be able to fly with a reasonable level of manueverability, in which case the ammo loadout will be lesser than that of the conventional FHs...
To add on to Qsn 2, terrain will be a factor when landing the LWSPH...plus, the gunners have to manoeuvre the gun into position, align the gun with the director, plant aiming poles (dun think its the GPS system on this one like the Primus, but I may be wrong)...food for thought, isn't it?
Ahhh....qsn 3 is the winning $64 million dollar qsn...lol -
U should have known how the design process was sia...Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:What an upleasant looking design. Seeing it around in khatib camp makes me wonder. Cant DSTA put it the extra effort / Time designing a nice chassis for this pounder.
It does kinda help in any possible export.
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I hope it can attract overseas sales...
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New gun - nice name.
This new gun will be in direct competition with the new M777 Ultra lightweight howitzers. Similar concepts, barrel looks similar, but the M777 does not use an APU.
Maybe the Australians would be interested. -
i wonder if they have buyers for such inventions?
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Its also called Project Rubik when it haven't been commisioned.
Trained on maintainence of this gun already for past 9 months... -
u all can see it @ 23SA when u bypass the road to khatib.
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Its frame is entirely made of titanium btw...
Ye should see it before it was painted olive drab...
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Originally posted by Moonstriker:Its also called Project Rubik when it haven't been commisioned.
Trained on maintainence of this gun already for past 9 months... Not surprised how the design turned out. -
pl take note
the features:
3.Spec:
The Pegasus is the world's first heli-portable 155mm howitzer with a self-propelled capability
Ammunition Loading System (ALS)
Powered by the APU, the ALS automatically loads ammunition to reduce crew fatigue. This allows the gun crew to operate the Pegasus for a longer period while maintaining a burst rate of 3 rounds in 24 seconds.
Ease of Deployment
As a complex system that needs to be readily deployed for mobility, firing and heli-lifting, the Pegasus is easy to configure without any lifting support in the field. Through a simple seesaw action that shifts the gun's centre of gravity to suit the different missions, the Pegasus can be rapidly engaged for deployment in less than 2.5 minutes with a detachment of 8 men.
Lightweight Materials
The Pegasus employs lightweight materials like titanium and high alloy aluminium that provides the strength and stability required to withstand the recoil force of a 155mm system.
Innovative Recoil Management
The recoil of the Pegasus is a third lower than conventional 155mm howitzers. This is achieved through innovative recoil management design.
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What is wrong with the design?Sg military products generally looks nice.
SAR 21,future SSW...etc.
Technical & Performance Specifications
Weighing 5.4 tons, 39-calibre howitzer,155 mm shells
Range
Maximum Range:19 km (Conventional); 30 km (Extended Range)
Rate of Fire
Burst Rate:3 rounds in 24 seconds
Maximum Rate:4 rounds per minute for 3 minutes
Sustain Rate:2 rounds per minute for 30 minutes
Manpower
No. of crew:6 - 8
Mobility
Self-Propelled:12 km/h (maximum)
Towed (Cross-country):50 km/h (maximum)
Towed (Paved):70 km/h (maximum)
Towing Vehicle Type:5 ton; 7 ton
Engine:.21kW Lombardini 9LD625-2
Air Transportability
Fixed Wing C130
Rotary Wing CH-47D/SD
4.A very light artillery
A car weight 1500-- 2200 kg. Kow tow to all parties involved to produce
a weapons so unbelieveable light --5400 kg,but tough. -
counter-battery radar n counter-battery fire makes artillery a highly ineffective application in modern warfare. Based on the incoming track plots, a modern counter-battery radar can easily pin point the artillery battery's location in a matter of minutes, hence nullifying even the tatics of firing and moving.Originally posted by OH-FF:Long range ballistics are proven to be very effective in modern warfare.
least of casualties to home side if they can get the coordinates of the enemy's location by probe or survellience -
funny. the British thought the same once, a long time ago. They paid for that by losing singapore.Originally posted by nightzip:because in times of war, we dun actually need infantry, navy personnels...
what we need is to beef up the long and mid-range missles and guns so that we can fire far away.....to attack. -
You are not from arty are you? I consider counter-battery fire as the biggest problem with towed artillery (although those with APUs can offset some of the problems) in regards to displacement.Originally posted by Tango1:Hmm...nice gadget...pretty handy for our 21st Div. The issue that MINDEF didn't go into full detail about was the timing of getting the gun into action. Not as in getting the first shot out, but in camouflaging the gun, i.e. the "action front" timing. To add to that, how long does it take to "cease fire" the gun and have it ready for airlift - crew, equiment and ammo included?
