Invasion of Iraq is justified
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I believe the UNSC cannot pass a resolution for a regime change in any country. UNLESS that country is breaching the sovereignty of another, and the regime is deemed to be the cause of the act of aggression. Besides, if u pass a resolution calling for regime change for a country, who the hell is gonna abide to that? Their government won't. Hence, it is essentially a death sentence for war.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It is acceptable to forcibly intervene in a sovereign nation if it has contravened human standards of decency, e.g genocide and Holocaust- type acts.
Sometimes, the rest of humanity have got to realise that they cannot be constrained too much inaction.Care to tell the vets that they are war criminals for bombing and invading Germany?
I would rather start a war to end a genocidal regime than to sit back and enjoy the false peace which you and I know is false.Liberty needs blood to live, and no one has ever secured freedom through false pretenses of neutrality.
The only gripe is that Bush took the UN for idiots and did not properly phrase his demand for action in a more concise and persuasive manner to convince them in a legal sense that Saddam must be removed.
The days where states can engage in acts against humanity and hide behind the pretense of national sovereignty is gone.If you do not go against global opinion, you have nothing to fear.Overfragmentalisation of the world goes against what we've all been working on for a long time, a more united world with shared interests. -
So you are equating the Allied invasion of Nazi Germany with BushCo's action in Iraq?Originally posted by LazerLordz:It is acceptable to forcibly intervene in a sovereign nation if it has contravened human standards of decency, e.g genocide and Holocaust- type acts.
Sometimes, the rest of humanity have got to realise that they cannot be constrained too much inaction.Care to tell the vets that they are war criminals for bombing and invading Germany?
I would rather start a war to end a genocidal regime than to sit back and enjoy the false peace which you and I know is false.Liberty needs blood to live, and no one has ever secured freedom through false pretenses of neutrality.
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Well, would Bush and gang have thought up an invasion of Iraq if it had no oil? I think not.Originally posted by hardyhall:So, in your book, it is OK to forcibly take what is not yours?
Burma and Zimbabwe are also ruled by despots. Why haven't they been invaded for the purpose of "regime change" yet? Because they have no WMDs or plans to acquire them? -
What has been done is done. There is nothing the rest of us can do but to hope for a better future. The weakness in the UN is to blame. The unstable situations in Middle East contributed to the inevitable war. The lack of OIL and the need to run its vast military units across the world contributes to it. The Sept 11th. The dream of globalisation and as a world police is also a factor. We must all think of all the facts of WHY n WHY NOT!
US's intellgence credibility is at stake. Hell the WORLD is at stake! Mujahadeens running around blowing themselves up. I mean what better way to kill them all then to kill themselves in thier own ground. Its like in Star Trek..u dun see no middle eastern people. Its like they just blew themselves up.
The thing is what should the UN or US do next time ? Will Nato even have any say.. will ASEAN be an effective military Coalition.. so on n forth.
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look, it's much more then jus about the oilOriginally posted by iveco:Well, would Bush and gang have thought up an invasion of Iraq if it had no oil? I think not.
Burma and Zimbabwe are also ruled by despots. Why haven't they been invaded for the purpose of "regime change" yet? Because they have no WMDs or plans to acquire them?
if u rmb, the "in" word regarding the case to invade Iraq was nukes, no? so..even if there is no nukes(as in the case now), but isn't it unfair to blame bush as now we all noe tat Iraq had no WMDs in their Inventory as we all possess the advantage of hindsight now? -
North Korea confirm got nukes. Why hasn't the US gone in to topple Kim Jong Ill and reunite the Korean peninsula?Originally posted by Lance_han:look, it's much more then jus about the oil if u rmb, the "in" word regarding the case to invade Iraq was nukes, no? so..even if there is no nukes(as in the case now), but isn't it unfair to blame bush as now we all noe tat Iraq had no WMDs in their Inventory as we all possess the advantage of hindsight now? -
hey, if u DO rmb, saddam do have some human rights records in the UN...rmb the chemical\military attacks on the kurds?Originally posted by hardyhall:So you are equating the Allied invasion of Nazi Germany with BushCo's action in Iraq?
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search me dudeOriginally posted by iveco:North Korea confirm got nukes. Why hasn't the US gone in to topple Kim Jong Ill and reunite the Korean peninsula? wad will u be doing if u were bush? -
Promoting the message of peace, like what Bill Clinton did in the past.Originally posted by Lance_han:search me dude wad will u be doing if u were bush?
I am sure the world would have been a much safer place if the votes in Florida were recounted and Al Gore confirmed as president. -
look, it easy saying tat, but we all noe tat practice and theory are two different thingsOriginally posted by iveco:Promoting the message of peace, what else.
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Use undercover agents to introduce aedes mosquito to Kim Jong Ill's palaces and his top general's homes.Originally posted by iveco:North Korea confirm got nukes. Why hasn't the US gone in to topple Kim Jong Ill and reunite the Korean peninsula? -
U think the US doesn't want to do something to N.Korea too? Believe me, everybody knows about the concentration camps in North Korea. The US is also worried abt N.Korean missiles that can hit ALASKA.
The prob is, if they take action... there is a good chance N.Korea might really push the "RED" button. -
Well, that only shows that Kim Jong Ill is a smart man while Saddam Hussein is thick. North Korea has shown time and again that they are capable of the worst blackmail.Originally posted by Shotgun:U think the US doesn't want to do something to N.Korea too? Believe me, everybody knows about the concentration camps in North Korea. The US is also worried abt N.Korean missiles that can hit ALASKA.
