Has Malaysia Acquired their Su-27/30s yet?
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The following is an article from the dailypress.com
Mentioned smth abt US F-15s involved in exercise against Su-27s in Malaysia.Pilots say Raptor provides advantage
Fliers get to test the new Air Force fighter's mettle in two weeks of exercises that begin today.
BY JIM HODGES
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October 17, 2005
LAYTON, UTAH -- Bill Creeden remembers his first flight in an F-15 Eagle.
"The plane was older than I was," said Creeden, now a 27-year-old Air Force captain from Manassas. "But I thought, 'Hey this is training, so I shouldn't be surprised.' "
Then he got to Langley Air Force Base.
"When I got here, the plane was older than I was, too," Creeden said.
No more. He's flying the F/A-22 Raptor in two weeks of exercises that begin today at Hill Air Force Base. To him, it's like driving an expensive car he just bought.
"It looks, smells, feels new," said Creeden, who picked up 4.7 hours - pilots count their experience in six-minute increments - in the Raptor on Saturday, flying it from Langley to Hill.
That's one reason he's excited about flying the Air Force's new fighter.
Maj. Chuck Corcoran has another, gleaned from sitting in the back seat of a Russian Su-27 on an exchange visit.
"It was eye-opening," he said. "What was really eye-opening was how they go about training their pilots. They're getting more and more experienced."
That means they're getting better, and Corcoran isn't into jousting. With foreign technology catching up to the Air Force's staple, the F-15, he doesn't want to go against a well-trained pilot in equal equipment.
"If I can blow up a threat before he knows I'm there, that's what I want," said Corcoran, who is plainly enamored with the Raptor's stealth capability, both against other planes and surface-to-air missiles that are getting increasingly sophisticated.
"This plane can go places that an aluminum plane just can't. With the F-15, we'll probably both get a shot."
The last thing a pilot wants is to be a flying target in a gun - or missile - fight.
It's why Corcoran is in love with the Raptor.
Jim Hecker's reason is mathematical and goes to an exercise two years ago in which F-15 pilots fought Russian MiG-29s flown by Indian pilots.
"We were trading plane-for-plane," said Hecker, a lieutenant colonel who commands Langley's 27th Fighter Squadron, the first unit to fly the Raptor.
He admitted that it scared him, because the last thing a pilot wants is competition in the sky.
Later, he flew F-15s against Su-27s in an exercise in Malaysia. The American planes made out better that time, but not better enough.
"We want to win every fight 59-0," Hecker said.
He figures he can pitch a shutout every time with a Raptor.
Ask any of them about federal budget cutbacks that reduce the number of F/A-22s the Air Force can buy to 179 and you get the same answer. They admit that it's the company line.
"The Air Force says it needs 381 to perform its mission," Corcoran said. "I've heard it over and over again."
Even though it's getting harder to find the parts necessary to keep the F-15s in the air, their use probably will be extended as long as possible because fewer Raptors are being bought.
Fewer F/A-22s mean "we'll just be busier," Hecker said. "There will be more for us to do."
So how many are enough, without the company line?
"You'll know 40 years from now," said Capt. Shawn, a Raptor instructor who is in town to see if there's anything else he should be teaching the pilots.
He laughed and added, "Everybody will be sitting around the table and asking each other, 'Did we have enough Raptors?' " -
no not yet
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deliveries in '08 i think ... they must have been fulcrums instead ....
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Perhaps the reporting press made an err then. But they already exercised with the indian fulcrums already... so whose sukhois were these in M'sia?
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The deliveries of the 18 Su-30MKM should begin in June 2006, that is next year.Originally posted by Fatum:deliveries in '08 i think ... they must have been fulcrums instead ....
Speculation has it that 10 more may be ordered.
Not sure what weapons the Malaysians ordered with the fighters though...
AS-17 Kryptons or the Klub-S series? Hopefully not. These supersonic ASMs would present a formidable threat to even hardened air bases... -
strange... i read in the news msian pilots crashed two of them.
