Malaysia Army
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Maybe you are right, coz the British simply had too many unfortunate mistakes that really should not have happened. It simply occured over and over again.Originally posted by BadzMaro:Correct me if i am wrong. But the British was over confident of thier Sole navel Battleship and expected a Naval assault hence replacing ALL thier AA guns.. thus succumbed to devastating airial assault and also didnt anticipate the Japs to come down so fast on thier asses. I forgot whats the name of the Battle ship that guarded Sg but it was an embarrasment to the British navy.. just like the HMS Hood.. sunk by the Bismarck with a direct hit to thier unprotected Ammo storage.. Coup De Grace =P -
Im a malay guy too!!Originally posted by storm_freaky13:ACtually i trust our Singaporean Malays quite a fair bit. I am glad to hear that from two malay guys here. Anyway in Singapore, althought racism still exists i am glad to say that it is kept to the bare minimum. Let us Singaporeans work together for the safety of our country and the region.
Cheers!
haha ! nice to see some malay guys herE!
btw i hate those malaysian malays...
once my friend went to jb to buy some stuff
he got robbed by a group of malays from malaysia..
i also heard that the malays at malaysia hate singaporean malays....
thats what my friend told me
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There were 2 ships, the HMS Prince of Wales and the HMS Repluse. Both were battleships with the Prince of Wales being quite new.In fact she was with the Hood when the Hood went down i believe. The Hood was an old ship hence her deck was wooden and not armoured.Causing massive damage when the KMS Bismarck fired on it.
That said, the British defending Singapore had in total more troops then the Japs.However no more then 15,000 out of the in some sources quoted as 100,000 were actual British or Commonwealth troops.
The rest were poorly trained,equiped and lead local soldiers who could not really do much tactically. While the japs were battle hardened and pretty much motivated and better equiped even though they were running low on supplies.
Most of the new equipment and soldiers requested by the British High command here went to Africa.While the planes were needed for the Defence of the British homeland.
That said i'm not sure about my numbers since it's been awhile since i picked up a book on the war in this region. So excuse me if i did make some mistakes here
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It's not easy for an empire to fight on two fronts.
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Ya alot of talk has been going on about that.Originally posted by SerialBox:Im a malay guy too!!
haha ! nice to see some malay guys herE!
btw i hate those malaysian malays...
once my friend went to jb to buy some stuff
he got robbed by a group of malays from malaysia..
i also heard that the malays at malaysia hate singaporean malays....thats what my friend told me -
Is it ? lol.. well.Malays in Borneo cant have much say as the Locals and the Chinese outnumber them 3 to 1 lol! Even if they tried to be racist...the army will be on our side lOriginally posted by SerialBox:Im a malay guy too!!
haha ! nice to see some malay guys herE!
btw i hate those malaysian malays...
once my friend went to jb to buy some stuff
he got robbed by a group of malays from malaysia..
i also heard that the malays at malaysia hate singaporean malays....
thats what my friend told me 
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Originally posted by |-|05|:
Ha ha ha.. Man the Prince of Wales was a jinx!
[b]There were 2 ships, the HMS Prince of Wales and the HMS Repluse. Both were battleships with the Prince of Wales being quite new.In fact she was with the Hood when the Hood went down i believe. The Hood was an old ship hence her deck was wooden and not armoured.Causing massive damage when the KMS Bismarck fired on it.
That said, the British defending Singapore had in total more troops then the Japs.However no more then 15,000 out of the in some sources quoted as 100,000 were actual British or Commonwealth troops.
The rest were poorly trained,equiped and lead local soldiers who could not really do much tactically. While the japs were battle hardened and pretty much motivated and better equiped even though they were running low on supplies.b]
Actually some of the local soldiers fought well and bravely despite their equipment. Read about the Malay regiment fighting in Pasir Panjang.
Read some of the military history and you'll realize the British leadership just wasn't up to scratch. Not to mention their intelligence services.
Back on topic, at the end of the day, both governments won't want to go to war anytime soon lah. For Malaysia, it's a war they probably won't win (even if they don't lose) and for Singapore, even if we won, our economy will be devestated. So what's the point.
It would have to take something pretty drastic to happen for a mobilization of war.
And the fact that we have people travelling back and forth between the 2 countries everyday, it'd be impossible for anyone to mobilze without the other party knowing it. -
The point is never to start any wars. It's going to be a MAD situation where neither side really wins.
