Malaysia Army
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Thanks,its heartening to know that we will not be fighting by race, but by nationality. Singaporeans now, Singaporeans forever! hooyah!
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Maybe some Malaysian spies are crying now because they know that our malays here have no hassle over killing Malaysian Malays.
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Ha! With the way they slack over there in Malaysia government organizations (including army and police), I wouldn't worry about a thing if I was a Singaporean. I'm from Malaysia btw so I know first hand of the slacking attitude of the government workers. -
ACtually i trust our Singaporean Malays quite a fair bit. I am glad to hear that from two malay guys here. Anyway in Singapore, althought racism still exists i am glad to say that it is kept to the bare minimum. Let us Singaporeans work together for the safety of our country and the region.
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wow .....
scratch my back and tickle my balls ! ....
reading the above posts really warms my heart ... -
Still, there are bound to be some Malays who don't think the same way.Originally posted by sgdiehard:with your remarks and that of death_burger, glad to know that our national unity reach the level of maturity.
And there are bound to be others who don't trust us to do the right thing.
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Actually I am all for true meritocracy in all aspects of the country most notably SAF. We must acknowledge the fact that racial discrimmination do exist in the SAF just like in all other levels of the country. However, it is very heartening to know that this exist at a very low level. In fact we have one of the best racially harmonious society in the world for racially diversified countries. I hope that SAF will give our Malay brothers more chances to go to certain units/formations. Maybe not immediately but speed up the process as it is already happening.
Ok, from all the posts above we can safely say that we can trust our Malay brothers to fight with us against other malays during war. They have no problem with race during a national crisis. However, what about religion? Will our muslim brothers have problems squeezing the trigger with a fellow muslim in the crosshair? If we can overcome these racial and religious differences and be united in Singapore, then we will be formidable! Unity is strength! Hope to hear views and comments from different races and religion.
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for SG , at the very most might be job selection/sensitive areas in SAF when it comes to discrimination.
In USA , whether you survive or not depends on your skin colour. -
Hey, personally, I have no problems serving my country and killing my so called 'muslim brothers' in the process. Our forefathers built this nation from nothing, and if anyone threatens to cripple our country, I think ALL of us will have no problems in dealing with these aggressors, regardless of race or religion. Whoever messes with my country is messing with me even if u're a muslim. I'm confident the muslims in s'pore agrees with me. All my muslim friends agree with my opinion, and we have yet to serve national service!!
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Haha me too i've yet to serve, but when are you going in? Very glad to hear things like this. Singapore needs more men like us to defend our home. Majulah Singapura!Originally posted by death_burger:Hey, personally, I have no problems serving my country and killing my so called 'muslim brothers' in the process. Our forefathers built this nation from nothing, and if anyone threatens to cripple our country, I think ALL of us will have no problems in dealing with these aggressors, regardless of race or religion. Whoever messes with my country is messing with me even if u're a muslim. I'm confident the muslims in s'pore agrees with me. All my muslim friends agree with my opinion, and we have yet to serve national service!! -
GOOD!!
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Based on the ongoing incidents in South East Asia, I doubt we will really go to war with malaysia because of trivial matters like water or a small island called Pedro Branca; unless some random acts of madness occurs.
As a matter of fact, I hate to see our country fighting malaysia. I believe I am not the only singaporean who has relatives in Malaysia and vice versa. They need us as much as we need them. Without them, there would be no Singapore and without Singapore, I doubt the standard of living of JB is like what it is today. -
I am not a good economics student.
Can you exlpain how has SG improved the standard of living in JB? -
I suppose fartboystinks meant that consumerism of Singaporeans added to the growth of JB which caused their income to increase.
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I hate to see war happening between sg and m'sia... we have to work together since we are the ones who determine SEA's economy...But if the need to fight arises, I know many sg malays and chinese will understand. but who knows our greater enemy maybe not be our northern friend
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I'm only a first year student in a polytechnicOriginally posted by storm_freaky13:Haha me too i've yet to serve, but when are you going in? Very glad to hear things like this. Singapore needs more men like us to defend our home. Majulah Singapura! -
me 2nd year =) I really hope we do not go to war with malaysia.. In fact i think we should work together with our neighbouring countries for the safety of South East Asia.Originally posted by death_burger:I'm only a first year student in a polytechnic -
don't think any singaporean or the garbement wants to go to war with malaysia or anybody. It is important to note that water is a matter of survival for singapore and is not trivial.Originally posted by fartboystinks:Based on the ongoing incidents in South East Asia, I doubt we will really go to war with malaysia because of trivial matters like water or a small island called Pedro Branca; unless some random acts of madness occurs.
As a matter of fact, I hate to see our country fighting malaysia. I believe I am not the only singaporean who has relatives in Malaysia and vice versa. They need us as much as we need them. Without them, there would be no Singapore and without Singapore, I doubt the standard of living of JB is like what it is today.
The singaporean tourists is the most important income for jb, may be not johore as a state, but I don't understand why you said without malaysia there would be no singapore. singapore will survive, with or without malaysia. we used to have the growth triangle, involving singapore, jb and bataam but jb chose to compete with singapore instead of working together.