The only good thing about this gun is the mobility and weight. However, once it is deployed on the ground, it still requires a 5 or 7 ton to tow it away, or a Chinook to airlift it, since its SP status is quite limited. It is not exactly self-contained either; it still relies on an external source to deliver its ammo.
Other than that...I must admit that this gun increases the combat power of our RDF. -
Eh, ChineseJunk har, i can post this article here rite, no sue rite?
Straits Times
Singapore gun a world first
David Boey , Defence Correspondent
Lightweight howitzer can be flown or driven into battle
SINGAPORE defence engineers have scored a world first with a lightweight 155mm howitzer which can be flown into battle by helicopter and driven to where it's needed using an engine mounted on the gun.
The Pegasus signals a new, more effective means of supporting the SAF heli-borne infantry, as the big gun can follow these troops into combat to blast enemy positions up to 30km away, said the Singapore Army's Chief of Artillery, Colonel Lim Chin.
The gun has been been in development since 1994 by the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA), the national authority on weapons procurements, by Singapore Technologies Kinetics, a weapons maker, and the SAF.
'We started a worldwide search for a heli-portable 155mm gun in 1994 and explored collaborating with a few partners,' said Mr Kenneth Quek, the DSTA project manager who helped design Pegasus. 'But nothing in existence or under development met our requirements.'
He said the joint project team finalised the gun's design last year, after extensive trials during which about 4,000 rounds were fired.
Many types of guns can fire shells 155mm in diameter. But fewer than a dozen are light enough to be transported by heavy-lifting helicopters, such as the CH-47 Chinook.
Pegasus beats them all as far as mobility is concerned because its gunners can drive the weapon to where it's needed after it is dropped by helicopter, rather than wait for a truck to be flown in to tow the gun around.
Pegasus has the same maximum range as the FH-88 heavy artillery gun, but at 5.4 tons, it is about 60 per cent lighter than the Singapore-made FH-88s.
Pegasus has almost twice the range of the older French-made LG1 105mm light gun which it will replace.
The new gun was unveiled yesterday.
The introduction of the Pegasus means all Singapore Artillery guns will use the same 155mm ammunition, making it easier to resupply artillery battalions during combat.
Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean unveiled the weapon by spray-painting the number-plate '5801' on the first Pegasus.
Mr Teo said: 'This weapon... can bring heavy firepower into the field and support the troops more quickly.
'It's got its own power unit, which gives it self-mobility in the field - something that other lightweight howitzers of this class do not have.'
Mr Christopher Foss, editor of the authoritative Jane's Armour & Artillery yearbook, believes a weapon like Pegasus will interest other armies, especially those with rapid deployment forces.
The first Pegasus guns have been added to the arsenal of the 23rd Battalion Singapore Artillery.
Full-time national service gunners in the battalion are being trained to operate the weapon. They are due to conduct their first live-firing using Pegasus during Exercise Thunder Warrior, to be conducted in New Zealand in January. -
Mebbe we can invent a 8-10 round magazine fed artillery.Which works similar to a semi-auto handgun.So as to reduce the number of crew needed to serve a weapon and increase fire rate.
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I wish to see how it fares in actual unit usage
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Hahaha!Originally posted by dragonstar:You are not from arty are you? I consider counter-battery fire as the biggest problem with towed artillery (although those with APUs can offset some of the problems) in regards to displacement. I was attached to arty units before; and my good fren was from arty...that's where I picked up some knowledge about them. You mentioned a good point - displacement time. I do agree that the APU may offset counter-battery fire to some extent...but how long does it take for a LWSPH gun crew to prepare for displacement? As compared to the Primus? It will still be slower...and we have to take terrain into consideration as well...the LWSPH can negotiate flat terrain like wat we saw in the training video, but wat if the deployment ground isn't as ideal?
Second factor..even if the gunners manage to displace in time, wat about the ammo and other supplies? This goes back to the issue of self-containment vs. self-propelled....a gun can be self-propelled, but not necessarily self-contained. On the other hand, a self-contained gun is usually self-propelled...
Dun get me wrong...I think the LWSPH is a good concept...but we have to be mindful of the tactical and strategic difficulties (to name a few..logistics come into play too) involved. Its like the classic problem of employing paratroopers...highly mobile, but nothing more than mere light infantry the moment they land. -
What about the cost? Isnt using titanium expensive?