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Ever since they used the term "south east asia israel"
on us , i know they will attempt to exterminate us one day.
Not to mention , the man who used this term is still alive. -
Can see a lot of our northern neighbour and fellow countrymen of the south are in this forum, very busy discussing the likehood of a hostile outbreak btw the 2 countries. This event is very remote as long as the leadership of both countries are in the hands of men with talents (or at least right minds).
If one day, some racial extremists (Chinese extremist, Indian exmistrist or Malay extremist) taken over one of the country in this region, we will not find peace and stability. I believe a lot of us treasure the time and opporunity for us to share our views here under a peaceful atmosphere.
I hope all of us would contribute our strength, regardless of our race and faith, to fight the true evil of extremism that may take its forms from racism to terrorism. Frankly speaking, I dun think any man with a sound mind would want a war btw 2 neighbours. We have a deep common roots and culture. We have suffered and prosperous together, and we share the similiar fate in the river of history. The 2 countries may be in different stage of developement under different policy and different leaderships, but deep down we are closely knitted and bonded by blood ties across the straits. It is inevitable that there will be some fiction between 2 countries. But we should always treasure our ties with each other.
Just remember WW2, when Malaysia fall, Sg fall. Just look at the more recent Asian Crisis, when Malaysia and Indo fall, Sg also suffer. There is no reason for Sg to want Malaysia to fail in her modernization effort, Sg will only prosper when her neighbours prosper. Chinese saying "Got money, we earn together!". -
Their elite RDF 10th para brigade is stationed in Malacca which is also very near. Their defense minister said that the RDF can be mobilised within 1-5 hrs. The bde has 4500 soldiers, light tanks, surface-to-air missiles and artillery. I think they have exercises with close air support. Another force to be reckoned with.Originally posted by tvdog:They thing is they DO already have troops stationed in Johore.
On top of regular army units they have in the past decade also established airborne units in Johore.
So even if we implement our much vaunted "Forward Defense", it will not be a walk in the park. The minute we mobilise, their intel will also tell them to mobilise. So it is a matter of how quickly we can get into Johore before their main forces arrive. We would be up against some of their crack airborne troops in Johore. -
All I can say is that they will need their parachutes. Cos they ain't gonna be flying very far...
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they won't be flying .... they will probably be used to plug gaps in their defence the way we'll use our guards men ....Originally posted by Shotgun:All I can say is that they will need their parachutes. Cos they ain't gonna be flying very far... -
speaking of which...they might have a offensive role should we really go to war..Originally posted by Fatum:they won't be flying .... they will probably be used to plug gaps in their defence the way we'll use our guards men ....
since they're airborne-qualified...a surprise low altitude drop on our northern shores...? 
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Why northern shores?Originally posted by Lance_han:speaking of which...they might have a offensive role should we really go to war.. since they're airborne-qualified...a surprise low altitude drop on our northern shores...?
They can "coastal hook" us in the West in Jurong with amphibious and airborne assault supported by their navy for example.
In fact, they can open up several other fronts besides the north.
Thanks heavens they are still too weak to really threaten us. -
Not much space to land in Singapore.Especially with chutesOriginally posted by tvdog:Why northern shores?
They can "coastal hook" us in the West in Jurong with amphibious and airborne assault supported by their navy for example.
In fact, they can open up several other fronts besides the north.
Thanks heavens they are still too weak to really threaten us. -
GPMG patrol in northern area of singapore for show one hor?
E2-C skyhawk also for show one hor?
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4 C-130 takes off from Malacca , full speed towards SG.
E-2C hawkeye detects C-130 on radar.
5 RMN ships detected by Fokker 50.
Alert on TAB , F-16 pilots staying in camp mobilised.
F-16s take off , engaging the C-130 at mid-attitude.
malaysian commandos forced to parachute and land on johor -
That is , if the AIM-120 C clip the C-130's wings.
if direct hit ,
other insertion could be through submarines , but with Sikorsky helicopters, i don't think it's going to be much of a trouble.
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When handling planes that could be full of parachuters, u shoot enough AMRAAMs at it to blow it out of the sky completely. That may take 2 or 3.
As for submarine insertion... hmmm very trickly business cos of shallow waters around Singapore. Later run aground cos we dump too much rocks around our waters to reclaim land. Hur. -
That is why from WW2 lessons, we can summarise few points:
1) Air force very very important.