The prob is, if they take action... there is a good chance N.Korea might really push the "RED" button.
We can only blame the weakened state of post-WWII America for not winning the Korean War. The commies' certainly came out from WWII much stronger than expected. However, it was during the late 1980s that the communist world imploded and many of its members forced to adopt market reforms.
The end is near for North Korea. People are dying of starvation by the minute. Either it opens up its economy or it will come crashing down. -
dat i'm not so sure...time and again it has been proved tat wif an efficient Secret Police, nobody will try any stunts regarding the current regime now..Originally posted by iveco:Well, that only shows that Kim Jong Ill is a smart man while Saddam Hussein is thick. North Korea has shown time and again that they are capable of the worst blackmail.
We can only blame the weakened state of post-WWII America for not winning the Korean War. The commies' certainly came out from WWII much stronger than expected. However, it was during the late 1980s that the communist world imploded and many of its members forced to adopt market reforms.
The end is near for North Korea. People are dying of starvation by the minute. Either it opens up its economy or it will come crashing down.
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Thousands have defected to the south in search of a better life, if you aren't aware.Originally posted by Lance_han:dat i'm not so sure...time and again it has been proved tat wif an efficient Secret Police, nobody will try any stunts regarding the current regime now.. -
thousands out of a how many millions-man population?Originally posted by iveco:Thousands have defected to the south in search of a better life, if you aren't aware. it's a small number, but anywae, if there's gonna be a revolt, first out to lose it's head has gotta be the secret police, or it would even plae out at all -
With so many children starving to death, I am sure their population is shrinking by the day. In time to come, only Kim Jong Ill and his family will remain standing.Originally posted by Lance_han:thousands out of a how many millions-man population? it's a small number, but anywae, if there's gonna be a revolt, first out to lose it's head has gotta be the secret police, or it would even plae out at all -
u sure tat will happen? i believe u're underestimating the will of an average human being to surviveOriginally posted by iveco:With so many children starving to death, I am sure their population is shrinking by the day. In time to come, only Kim Jong Ill and his family will remain standing. -
The Korean peninsular is in one massive stalemate now. But a lil bit more chia lat than China-Taiwan. In the case of ROC - PRC, the status quo is desireable, to some extent. No one is suffering cos of it.
But in DPRK, the status quo is causing deaths. Ppl are starving amd dissidents sent to concentration camps. There are reports of DRPK testing Chemical and Biological weapons on dissidents in these facilities, which definitely qualifies as Human Rights Violations.
I believe there are a lot of ppl who want to see a regime change in DPRK. At the same time, there are lots who do not want a war. Especially the Koreans who have lived thru the previous one. That is ONE stalemate.
Second Stalemate is the nuclear weapons. Heck, u have to give the North Koreans for having balls and playing the right cards. They've got the missile technology to hit US assets, bases in the pacific. And yes, they can even hit alaska. Alaska = Oil. Alaska contains what is probably the US's oil reserve. 6-13 BILLION barrels of oil if they open up drilling. That is not a place where the US wants to see become Radioactive. Other possible targets in the pacific that could hurt the US are the asian oil pipelines. Oil doesn't only affects the USA, but the whole world.
Hopefully it doesn't stay this way forever. Firstly, maybe for some unknown reason, Kim Jong Ill might get kidnapped by aliens or die of mysterious heart attack. Next leader, his Son may actually be more compassionate, and start working for the welfare of his people. And we might even see a peaceful reunification of the Koreas.
If not, it will depend on the US's development of its Anti Ballistic Missile systems. When the US is cocksure that their system is full proof, they may then actually hold the ace to trump DPRK's king. (no pun intended) Militarily, the USA, can take on the DPRK. Especially if its willing to commit 7 carrier battle groups into the pacific. And with the South Koreans moving their capital further south, we might actually be seeing pre-emptive measures to a 2nd showdown in the Korean peninsular.
Then again, like in the 2nd Gulfwar, the Korean war never really ended. It has been a "ceasefire" all along. Its just a matter of breaking the "Ceasefire." -
Agree!!Originally posted by iveco:I am sure the world would have been a much safer place if the votes in Florida were recounted and Al Gore confirmed as president. -
America does have a plan for North Korea.Originally posted by Lance_han:search me dude wad will u be doing if u were bush?
After the elections last year in US, the Bush Administration begin to devise a strategy for North Korea. The Pentagon priority is Iraq election in January. When the election is held successfully, and the situation is more stabilised in Iraq next year, the demand for the marines will be lesser. At the same time, it will continue to negotiate with the North Koreans. If the negotiations went smoothly, all goes well. If the talks are in a statemate as it is now, the Pentagon war plans will start rolling out.
However, there are 2 factors that will affect the Pentagon plans. Iraq MUST stabilised first. Another is Katrina hurricane affecting the economy. -
To sae the truth, i don tink the Iraq situation will stabilise even if they had all the time in the world...Originally posted by Sid_Vicious:America does have a plan for North Korea.
After the elections last year in US, the Bush Administration begin to devise a strategy for North Korea. The Pentagon priority is Iraq election in January. When the election is held successfully, and the situation is more stabilised in Iraq next year, the demand for the marines will be lesser. At the same time, it will continue to negotiate with the North Koreans. If the negotiations went smoothly, all goes well. If the talks are in a statemate as it is now, the Pentagon war plans will start rolling out.
However, there are 2 factors that will affect the Pentagon plans. Iraq MUST stabilised first. Another is Katrina hurricane affecting the economy. It's a case of biting off more then u can chew now for the US... Terrorism isn't gonna give a hoot about the North Korean case -
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