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Yo bro!!! You also come here ah!Originally posted by alexkusu:strange... i read in the news msian pilots crashed two of them.
Yup 2 MiG-29s of the RMAF were lost over the last 5 years...
Apparently no attrition replacements were ordered, so 16 out of an original 18 remain. (14 MiG-29N single seaters, 2 MiG-29NUB dual trainers) -
me came here cos it was in Newest Topics..
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JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - APRIL 21, 2004
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South African EW system for Malaysian Sukhois
Helmoed-Römer Heitman JDW Correspondent
Cape Town
The Malaysian government has placed an order with South African electronic warfare (EW) company Avitronics for Multi-Sensor Warning Systems ( MSWS) to be fitted to the Royal Malaysian Air Force's 18 new Sukhoi-30MK fighters.
Work on the first two phases of the order, valued at $20 million, is to commence immediately. The first phase will focus on system engineering to fully integrate the MSWS with the aircraft. The second phase of about 18 months will see a prototype developed and the production systems manufactured.
The fully integrated MSWS comprises a radar-warning system able to handle multiple simultaneous pulse Doppler and continuous wave signals, a laser-warning system, a solar blind ultra-violet missile approach warning system that can track more than eight targets simultaneously and an EW controller with an integrated defensive aids computer.
It gives audio warning of threats and shows detailed data on either a dedicated colour display or an existing colour multi-functional display. Active jamming and chaff/flare dispensers can be integrated with the system to suit the threat environment.
The MSWS is modular to facilitate tailoring to specific requirements and budget levels and can be specified to provide full spherical coverage.
The system is supplied with Pre-Flight Data Compiler and Flight Data Analyser software tools that enable the operator to tailor the system to suit the developing threat environment.
A memory-loading unit allows software to be loaded and unloaded on the flight line and various pre-flight data sets can be loaded and selected in flight as a mission proceeds. All relevant data is recorded during the mission for later downloading and analysis -
How come they got S.Africa EW system?
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.......and where did the South Africans get their EW systems from? Interesting isn't it?
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*heh .... imagine the irony when they pull out components and see " Made in Israel "Originally posted by bcoy:.......and where did the South Africans get their EW systems from? Interesting isn't it? -
I would VERY MUCH love to be around when that happens.Originally posted by Fatum:*heh .... imagine the irony when they pull out components and see " Made in Israel "
"Waitaminute, we din pay for these!"
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....HAHAHA...esp if the addressee is something like "Jerusalem, Israel together with the Shield of David attached"!Originally posted by Fatum:*heh .... imagine the irony when they pull out components and see " Made in Israel "
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FROM ISRAEL, WITH LUVÂ…
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EW hardware suite performance varies nation to nation. Why? U need programming to optimise the EW suite performance beyond the offical hardware spec.
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i don't know what they will do with their made-in-israel products , but i do know that south africa is something like sg.
if it's made in israel , good for their militaryMaybe they just want to buy by changing hands through south africa.Let's just face it , israel has the most advanced weapons technology. -
Their south african product , i have just searched , it's from SAAB.
Swedish.. the company which manufactures the gripen. -
Actually MY's SU-30 is almost as capable as India SU-30MKI Mk1 I think, but since the Malaysian dun want any Israeli avionics into their SU-30s, they source from others.
The problem is , the Russian demanded more money from them becos the need for more intergation work to be done, which not only cost more than India's SU-30s, I think perhaps less capable!!!
And I am not surprise that they could face delay in deploying these new a/c becos of teething problem may arises during integration of new system!!!
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Don't forget there r only around half of the S.African company is held by Swedish, Ok, the other half still is South AfricanOriginally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Their south african product , i have just searched , it's from SAAB.
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Hi evbdy, i am new here,Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:I would VERY MUCH love to be around when that happens.
"Waitaminute, we din pay for these!"
Boleh land had already have Israeli EW in their inventory (since 1980's) -
And what equipment would that be?