Jap planes are unchallenged after 24 hours of the 1st air raid. They bomb the hell out of british command. Worst still, jap can bomb the reserivor, power plant, supply depot, telephone station, camps and hospitals anywhere they like. In this way, it detract the recovery effort and send the british commanders busy hiding and running, rather than focus on the war in Malaysia.
With control of air, Jap can use airforce to sink the 2 great battleships and perform a Pearl Harbour for the US navy. It opened another dimension for attacking your enemies.
2) Arty and Armour very important.
Art can shell and pin down your enemy in trenches, while u perform the franking movement. It also destroy the morale of the enemies troops.
Armour thrust is most effective against heavily fortified british lines. More importantly, armour can act as mobile support gun for infantry attacks, or hold off the high ground. Jap even managed to squeeze their armour force through the dense SE Asia forestation and give a pleasant surprise fopr our Ang Mo commander.
3) Communication, Logisitic and Standardization
Weapons and training of the field troops must be standardize to every basic step of fighting. The troopers and commanders must speak and understand a common language. The communication btw the troops and commanders must be free and open at all time in the war, so that the commanders could make the best decision and the troopers could minimise the causalities in the conflicts.
Allied divisions and different army grouos should have standardised equipments and training to impove on inter-operateability and synergised - combined armed division concept or Air - Land warfare concept.
4) Nation identity buiding
In WW2, only a fraction of allied troops fighting are locals. Thus, the allied troops are not fighting as bravely as many expected. But the Chinese Vol and malay regiments were much more brave and delicated compare to their ang mo peers. Of course, Aust unit had fought very bravely to the bitter end as well. If the local british commander is determined to fight a Iraqi style of urban war with Jap, the out come for the Invasion of Malaya would be entirely different. At least, the Jap with limited supplies and exhausted troops would be seriously challenged by the numerically superior Allied troops in street fighting. The Jap armour, airforce and navy advantages would be useless in close combant in build-up area.
Maybe with luck, British carriers, that stopped in India for modification, could be deployed against the jap in conjunction with the Allied Fleets in SE Asia. -
Things to note though:
Jap tanks were small. they wont be more then the size of half tracks then the likes of the Pzkwfg 3,4 or 5.
Heck they looked more like the CharB and them Skoda's then anything else hah.
Actually it was the rapid speed of movement by the japs via the use of canoes and bikes that stunned the brits more then the tanks. The brits kept having their lines turned by japs on bikes and canoes moving so rapidly they could hardly retreat in time.
The Ang Moh troops were mainly british,Aust and Nz troops. And truth be told they performed way way way better then most of the allied troops. In fact other then certain Malay regiments and Chinese regiments, the rest of the volunteers performed pretty damn badly if i recall correctly.
The British SEA commander should have been more insistant in implementing orders to the Singapore garrison commander then he was. Considering that the guy in charge of the Singapore garrison was rather indecieve.
I honestly think street fighting with the japs would be bad. REALLY REALLY bad. Why? Imagine this, you ambush and kill a Jap patrol, they move in and kill a village. 10 japs for 30 civs. Some of which will be your family. Would you want that?
We're not talking about people who bloody care like the western troops whom these tactics are being used againest. Heck some SS units were better then these guys.
Tell me, do you really want to take the japs on in street fighting??
The British Carriers if i'm not wrong did deploy later for coral sea. But they were pretty small carriers anyway. -
While it is true that the Jap airforce were unchallenged throughout nearly the whole campaign, did the Jap airpower play such a critical role during the ground war?Originally posted by archon1234:That is why from WW2 lessons, we can summarise few points:
1) Air force very very important.
Jap planes are unchallenged after 24 hours of the 1st air raid. They bomb the hell out of british command. -
the costal hook is a precarious sitaution to be in...we don have a navy and airforce for show onliOriginally posted by tvdog:Why northern shores?
They can "coastal hook" us in the West in Jurong with amphibious and airborne assault supported by their navy for example.
In fact, they can open up several other fronts besides the north.
Thanks heavens they are still too weak to really threaten us. so north lor...shortest route in...low lvl surprise commando\airborne drop into one of our northern airbases to secure a supply route as well as disrupt our airforce operations... -
the sinking of the prince of wales and repulse, the opening salvoes on singapore at the start of their pacific campaign, the pin-point strafing\bombing on singapore... y not?Originally posted by tvdog:While it is true that the Jap airforce were unchallenged throughout nearly the whole campaign, did the Jap airpower play such a critical role during the ground war?