Ex. Malindo
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if they wanted to mobilize , it would be about in about 20,000 - 50,000 menOriginally posted by Laplace:Ex Malindo Barsasa 3AB was a series of joint miltary exercises between Indonesia and Malaysian armed forces that started a week before Nday 1991 and cumulated in the form of an commando/Kopassus airborne drop in Johor not less 20 km from our border. Total strength involved hovered around 3000 men.
The official TNI newspaper stated that the scenario of the exercise was that an"aggressor" had invaded Malaysia and hence both countries are forced to carried out punitive measures to defend Malaysia and drive the "aggressors" out. The codename pf last phase of the exercise was translated from Behasa Melayu as "Beat to Death"
SM Goh ordered the first ever open mobilization of the SAF and the rest as they say was history. I remember both uncles being called up at the same time for active deployment. I think the arty one reported back to Khatib while the infantry one was deployed to Marsiling. -
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Ex. Malindo Darsasa was obviously trying to drive fear into us Singaporean. Exercise of this large scale held on the day before our national day, in Johor within visual range from Singapore mainland. It is hard for Singapore not to react.
If one day this certain country do launch an attack on us, I believe we wouldn't be on the losing end. Most of us can fire a M16 or SAR21 and had basic knowledge of military and with our technology, I believe SAF is one of the best Armed Forces in Asia. And I believe most of us had notice that Tekong's plantation has uncanny resemblence with other plantation in this certain country. -
3,000 men could be the official number of troops revealed to the media
20,000-50,000 men could be the real numbers who are on standby awaiting instructions -
I am personally confident of our country's ability to deter an attack or counterattack after absorbing the first wave. What is being reveal to the public is just part of the contingency plans Mindef have during war time.
For example many people have complained in this forum that some of the weapons and equipment which we are actually using during our NSF times (not those fanciful stuff you seen on tv or the papers) are substandard and express concern should war comes. What we use during actual war and what we are using during NSF times is not the same. We have newer and better stuff waiting for us!
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Though you may say that we have newer and better stuff which are held in reserved and not used in NSF.Then how does the NSF being activated during war time know how to use them?Haha
But without the slightest doubt I belief we will and we can withstand an attack and launch an overwhelming attack thanks to our technology,dedication and some say wayangness of our SAF.We will survive. -
these new equipment i don't think it's the NSF handling it.Originally posted by tankee1981:I am personally confident of our country's ability to deter an attack or counterattack after absorbing the first wave. What is being reveal to the public is just part of the contingency plans Mindef have during war time.
For example many people have complained in this forum that some of the weapons and equipment which we are actually using during our NSF times (not those fanciful stuff you seen on tv or the papers) are substandard and express concern should war comes. What we use during actual war and what we are using during NSF times is not the same. We have newer and better stuff waiting for us!
should be the regulars since NSF are more then likely to go around blabbing nonsense to their friends. -
we can never have a first wave happen on our ground itself , when it happens , our ability to defend is critically underminedOriginally posted by tankee1981:I am personally confident of our country's ability to deter an attack or counterattack after absorbing the first wave. What is being reveal to the public is just part of the contingency plans Mindef have during war time.
For example many people have complained in this forum that some of the weapons and equipment which we are actually using during our NSF times (not those fanciful stuff you seen on tv or the papers) are substandard and express concern should war comes. What we use during actual war and what we are using during NSF times is not the same. We have newer and better stuff waiting for us! -
What i meant by newer and better weapons are those that are little used and in storage such as M16S1 being used by the NS men. These weapons and equipment are less used and suffer less abuse as compared to the 'training' weapons used both in the training schools and operational units.
Ever wonder why the rifles in BMTC have seemingly more problems as compared to those in operational units? One reason is that the recruits damaged them due to being amateurs another reason is that those which they are using are the oldest in SAF's inventory.
This info is highly reliable as i got this from a 1WO.Therefore, don't get me wrong. I do not mean that what we are using in war is entirely different from what we are trained in. -
There is equipment used for training, and there is equipment reserved for operational purpose. Those who have been mobilised and have opened those boxes should know.
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Today news report that Dr M said our FM statements show that now Singapore even dare to threaten them ....... As you can see guys, we just have to be prepared, the mood can just change in a second.
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Dr M is NATO.Gee..Originally posted by seneca04:Today news report that Dr M said our FM statements show that now Singapore even dare to threaten them ....... As you can see guys, we just have to be prepared, the mood can just change in a second. -
when politicians anywhere get old and senile .... they become a joke and a national embaressment ....Originally posted by seneca04:Today news report that Dr M said our FM statements show that now Singapore even dare to threaten them ....... As you can see guys, we just have to be prepared, the mood can just change in a second.