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some new info from ZAO BAOZAO BAO 29.10.2005.
1.Pegasus shift center of gravity by see saw principal.What is it?
2. 23SA will be full operational capacity in one year and equipped with 18 Pegasus then.
3.All shell of SA will be 155mm after French 105mm replaced.
4.It is also called Camel for its interesting shape.
5.About 4000 shells have been fired in the past 3 years.21 times were fired here,7 times in S Afraica,in extreme weather of minus 40 C. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Seems like MINDEF trying to see what the reactions of the neighbours and other defence industries are...Release limited info
[b]some new info from ZAO BAOZAO BAO 29.10.2005.
1.Pegasus shift center of gravity by see saw principal.What is it?
2. 23SA will be full operational capacity in one year and equipped with 18 Pegasus then.
3.All shell of SA will be 155mm after French 105mm replaced.
4.It is also called Camel for its interesting shape.
5.About 4000 shells have been fired in the past 3 years.21 times were fired here,7 times in S Afraica,in extreme weather of minus 40 C.
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1.How SA tested the new gun in this red tiny dot?
2.The armoured Light Weight Howitzer (SLWH) Pegasus is almost for sure under
development.It took almost ten year from FH 2000 to Primus to develop.
However,with the experience in Primus and the features of Pegasus,I think
the armoured Pegasus can roll out in 6 years.
TAKE NOTE the new gunThe recoil of the Pegasus is a third lower than conventional 155mm howitzers.
and is much lighter.
I wonder if the armoured version can be heli portable. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
What thing is called Camel?
[b]some new info from ZAO BAOZAO BAO 29.10.2005.
1.Pegasus shift center of gravity by see saw principal.What is it?
2. 23SA will be full operational capacity in one year and equipped with 18 Pegasus then.
3.All shell of SA will be 155mm after French 105mm replaced.
4.It is also called Camel for its interesting shape.
5.About 4000 shells have been fired in the past 3 years.21 times were fired here,7 times in S Afraica,in extreme weather of minus 40 C.
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1.Answer to above: Pegasus is also called Camel.Read the news in Chinese ZAO BAO.
2. Comparsions of Spec of 155mm Singapore Light Weight Howitzer (SLWH) Pegasus and FH2000 52 Calibre 155mm Field Howitzer:
155mm Singapore Light Weight Howitzer (SLWH) Pegasus
FH2000 52 Calibre 155mm Field Howitzer
Technical & Performance Specifications(FH 2000 in bracket)
Weighing 5.4 tons, 39-calibre howitzer,155 mm shells
(Weight:13.5 tonnes.Barrel Length:52 calibre,155 mm )
(Length x Weight x Height
10.95m x 2.55m x 2.55m)
Range
Maximum Range:19 km (Conventional); 30 km (Extended Range)
( M107 Projectile:24 km.Max 40km)
Rate of Fire
Burst Rate:3 rounds in 24 seconds
Maximum Rate:4 rounds per minute for 3 minutes
Sustain Rate:2 rounds per minute for 30 minutes
(Burst Rate:3 rounds within 20 sec.
Maximum Rate:6 rounds/min
Sustained Rate:2 rounds/min)
Manpower
No. of crew:6 - 8(6 men)
Mobility
Self-Propelled:12 km/h (maximum)
Towed (Cross-country):50 km/h (maximum)
Towed (Paved):70 km/h (maximum)
( Maximum Towing Speed:50km/h
Maximum self-propelled Speed:16km/h
Tandem Drive:16km/h)
(Ground Clearance:0.35 m
Fording Depth:0.76 m
Slope Climbing:24 degrees)
Towing Vehicle Type:5 ton; 7 ton
Engine:.21kW Lombardini 9LD625-2
Air Transportability
Fixed Wing C130
Rotary Wing CH-47D/SD
3.see how our guns work -
Armoured version? U serious? I dun mind the idea, but...Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.How SA tested the new gun in this red tiny dot?
2.The armoured Light Weight Howitzer (SLWH) Pegasus is almost for sure under
development.It took almost ten year from FH 2000 to Primus to develop.
However,with the experience in Primus and the features of Pegasus,I think
the armoured Pegasus can roll out in 6 years.
TAKE NOTE the new gun and is much lighter.
I wonder if the armoured version can be heli portable.
this friggin' thing is already to e bones!