They had rules that literally forced local manufacturers to use ports at pelapas instead of singapore. It was the arrogance of some stupid heads in PSA that enable them to win over two major PSA clients to pelapas.
We will have to compete, we will work for peace, but we have to be prepared to handle random acts of madness, which occurred several times in the past. -
True, fighting with Malaysia will be really sad cos we are really one people. We eat the same food and it's very hard to even tell the difference between the Singlish that we speak and the "Malaysia-glish" that they speak. This is especially true when you are in a foreign country and you hear someone speaking like us. But upon a friendly enquiry "Singaporeans is it?" they might proudly announce "No, Malaysians lah."Originally posted by fartboystinks:Based on the ongoing incidents in South East Asia, I doubt we will really go to war with malaysia because of trivial matters like water or a small island called Pedro Branca; unless some random acts of madness occurs.
As a matter of fact, I hate to see our country fighting malaysia. I believe I am not the only singaporean who has relatives in Malaysia and vice versa. They need us as much as we need them. Without them, there would be no Singapore and without Singapore, I doubt the standard of living of JB is like what it is today.
But still, war with Malaysia remains very possible. I'm sure no one fails to notice that nearly ALL wars are fought between neighbouring countries. I mean you have to be near enough to wallop each other, right? Of course there are exceptional cases like US-Iraq Gulf War. Otherwise, it is always neighbour on neighbour.
Even in WW2, Germany and Japan first started the nonsense with their neighbours.
Malaysia doesn't buy a single Singapore-manufactured weapon or ordnance to my knowledge. Or maybe Singapore doesn't offer to sell weapons and ammo to Malaysia. Anyone knows why?
Whereas Indonesia, Philippines and Burma have all purchased ST goodies. I think this is a sign that Malaysia - maybe to a very small extent - does prepare for war with Singapore. Or maybe it's just pride on the Malaysian side. -
It is pride and image, how could they display a weapons made in SG where they themselves have no indigeous weapons at all!!!
Anyway as you said, SG have sold weapons to practically all the core ASEAN members, so far I have gathered are as follow:
Thailand:
M-16 rifles.
3 Prabrarapak class FACs
SAR-80s rifles.
Bofor 40mm L/70
CIS 40mm AGL
Philippines:
Ultimax100 SAW
Armbrust LAW
CIS 40mmAGL
2 Blue Horizon UAV
Indonesia:
Ultimax100 SAW
CIS 40mmAGL
CIS 50HMG
In 1997 ,4~5 FH-88s
Upgraded AMX-13s to SM1 standard.
Brunei:
3 Waspada class FACs
300 Armbrust LAW
As you see, most of our neighbours bought weapons from us, I think they dun see us as a threat or strategic reason.
One thing, Brunei is pretty close to us, we practically help them to build up their armed forces, so is there more SG made weapons in Brunei?? -
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• Did Malaysia opt not to buy,
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• Did SG opt not to sell? -
Both, I'd say.Originally posted by tvdog:The question is:
• Did Malaysia opt not to buy,
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• Did SG opt not to sell? -
and yea, there's a third question i feel tat is unanswered..?Originally posted by fudgester:Both, I'd say.
*is there any external pressures that steered relations to wad they are now?*
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We shouldn't think along the lines of "we'll definitely beat Malaysia in the event of a war". Some singaproeans are way too arrogant.
I do believe that we are militarily stronger than them, but the margin isn't much. Over the past 15 years, on average our defence budget is like 1.5 to 1.67 times that of Malaysia's.
From this figure, it is not hard to see that Singapore's superiority is minor, not that huge. Although we may be more efficient than them in using money, that still does not give us much of an edge.
If you look at the number of tanks we have as compared to say Taiwan or Yugoslavia, we are not really that good. There are many countries in the world that are ahead of us.
So overall, we are indeed stronger than Malaysia, but the difference is a small one, such that it is not sufficient to ensure military success in the event war breaks out. -
Apparently Brunei is evaluating the Bionix 25 IFV and Bronco ATTC, intending to acquire a small number of each to supplement their small armoured force.Originally posted by gary1910:It is pride and image, how could they display a weapons made in SG where they themselves have no indigeous weapons at all!!!
Anyway as you said, SG have sold weapons to practically all the core ASEAN members, so far I have gathered are as follow:
Thailand:
M-16 rifles.
3 Prabrarapak class FACs
SAR-80s rifles.
Bofor 40mm L/70
CIS 40mm AGL
Philippines:
Ultimax100 SAW
Armbrust LAW
CIS 40mmAGL
2 Blue Horizon UAV
Indonesia:
Ultimax100 SAW
CIS 40mmAGL
CIS 50HMG
In 1997 ,4~5 FH-88s
Upgraded AMX-13s to SM1 standard.
Brunei:
3 Waspada class FACs
300 Armbrust LAW
As you see, most of our neighbours bought weapons from us, I think they dun see us as a threat or strategic reason.
One thing, Brunei is pretty close to us, we practically help them to build up their armed forces, so is there more SG made weapons in Brunei??
They have also showed interest in similar weapons that Singapore purchases from other countries... Eg Consulted Singapore regarding a possible AH-64D Attack Helo purchase (4 - 6 units) from the United States.