A10 Thunderbolt 2 or AH-64D Apache Longbow
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A64 anytime.
love to see them circling the skies of singapore during training.
A10 also shiok to look at when they move in for the kill, In singapore after F16 and F15, not many places can land planes.
somehow i think we missed those can do vertical and horizontal take off fighters.
since we shortage of runway.
if have, can put one onto one of the top buildngs and camouflage them from google earth.
any crisis, immediate they can take off from 70 storeys. knock off a 30 seconds of repsonse time. -
I would not choose but rather, use both together. One thing to note would be the warthog's slow speed which enables both tank-killers to co-ordinate their movements together. When used in conjunction, like the Gulf War, they make a deadly pair for ground forces, especially in the beginning of the war.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Just makin a comparison between the A10 Thunderbolt Warthog aircraft and AH-64D Apache attack chopper, since both are reowned for being highly efficient in the anti-tank role.
Basically the 7 barrel GAU-8/A 30mm Gatling gun of the A10 Thunderbolt 2 is able to fire armour piercing incendiary ammunition at the rate of 3900 rounds per minute and is able to carry a wide-range of munitions like the Maverick ATGM,laser-guided munitions, sidewinder air-to-air misslie and various other weapons. Its virtue is that it is able to loiter above the battlefield and take out any enemy tanks or bunkers with great precision.
The AH64D Apache Longbow on the other-hand features the super long-range Longbow radar system which enables it to share data of the targets via a secure data-link with other Apaches in the strike group. Armaments include 30MM M230 chain gun and Hydra 70 (2.75 inch) rockets and the tank-busting Hellfire ATGM.
So which would you vote as a capable anti-tank platform and your personal opinion as both the A10 Thunderbolt II and the AH-64D Apache since both are highly successful anti-tank platforms. -
have u seen a A4 taking off from raffles tower in the simsOriginally posted by AF2005:A64 anytime.
love to see them circling the skies of singapore during training.
A10 also shiok to look at when they move in for the kill, In singapore after F16 and F15, not many places can land planes.
somehow i think we missed those can do vertical and horizontal take off fighters.
since we shortage of runway.
if have, can put one onto one of the top buildngs and camouflage them from google earth.
any crisis, immediate they can take off from 70 storeys. knock off a 30 seconds of repsonse time.
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But the Hydras on the AH64 can take out tanks mehz? If you sae jeeps,IFVs i belief lahz...but tanks...i seriously doubt so.
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Im sure the hydra can kill tanks if it is nuclear tipped.
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The hydras can carry different type of payloads. Eg. ICMs, or just the normal HE warheads. Taking out tanks, I don't think so. Why use hydras for tanks when u have hellfires?
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hyra rockets is for armour piercing......and each there are 16 tubes altogether
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hellfire is wire guidedOriginally posted by BeEtHoVeN:if i am not wrong, hellfire missile is a fire-and-forget missile. for stratfing runs, hydra 70mm rockets are used. -
Laser or infrared. TOW is wireOriginally posted by c0ol_blu3z:hellfire is wire guided -
IIRC, there was a project by BAE to arm the Apaches with Stingers or AIM9X for limited A2A defense.
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hahaOriginally posted by martin_lim85:have u seen a A4 taking off from raffles tower in the sims 
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Those who have never seen a Hydra rocket explosion through video please don't talk much.
There was once a patrick aviation video , had an Israeli Cobra helicopter firing 1 hydra rocket at a truck.
Can tell you that the explosion is more then enough to destroy 3 PT-91 grouped together. -
Our AH-64 D will never fall as bait for Malaysian AA missiles , F-16 will
fly close to the ground , followed by using HARM missiles on the air defense.
PT-91 tanks are useless as far as i know. -
i see how true is tat when a PT-91 levels it 120mm gun at your hide, asswart..Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Our AH-64 D will never fall as bait for Malaysian AA missiles , F-16 will
fly close to the ground , followed by using HARM missiles on the air defense.
PT-91 tanks are useless as far as i know.
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It will never reach Singapore.Originally posted by Lance_han:i see how true is tat when a PT-91 levels it 120mm gun at your hide, asswart..
im serious
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It would have already been spotted by our border patrol.
or even if it swims over , at 10-12 km/hour.
The amount of noise and the size of it already will alert our SPIKE/MILAN guys. -
Its not that I'm saying the Hydras are unable to penetrate the armour of a MBT or any light tanks. But I do have my reservations about it. As being fired at a tank and a truck/jeep is totally diff. from firing at a tank.
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Hellfire's also comes in different flavors.
There are infra-red guided ones, (i think), laser guided ones, and radar guided ones. Of which, the radar guided ones is most favored cos of the longbow radar. In urban context, 1 apache d with longbow, can peep over a building with its radar, paint and designate for a 2nd apache w/o longbow to launch.
As for the hydra question. Even if it doesn't kill the tank, it can still pop a track. A popped track is as good as a dead tank. -
The recent performance of the Apaches in Iraq seems to suggest that attack copters might not perform 100% as per promise....
Which is why the US cancelled the RAH-66 Comache also. -
I would say that is due to the terrain more than the abilities of the chopper itself.The choppers need visibility and terrain to hide..and I think the jungle environment may be quite alright for our Apaches.Originally posted by spencer99:The recent performance of the Apaches in Iraq seems to suggest that attack copters might not perform 100% as per promise....
Which is why the US cancelled the RAH-66 Comache also. -
u willing to bet your puny hide on tat, jackass?Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:It will never reach Singapore.
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HARMs are useless against shoulder fired MANPADS...Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Our AH-64 D will never fall as bait for Malaysian AA missiles , F-16 will
fly close to the ground , followed by using HARM missiles on the air defense.
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But Manpads are useless against targets at medium altitudes.
The commanche was cancelled not because it was useless. But that the US DOD felt that there was no need for it due to the development of UCAVs. Why send an expensive stealth helicopter, and its crew into harm's way when u can just send a couple of UCAV's armed with Hellfires?
As for the US Army's Other requirement; the useage of Attack Helos as a Calvary force, the current Apache D does the job well already. With the support of Longbow equipped Apaches, there really isn't a need for an expensive stealth helicopter that isn't really stealthed when its carrying the payload the Apache carries.
Btw, Manpads probably get their targetting info from surveillance radars too. U take those out (with HARMs) , the manpads will have a longer reaction time.
Btw, the callsign for HARMs is "Magnum" is that correct? I'm a bit out of date on that. -
Yep, seems that MANPADS are the biggest threats to all sorts of choppers. But seriously speaking, I would choose the A-10 due to its ability to loiter above the battlefield,its slow speed,its huge payload and its nut-bustin Avenger gun.
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Well, I guess its really 2 different roles of 2 highly capable tank busters.
The A-10 is really well suited for its role of Close Air Support, staying on Station, raining Mavericks, Cluster bombs and 30mm DU rounds from above.
But when u really need to plug a gap, slow down an advancing armored column, ambushes. Zip to the where the enemy is, loose more than a dozen hellfires on the vehicles while hovering behind a mound, or even below tree top level. Not much u can do unless u've got some air support to flush the choppers out.
Even so, apache's can be armed with Sidewinders... JUST IN CASE. =D