Dr M is just one example ....
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UNless some maniac or religios group takes over Malaysia or Indonesia, neither of them are likely to risk war with us. No matter how much sabre rattling their current governments do, they already have enough on their hands not to risk having their armed forces badly mauled by a superior force.
However, the possibility of extremists taking over either country is not remote. Indonesia is already full of terrorists. And not too long ago a terrorist group drove off with a large cache of weapons from a Malaysian army camp. -
i think this episode expose our vulnerablity very well, i mean what is the line that that must be crossed before we attack? we know that we don't want to fight in singapore if we can help it, the idea is to push out.
in this case, they drop troops 20 km from us, that in my personal view is as close to war as we have ever come to since independence. i suppose the reason we didn't launch is because they didn't try to flank or circle us. -
Not that I'm a war monger or anything...but dun you guys think that 20klicks is alittle too close for comfort?Always been told that we will strike preemptively...so now what?We are gonna have to wait till they get within 5klicks before gettin our jets in the air and the Navy going?
Hell..if they wanna practice troops drops,RSAF should scramble F16s or F5s and shadow their aircraft.Ready to pop them with a Sidewinder/Sparrow missile if they monkey the slightest bit man. -
RSAF has aircraft on Alert 5 (or equivalent) status. Last year there was a light aircraft on a round the world trip that approached Singapore airspace with radios out of commission. Pair of Skyhawks was scrambled to intercept for fears of the aircraft being hijacked.
Secondly, as far as aircraft are concerned Singapore and Malaysia airspace is so close that aircraft is "handed over" from one civilian airport radar control to another, and origin of aircraft is closely tracked. In order to air drop sufficient numbers of paratroopers into the island I believe there would be a certain list of parameters that radar operators are trained to look out for (guessing, because I am not Air Force).
For example, formation of aircraft, not necessarily from the same airport, but all converging onto a similar location (ie Singapore).
I fervently hope that I won't have to live to see the day that there is armed confrontation between Singapore and Malaysia, have family on both sides of the Causeway, but I believe that preparedness is what keeps the peace here. Kuwait got too comfortable with Iraq, which was why the larger country was tempted to invade. -
I still hold to the belief that ultimately one day both nations might have to fight alongside each other.Originally posted by cleong:RSAF has aircraft on Alert 5 (or equivalent) status. Last year there was a light aircraft on a round the world trip that approached Singapore airspace with radios out of commission. Pair of Skyhawks was scrambled to intercept for fears of the aircraft being hijacked.
Secondly, as far as aircraft are concerned Singapore and Malaysia airspace is so close that aircraft is "handed over" from one civilian airport radar control to another, and origin of aircraft is closely tracked. In order to air drop sufficient numbers of paratroopers into the island I believe there would be a certain list of parameters that radar operators are trained to look out for (guessing, because I am not Air Force).
For example, formation of aircraft, not necessarily from the same airport, but all converging onto a similar location (ie Singapore).
I fervently hope that I won't have to live to see the day that there is armed confrontation between Singapore and Malaysia, have family on both sides of the Causeway, but I believe that preparedness is what keeps the peace here. Kuwait got too comfortable with Iraq, which was why the larger country was tempted to invade. -
Yeah, I thought that incident was quite funny though... Skyhawk sent to intercept... they really must have had one heck of an advanced warning. F-16s and F-5s would climb faster than Skyhawks... it probably means the Skyhawks were already alerted long before, on station and waiting for the intercept.
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I sure hope I don't have to live to see Singapore in conflict with anybody.Originally posted by cleong:I fervently hope that I won't have to live to see the day that there is armed confrontation between Singapore and Malaysia, have family on both sides of the Causeway, but I believe that preparedness is what keeps the peace here. Kuwait got too comfortable with Iraq, which was why the larger country was tempted to invade.
I will be happy if our neighbor stops using us as a punching bag to divert their domestic attention. I will be happy if they just abide by the international laws in agreements signed between us.
In term of defense, I will be happy if Malaysia can hold their own ground and do not allow terrorists to infiltrate us. I think we should consider ourselves lucky if malaysia stop collaborating with a foreign force in another EX Malindo at our doorstep.
be alert as we are always a little red dot. -
war they oso jialat one.....why would they....they offended Uncle Sam liao leh....now still wanna gajiao Uncle Sam's friend ? wah liew
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We must always remain ever vigilant,like a spring tightly wound spring,so that when push comes to shove,we will shove off with the maximum effect. The state of readiness must be so high that even the slightest provocation brings the required reaction status.It may seem that its over-reacting,but I belief,over-reacting is better then not having a reaction and sit on our asses sucking our thumbs.